kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 136 

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: word on Kason/KRN??

At 05:10 PM 9/6/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Wondered if there was any word on KRN/Dr.Kason.  I posted email to SEN,
>but have heard nothing; I tried to visit what apparently *was* the KRN
>website, but the URL is apparently out of date.  Or something. 

its probably just overloaded (grin).

>Dan was going to check this out--

yep, i see dr. kason on sept 27, but will be faxing her monday on this request.

>Just wondering!  I'm very curious...
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me, i've been busy with nightly STEPs (for those of you in the know). ugh...
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Fri,  6 Sep 96 
From: tseewATNOSPAMservtech.com
Subject: RE: word on Kason/KRN?? 
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Juliet,

KRN home page:

http://www.vitalenergy.com/krn/

Not much there; looks like you have to snail mail for more info.

-Tim
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>Wondered if there was any word on KRN/Dr.Kason.  I posted email to SEN,
>but have heard nothing; I tried to visit what apparently *was* the KRN
>website, but the URL is apparently out of date.  Or something. 
>
>Dan was going to check this out--
>
>Just wondering!  I'm very curious...
>
>Juliet
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Only through experience can one know

Here we get into semantics, don't we? But, to put it as clear as possible
when the self is absorbed into Divine Will, the consciousness of duality is
eliminated. Instead of there being two things happening within the movement,
there is one... only movement as doing with no thought connected to the
action. It used to be that this IAmNess was spoke as being, but even more
accurate then being is doing, because life is movement, and when the creator
is at work within its creation, all there is... is movement. Here the knowner
and the known are the same, let's say it another way. There is only effect,
no cause when there the self has finished the process of death. Where there
is no thought, there is only action. The purpose of meditation is to move
into the no-thought state, however, it is through directly meeting the Christ
face to face that the self is burned out, once this happens everything
changes because of the illusion of the self is totally exposed. Then there is
only the extreme heat, light, power of the Christ left to carry on. Does this
speak to your heart? Gloria 



Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: crying, k, ears, etc

well i've just noticed that this happens a lot. and i dismissed it as part
of the process... silly me...

tonight after i recover from my current experience which seems to make my k
starting 6 weeks ago look like a sunday picnic  perhaps I'll figure
out what the pressure in the ears is all about.

half of me feels hot, the other cool, yin and yang again? oh well...
Dan.
There are always possibilities...

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: ori^ 
Subject: Head pressure [was: question on awakening]

Hello ,
I haven't taken a course such as you describe, but the meditative
state including pressure on the head-- I have experienced.

At 03:16 PM 9/5/96 -0500, wrote:
>In the exercises one always has to be in an alpha or light meditative state.
>I have not had much experience with meditation until these exercises.  It
>seems that whenever I enter this state, I become almost "dizzy".  Things
>seem to be a bit off kilter and I have a hard time maintaining balance.
>There also seems to be an added pressure on my head.

When the energy was first beginning to move in me, I was involved in
meditations online with one or more people.  As the energy rose... I
would experience a certain amount of lightheadedness... although staying
connected with others in the meditation often helped to rebalance it.

During the most intense of times I did experience the pressure in my
head and almost a blurring of vision... often only looking through one
eye.  I even came close a couple times to blacking out, or falling out
of my chair.  This generally was accompanied by energy flowing through 
my palms and soles of my feet, often with a burning sensation.

A multidimensional healer I know suggested I breathe :)  
This is often a good idea while we are still in the body :)
Breathing and focusing on opening the head chakra... relaxing
a bit... seemed to help the energy to flow more freely.
I also found it helpful to have water nearby.  Either to drink,
or to splash on my face or arms.  For me, water is a very soothing
element which seemed to help me to stay connected with my body.

Additionally... beginning the meditation in a grounded state really
seemed to enhance the flow.

Hope this helps a bit,
ori^


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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: Timeless Moments

                                     Excerpts From
                                " The Healing Spirit"

                              By :  Enid  Vien
                              ISBN  O- 9648 330-0-X
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     Many of us are familiar with those timeless moments in eternity.
     Where the world stops and we simply are the reality into which
     we have slipped with the thinning of the veil of illusion.
     These moments have been given different signifacance's by
     different people and different cultures.
     One thing remains constant, if you have had such a revelation,
     Life is never quite the same.
     You view it differently.

     Enid Vien
     



Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: crying, k, ears, etc

Dan,
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I see you metaphorically hunched over with your hands covering your ears, in
a lot of emotional pain.

What is it that you don't want to hear?

When you decide to "hear" it with more love & acceptance than fear, I feel
the pressure in your ears may go away.

I feel the hot & cold feeling is contrary beliefs of your inner selves - you
are really trying to come to some common ground, where they can all work
together instead of seperately, against each other.

Wishes for a quick emergence of this phase (-: ,    Barb



Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: crying, k, ears, etc
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At 09:11 AM 9/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Dan,
>
>I see you metaphorically hunched over with your hands covering your ears, in
>a lot of emotional pain.

yeah, well, you know...  actually what i just typed seemed almost
hillarious to me at this moment. 

>What is it that you don't want to hear?

oh that, no biggy. (understatement). just the usual. you know, the stuff you
know and realize but wont admit to your "whole" self, i mean, REALLY admit,
accept, whatever.

>When you decide to "hear" it with more love & acceptance than fear, I feel
>the pressure in your ears may go away.

part of me humorously wants to say "what if I DONT want to hear it?" but I
know better. and fear is a difficult beastie to deal with, to say the least.

>I feel the hot & cold feeling is contrary beliefs of your inner selves - you
>are really trying to come to some common ground, where they can all work
>together instead of seperately, against each other.

hey, looking back up to previous comments here, I'd say you're right. You
see, I haven't fully integrated myself err my self yet. the spiritual is
still in process of intregration, and we have the polarization of the
spiritual with the rest. it seems to me that whether this integration can be
successful or not, remains to be seen... err felt... err... whatever...

>Wishes for a quick emergence of this phase (-: ,    Barb

gaaah... funny you should mention emergence. I'm inclined to ask "which one
are you referring to?". it seems every day or two I have an "emergence", a
transformation, a further integration.

i thought that was bad until last night. boy was i wrong...

check out my "emergence" post (should be just after this one), it'd be
interesting to see what you get, with such clear things as above.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Emergence
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Well I don't know how many others out there are going through this. You
could say that the emergence starts with the k, or perhaps before. I am
talking of a spiritual emergence, and all that entails.

perhaps some part of this is the integration of the spiritual with the rest,
and perhaps sometimes there is a polarization that occurs. this happens in
my case. Yes, I say that in plural, happenS, and for a good reason.

Not to say that all of you will have this, or many, that i do not know,
we're all different. but anyhow...

looking back now and refocusing, I can see the k started much before when I
thought it had. I figured it was about a two week period, but there are
telltale signs (small ones) that pop up if you look carefully, and without
reservation.

I will say that two week period before my k was filled with transformative
process, and "emergences", and of course integration.

It's been about 6-7 weeks since my k, and i thought i was finally settled,
things had smoothed out, and i could "just enjoy the ride" so to speak.

boy was I wrong...

last night I decided to check out the KRN web page, and just before actually
doing this I had an experience which challenges my k experience for "top
spot", or certainly gives it a run for it's money anyhow, if you know what I
mean. I was just sitting here reading the list, just left my email, ate,
then "whomp!" (the only way I can describe it), I was hit (like with a
sledgehammer) over top of me, with a whack of white energy which came down
suddenly and instantly, covered me down to just below my shoulders. it felt
like someone driving a stake into the ground, only the stake was me.

every night for the last two months I've had transformational process, and
every day 1 or 2 transformational episodes as well. and fairly constant
integration. it sort of seems the literature I've read can hardly begin to
explain my process. it feels as if the k came and the process went into
overdrive and it's excellerating faster each day, exponentially.

I used to think waking up a "different person" each day was ok, i got used
to it. but recently, I've COMPLETELY lost track of my self. I had a vision
today (thanks Barb), of myself standing in this gigantic massive confusing
structure, completely unable to make sense of it, wandering around
hopelessly, exploring, but stil the fear because it changed rapidly on a
constant basis. i felt a desperate plea for a "you are here" sign, but there
wasnt one. for a moment i gave up. literally. and the crying started again.

now, somewhat past that episode, there is some sense of inner peace, and
again i am exploring, still lost, but somehow, still knowing this is leading
someplace.

it guess its hard because this is a constant process, and continuing, all
the literature talking of "temporary" processes seems to go out the window.
and parts of me wish it just to be overwith so i can get on with things.

trying to steer my own course, i wish now for peace, calm, and happiness in
my life. i only wish i had a loving partner (wife i guess) or someone
special for comfort, which is something i'd give anything (almost) for at
this point.
-
Well i guess it's just "my turn" for this.  and no matter what, I have
no choice but to live with it. 

How will i deal with it, well perhaps some of you will mail or reply, and
other than that i'll have to have a chat with Dr. Kason again, and some
other spiritualists. soon.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...

-

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: "Rondi McBoyer" 
Subject: Spirits?

Not too long ago , someone on the list wrote about realizing that what you
think is your mind thinking, or imagining things, may actually be spirits
telling you things. I hope I have put this  into the right words, I need to
talk( write) to that person more.
I didn't realize that was what was going on, but when i started to realize
this, I swear I heard someone sigh and laugh...I hope I'm not just going
nuts.. Please write.
Rondi



Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Carol, night group
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Gloria,

Thank you for the Carol connection yet again.  I am still battling my body.
Got strep a few weeks ago and am fuctioning but still feel weak. Returning
to work after a 2 month vacation has been a shock.

Re: night time group.  It seems that I agreed to do some work at night about
a year ago and I feel like that is and has been happening already.  Whoever,
whatever I made this agreement with might see joining this new group as a
conflict. It sounds crazy but I think I have a previous engagement!  I bless
you and the group nonetheless.  Thanks for the invite and everything else.

M 


At 12:37 PM 9/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Mary, Carol lost your e-mail address so I'm sending to her again. How are
>you?  I don't think we have talked for a while but there are several on the
>list who are working on becoming unifed through  a soul group working during
>sleeping hours. Let me know if this is something coming to you. Gloria
>
>



Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: re: Kundalini gone awry

Thanks Karol Ann and everyone else for resonding to my questions about 
the kibitzing-spirit advice that I received about telling my mother to 
use echinacea for her chronic neuralgic type pain (including the 
discomfort in the head chakra - fontanelle area).

This morning I received a phone call from my mother. I had sent her a 
letter telling her about the advice, a belated birthday card, and a 
bottle of echinacea. I had not heard from her since I did that last 
month and thought perhaps that she had just received the package, read 
the letter, shook her head over her son getting odd in his old age and 
then ignored the advice. To the contrary, the moment I heard her voice 
on the phone I could SEE her as if we were vis-a-vis. She veritably 
GLOWED with a vibrancy I had not heard from her in YEARS. Her words 
came clearly, without hesitation, she was upbeat, jovial and LAUGHED 
heartily and repeatedly during our phone conversation. Often in the 
past, she has become so confused and weak that she has put the phone 
down and left to go lay down and my father has had to finish the 
conversation! She has started taking the echinacea after checking with 
her doctor and chiropractor who just shrugged their shoulders and 
offered no damning reason not to take the stuff. She says she is doing 
much better in this short of a time. I suspect that she doesn't have a 
great amount of time left, but she will spend it with a better quality 
of life. I don't know if the echinacea actually helps or simply that a 
concerned son thought enough to offer it as a possible remedy. The only 
thing that matters is the effect, the result. What the world needs is a 
suite of REALLY effective placebos. I work in the pharmaceutical field 
and see the scientific community struggle to separate out the 
'placebo-effect' from medical efficacy in their drug trials. In all of 
medicine, there are few drugs that are as effective as a placebo - 
ain't that odd   =-)   remember, the shaman dancing, chanting, and 
dispensing his powders is really a living placebo - and do they work? 
Yes, sometimes and so do doctors... sometimes!!!
LOVE DAN



Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: dizzy, lite headness, etc.

I am still listening to Carolyn Myss' Energy Anatomy tapes.  She says about
enlightment that one becomes more energy than matter.  Suspicions confirmed
department for me. Does this help anyone else explain their symptoms?

 Along these lines also:  I once had a dream (?) in which I agreed to allow
holes to be put in my head.  My head problems (sinus, ears) began shortly after.

Mary


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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Spirits?

Its true spirits are around, but I remind you that they are not always of
light, that is why we test them. All to often people assume because a spirit
is around that it is a good influence, that couldn't be farther from the
truth. Would you think just because a stranger came to your door that the
person is automatically one that you would take advise from. Much the same.
Gloria



Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Spirits?

"We are spirits in the material world!". I'm sorry, couldn't resist. Don't
know much about spirits existing beyond our comprehension, but I've heard
that if one is not careful and I mean the care of a pro, things like
astro-projection and even tantra can leave room for an invading spirit to
occupy a person. Now I know nothing about astro-projection and tantra, so
what I've written may be nonsense, but I think as human beings we can be
possesed by the darker side of ourselves. I also think that sometimes when
we dream, we can have access to some form of contact to others or a higher
power. But again, some dreams are just dreams. I think o matter how good
or bad they maybe, they are helpful because usually it means we are
working something out within ourselves or it could possibly shed light to
conscious and unconscious aspects of our personality and our surroundings
and situation. Eitherway, what's most important is we work upon ourselves
to make the world a better place. Then perhaps fears of bad spirits and
stuff would disappear and we could all enjoy peace of mind and spirit.

Mark