kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 134
1 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996
From: DUANE YOUNG
Subject: RE: Direct Experience
I was beginning to think that I was a lone soul in my approach. Now I
see that there is at least one more! I had a couple of intense
experiences with "kundalini", at least that's a word that would be most
consistent with my experience. But my experience is also so different
in many ways, so it's clear to me that to call it anything is to limit
what it truly is. I've skimmed a few books on the subject and all seem
to present themselves as if one can define and isolate this "thing" that
we call "kundalini". So what is it? A collection of symptoms?
Including what one could call mental symptoms, and many have? Or is it
just another belief system that we use to get us from one point to
another?
I find that what I believe in becomes real. I also find myself
realizing that I am using my beliefs to get me where I want to be and
then I drop the belief. For those who meditate, I breathe into my
chakras occasionally. That seems to give me a greater frequency of OBEs
(which is just another attempt to package experience). But I find that
the greatest tool that I have is my own desire and intent. With those I
can achieve whatever I choose. I fully "believe" this.
I'd like to make one more point related to Howard's comments. It seems
to me that nothing is ever known. Even when we feel that our experience
has created a known for us, we create from that experience a belief
which we feel strongly about and then call a known. So a known is only
an experienced belief. So what is there to know? Nothing really. But
it seems then that we can learn how to experience more fully and with
the joy of our own creativity.
So really, whatever anyone wishes to believe is up to them. If it
works, then use it. It's just nice to hear someone else say some of the
things that I feel all the time.
Thanks Howard,
Duane
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>From: HowardCushATNOSPAMaol.com[SMTP:HowardCushATNOSPAMaol.com]
>
>It is true, as someone wrote here recently, that no one knows anything for
>sure about Kundalini. It doesn't matter if the ideas are in thousand year
>old books or a recent magazine -- they are just words. And at best they are
>just guideposts.
>
>In my experience, the only thing I can count on, and trust, is direct
>experience. What is happening to me? What is going on? The books and
>concepts help to give me a context, to let me know I am not alone or insane,
>but as soon as they begin to prescribe "shoulds" of any kind, it's time for a
>huge grain of salt.
>
>I've been taught that there is no substitute for this simple suggestion --
>pay attention. When I pay attention to my direct experience, full open
>non-directed attention, at the very least there is movement.
>
2 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996
From: nannuATNOSPAMsuncoastonline.com
Subject: Only thru experience can one...know...
[In response to Gloria, re; 'K' and emotions,etc];
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Kundalini DOES give one access to their higher self, whether there be duality
or not. K is INTELIGENT, and when activated, AUTOMATICLY joins the two aspects
together. To activate K is to speed up a naturally occurring evolutionary
process. It increase the flow of energy to the entire being, which causes the
being to function at a higher level. It is at this higher level that one
becomes more 'aware'. Spirituality was built into our systems from the get go
and becomes more pronounced thru the activation of K. The increased flow of
energy causes the receptors in the being to operate more efficiently, thereby
expanding it's field of 'awareness'. Add more ram to your computer, and it
will operate better, faster, and have the ability to do more. The fastest way
to purposely activate K is thru 'self fertilization', whereby you take the
energy you would use for procreation, and turn it inwards. In this 'union', the
dual energys, [male/female, up/down, big/small, love/hate, etc.] unite into
one energy. Now unified, one becomes whole and complete, and 'awakens' to ones
true nature, which now 'sees' beyond duality, and becomes one with the 'all'
One becomes 'enlightened'
"I am the father, of the son whom I give
birth to, ...which is me"
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3 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Between Lives
You wrote:
What I was wondering is, does anyone ever remember what goes on between
lives ?
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For the Tibetan point of view, check out the Bardo Thodol (The Tibetan
Book of the Dead). Those who prefer to keep sex and K as separate
subjects are warned to steer clear of the GRAPHIC descriptions
contained therein.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Recently for some unknown reason, people are wanting to touch me. I go
into the supermarket ... complete strangers will ... put their hand on
my shoulder or ask me where to find Bologna or radish's or something.
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I have been getting this stuff a lot also and have been trying to
figure out what explanation there could be. Have you noticed anything
different about your skin or complexion? I find my wife standing next
to me and rubbing my arm or hand until I say, "What the heck are you
doing?". She tells me that my skin has become incredibly soft to touch
and that she just likes the sensations she gets from 'petting' me. I
don't have any speculation about the touching thing, but as far as
people coming up to us... I think the k-awakening has made us more
'attractive' on a very simple level. I have this persistantly happy
feeling since my awakening and I am sure that it shows in my face and
mannerisms - logically, then, when people are in need of assistance
they would be 'attracted' to the friendly-looking, non-threatening,
kind of spacey guy standing over by the eggs admiring the nifty texture
on the grey paper cartons. Does that make sense? Of course it doesn't
explain why the last one that came up to me said, "I felt that I should
invite you to my church", told me the time and address and then
wandered back to her shopping cart shaking her head with a puzzled look
that implied that she had no idea why she had just done that.
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=-) DANananda
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4 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs"
Subject: Re: Between Lives
On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:
> You wrote:
> What I was wondering is, does anyone ever remember what goes on between
> lives ?
You wouldn't want to know
> people coming up to us... I think the k-awakening has made us more
> 'attractive' on a very simple level. I have this persistantly happy
> feeling since my awakening and I am sure that it shows in my face and
> mannerisms - logically, then, when people are in need of assistance
> they would be 'attracted' to the friendly-looking, non-threatening,
> kind of spacey guy standing over by the eggs admiring the nifty texture
> on the grey paper cartons. Does that make sense? Of course it doesn't
> explain why the last one that came up to me said, "I felt that I should
> invite you to my church", told me the time and address and then
> wandered back to her shopping cart shaking her head with a puzzled look
> that implied that she had no idea why she had just done that.
Dan,
You are bristling with energy and this is why people are attracted to
you. If you are in a good mood like you say you are, you will find people
attracted to you, based on the energy that you are putting off. If you
really want to see how the energy works, go to a store and be in a real
grumpy, hard to deal with mood and you will notice that you are repelling
people from you rather than attracting them.
Sometimes I did this with my wife, in that I would be nice, then get mad
at the smallest provocation, then back to nice and so on. This would
cause a rollercoaster effect and eventually she would say "Please stop
doing that to me". This is a good way to see how effective your energy is
affecting other people.When you have cultivated a high energy awareness
people subconsiously will be drawn to you or repelled based on your intent.
Respectfully
Al Perhacs
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6 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: Re: Science and Kundalini
Liked your remarks very much.
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I'm with you on "the greater the humility..." (re: received wisdom) but
I don't quite get "the greater the front." Would you say more? I
would also add that some of the most wonderful joy has been "getting"
something -- especially during a K wave -- that opens up the immensity
of my unknowing!
Holly
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8 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996
From: Juliet
Subject: Re: hello from Mike
Mike Parr wrote:
> >
I did a few months of astanga yoga
> > recently- it includes specific gaze points (e.g 3rd eye) and
> > also a gentle 'mula bandha' (perineum contraction). Things began
> > to happen!!
Great! Glad to hear there's another ashtangi here! I've just been
writing (the last few days--did you read these posts?) About the
interesting way in which the ashtaga series works directly with k. Keep
up the practice! Then, maybe we could compare notes--this practice is
so new in the west that I'm sure we would be breaking some new ground
with such a dialogue...
> > At the moment I'm working with a book from the Bihar School of
> > yoga, called 'Mula Bandha - the Master key'.
I had aol for a short while a few months ago (hated it--and then we got
a t-1 line at work, anyway) and exchanged a couple of messages with
someone in the uk about this book. Then I dropped aol. Are you that
person?? I wondered whatever happened to him...
Juliet
9 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996
From: "I.Juster"
Subject: RE: Direct Experience
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>To: DUANE YOUNG
>From: "I.Juster"
>
>I have been re-reading Seth- The Nature of Human Experience, and loving it,
some 25 years or so after this work was originally published.
>
>Seth says that we create our experience on the physical plane when we focus
our consciousness on a certain scenario -- we use the focus that was
"allowed to happpen" given our belief structure. He goes even further--even
our past and futures are created in the now. It all depends on our beliefs.
>
>As we "know", so shall we see.....or is it, as we sow, so shall we reap?
>
>We can therefore change our pasts, and our futures, which are existing
simultaneously along with uncountable other probable lives. We can change
them by changing our focus.
>
>We live in a world where nowadays there is a supermarket full of belief
systems. If we take any approach and truly work it, then we can anticipate
enjoying the results. Even radically different approaches could take us
towards similar ends, if we truly believed the path made sense.
>
>
>I think this is good news....and in many ways is what I believe too. The
only part I struggle with is, what would it take to move even more
powerfully in the directions I think I want to be heading? I wonder why I am
choosing at times to create the things in my life I would like to be
different. I am much more able to understand why I create the good stuff :->
>
->
>Love, Patti
>
10 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996
From: Juliet
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Science and Kundalini]
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HowardCushATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
>
> Science, as I understand it, is about what can be seen, quantified or
> measured. Which is why quantuum mechanics is so challenging -- things don't
> act in a clearly predictable way at that level.
I guess the reason I referred to them as "seers" in that post was to try
and suggest that we might locate their observation within the context of
scientific inquiry, that is: scientific observation. Without getting
too "out there" I think it's possible to consider that, in a group of
people with highly developed faculties, certain "subtle" observations
might be just that: observations. Just as we share a very commonplace
consensus about how we visually distinguish between red "stop" signs,
and green "go" signs (though ultimately the perception *is* subjective),
perhaps it's possible within a group of people with matured perception
to share the same commonplace consensus about the visual distinction
between, say, "ida" and "pingala."
>
> The Vedic seers may have had great truth and great discipline, but only my
> experience of their truth makes it meaningful to me. The post about this
> mentioned "nadis." This is a common term in yoga, but you can't see or point
> to them.
This is what I mean: Maybe they *could* see them and point to them...
if these faculties are just beginning to develop in people from our
culture it would be hard for us to imagine such perception being so
commonplace...
If you go back in ancient history (tribes in Africa?? Greece??--I can
find the source) you find only three or four words for different colors.
It's thought that they actually didn't distinguish *or* perceive more
colors than that. Over time, our visual perception has refined, and now
we speak commonly of very fine differences in color. Perhaps there is a
paralell here.
One yogi
> suggested I could only cure my K related constipation with special breathing
> for an hour a day. Another source said special asanas. Both sources claimed
> a science to their recommendations, when in fact it was observation of
> personal experience.
But this is no different than 2 medical doctors with differing opinions
about optimal treatment paths--based on "observation" of the same data
from urine samples and MRI scans...
Have you tried flax seed oil?? :-)
> The path of my own K energy is both predictable and then wildly
> unpredictable. I promise myself over and over to surrender all the way and
> trust. It feels like this trust is what allows it to move through me, and do
> it without dismembering me at the same time.
I mean, maybe this is just an expression of Ohm's law (where "trust" and
"surrender" reduce resistance--in the electrical sense)!!!
We'll only know if *we* start to compare notes...
Juliet