kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 130 

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: kundalini and me.

I would like to offer the subject of self remembering up to the group. HOw
many of you relate to yourself as a soul/spirit and not as a human in a body
with a mind, etc. 

If there is a real knowing of oneself from that of soul, we can eliminate the
nature of the discussion a pick it up into higher dimensions. Now, some of
you may react about higher/lower, but the fact is, to really manifest mastery
over the self, one must transcend the lower places to go to the areas of pure
consciousness. At a later time, when the work is done and you have passed the
tests prepared, you then go back and transform the lower vibrations. But, you
don't do the lower first, sorry, it is fact. Gloria

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: Re: kundalini and me.

This kind of awareness is happening to me increasingly.  I visualize it 
as kind of like those supersterile experiments where the experimenter 
puts on gloves that let her enter her hands into the sterile 
environment, if you get the picture! Spirit is in the glove that is my 
body, moving in the experimental world.  Sometimes I can feel the 
"pain" of being incarnate.  This is all involuntary, can't call it up 
at will.
What exactly does "self-remembering" mean?

Love,

Holly


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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: kundalini and me.

At 01:41 PM 9/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I would like to offer the subject of self remembering up to the group. HOw
>many of you relate to yourself as a soul/spirit and not as a human in a body
>with a mind, etc. 

I think a "higher" discussion is welcome.

May I ask if you also imply to discuss "walk-ins" "wanderers" and the like?
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Psychosis and Spiritual emergence

I must recommend the tape series 'Energy Anatomy' by Carolyn Myss.  She is
on the cover of both Yoga Journal (the one with the Mudras also) and Common
Boundaries this month.  She discusses each chakra and lots and lots of other
things of interest to this group.  For instance, she insists there is no way
one can become truly spiritual/mystical without going a bit nuts in the
process.  She does this all with high energy and lots of humor.  

I found these tapes entertaining, enlightening *and* comforting.  A bit
expensive ($50) but I think very worth while.  Available from Sounds True
800-333-9185.



Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: more kundalini

Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> 
> At 10:41 PM 9/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >Dan,
> >Everything has a vibration doesn't it? When your immune system is weak it is
> >very easy to become allergic to things in our environment, but when the
> >immune system kicks in and is functioning you can just as easy kick the
> >allergic reactions.
>
A note on this, if it matters: 

I think I read in a book by Dr. Sherry Rogers that *technically* it is
just the reverse--allergic reactions tend to occur in individuals with
*hyper* active immune systems.  That is, that hystamine release is an
immune system function...

Kind of interesting...



Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Dr. Kason???

I'm new here as of a few days ago...

Who the heck is this Dr. Kason, anyway??

Sounds interesting!

Juliet
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: more kundalini

At 02:20 PM 9/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>> 
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Actually Julie, I *DIDN'T* write that at all. It was a reply to my message,
and was actually written by Gloria. It was written to me as the first line
indicates.

>> At 10:41 PM 9/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Dan,
>> >Everything has a vibration doesn't it? When your immune system is weak it is
>> >very easy to become allergic to things in our environment, but when the
>> >immune system kicks in and is functioning you can just as easy kick the
>> >allergic reactions.
>>
>A note on this, if it matters: 
>
>I think I read in a book by Dr. Sherry Rogers that *technically* it is
>just the reverse--allergic reactions tend to occur in individuals with
>*hyper* active immune systems.  That is, that hystamine release is an
>immune system function...
>
>Kind of interesting...
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but of course, that's why hystamine blockers work so well. My message (which
was actually a reply to the one you quoted), was talking about how my
infection was just after a day of being "high" on adreneline (yes I was
having an adreneline rush for over 8 hours straight - skydiving can do that
to you ).
Dan.
There are always possibilities...


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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Dr. Kason???

At 02:24 PM 9/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm new here as of a few days ago...
>
>Who the heck is this Dr. Kason, anyway??

Dr. Kason is one of the executive (one of the highest ones if perhaps the
founder perhaps, I'm not sure), anyhow of something called "KRN" the
Kundalini Research Network, and something else called "SEN" Spiritual
Emergence Network.

I am passing on info about this list to her, and will be getting her
permission to post a message about KRN shortly.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...

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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this?

I'm way behind with my reading of the list. But there's one thing that bugs 
me: in all the books I've read, they each have their own opinion on what can 
be wrong with chakras: working too much, not enough, not activated, 
activated, etc... The thing is that I think nobody knows for sure. I'll have 
to wait and be dead before I know why all this energy is about to engulf me. 
The energy I feel at the 3rd eye and the crown chakras and the feet and knees 
is so strong that I think I'm losing it. I've tried so many techniques, they 
work for a time only. I think some of you are so lucky to have angels or 
others visit you. I feel I'm at the end of my rope.

Love to all.

>In response to your question....it has to do with your chakras of the
>subtle system. The chakras, 7 in number, are not only placed along the
>spinal cord, but are reflected on your hands, feet and the different parts
>of the head. The chakra right on the top of your head corresponds to the
>Sahasrara, the 1000-petalled lotus written about in ancient religious
>teachings. The numbness that you feel is most likely due to a lack of
>balance in your subtle system. All this, and more knowledge can be obtained
>from the teachings of Sahaja Yoga. If you're keen to learn more about this
>amazing knowledge, please visit the Sahaja Yoga main page at
>http://www.halcyon.com/sahajnet/SahajaYoga.html
>God bless!
>regards, Lat
->
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com



Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Loss

Mary,

Your letter was so sweet and kind. I just want you to know how much I
appreciate your letter and the others here. I ask God for three things,
Guidance, Protection, and stamina to meet the challenges that lie ahead. I
hope to see the light at the end of the tunnel. God bless all.

Mark


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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Loss

At 11:24 PM 9/2/96 -0400, Mark Rivera wrote:
>Mary,
>Your letter was so sweet and kind. I just want you to know how much I
>appreciate your letter and the others here. I ask God for three things,
>Guidance, Protection, and stamina to meet the challenges that lie ahead. I
>hope to see the light at the end of the tunnel. God bless all.
>Mark

Thank you Mark.  I hope things are seeming brighter.  They are for me and I
am very grateful for that.

Something I read or heard lately might interest you.  It was that asking for
protection is inappropriate and negative.  To do so implies that there are
things or beings we need protection from and it actually increases that
potential.  To ask for *safety* however is OK as this is more positive and
consistent with an all-loving God.  Interesting, no?

I wonder what we could do along those lines with stamina.

Wishing you light and love and peace,

Mary



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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this?

At 11:06 PM 9/2/96, you wrote:
>I'm way behind with my reading of the list. But there's one thing that bugs 
>me: in all the books I've read, they each have their own opinion on what can 
>be wrong with chakras: working too much, not enough, not activated, 
>activated, etc... The thing is that I think nobody knows for sure. I'll have 
>to wait and be dead before I know why all this energy is about to engulf me. 
>The energy I feel at the 3rd eye and the crown chakras and the feet and knees 
>is so strong that I think I'm losing it. I've tried so many techniques, they 
>work for a time only. I think some of you are so lucky to have angels or 
>others visit you. I feel I'm at the end of my rope.

I suggest you read the "Loss" thread that has come up recently. This is all
quite "normal" (if you'll excuse the expression).

the key is relaxation. I know it's hard, and for me, my outlet, and perhaps
my way of avoiding the harshness and things is perhaps a bit to hide behind
also, is humor. As they say laughter is the best medicine.

Tonight I was thinking of various things and going through a small crisis of
such that you and others here have faced, and I myself have many times
before, and suddenly I was talking (in my mind) with a "friend" (telepathic
link I guess) and I heard them say something in my mind in answer to my
thoughts.

Suddenly I was laughing hysterically, literally rolling on the floor, and it
was pretty "bad" just when i thought I couldnt take any more or it was about
to drift off my mind (subconcious) popped in another thought, additive and
again I was in the throws of uncontrollable fits of laughter, this went on
for a good 15 minutes, its is the most joy I have felt in a long time, and I
am very much thankful for it, but also at a loss to understand why, except I
needed it probably.

I guess I could say my "key" element for moving through this as seemingly
easy as it seems (and believe me, the ease in which I do move through this
is just a false front I show to others, but that is also important in this
context), anyhow, the "key" item is I've really decided NOT to FIGHT the
energy any more.

I grew tired fighting it, and it drained me. I've surrendered to it. Not all
of it, but at least part of it. I still have blocks, and am fighting parts,
but I've not only made the choice to move WITH the energy, I've actually
done it, conciously decided to give in, let it take over, I have nothing to
lose really.

after this choice, and an "aftershock", today i spent about 7 hours
sleeping, completely wiped out for reasons still unknown to me, except
perhaps that I needed it.

I know its hard, and what I say is just words, and its sometimes easier to
say things than do them, and even saying something conciously  doesnt really
mean that you've accepted it on all levels, or your inner self or anything,
I have trouble with that too you see. 

Since I've chosen this path, happiness is more bountiful, yes the problems
still arise, and yes the feelings return and I understand completely, and
even knowing someone else (yet another) out there going through this
relieves me as well, so knowing I am still going through this time and again
and am still here should help you too.  and there's always Mark too.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this?

I'm touched, Dan. (Smile)



Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this?

At 12:24 AM 9/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm touched, Dan. (Smile)



Welcome to the "club", Mark, Vivian, others so glad you could join us.

You know "kundalini" is a very elite club, not everyone can join. There are
even those who think they are members, but they are just "riffraff" and get
sent to the "service" entrance (or the bouncers take care of them).
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oh my, ok now I will apologize to everyone on this list for this little
outburst, but really this is killing me (the laughter). the rushes of energy
are incredible and i feel very warm and tingly, must be more k energy. joy.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: k and temperature

I don't know if it's related to k or not, but I'll give this a shot...

Lately I've felt my forehead has been hot, and others have said it seemed
like I had a fever, and I've been a bit pale. but when I check my
temperature, I'm a degree LOW (36c), in fact tonight my forehead (actually
3rd eye area) felt like it was burning and I just checked my temp, and its
36.2c right now.
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this has been happening for the last few months, usually whenever I feel I
have a fever I check and I'm down at least at 36c or maybe a bit lower. I've
never heard of this.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Cobra playing with me?!?

Two nights ago, the K energy was wild, it  was a totally new one for me.
 Instead of pain or inlighted knowledge, it was two things, 1. an
overwhelming energy and 2. an incredible joy/ happiness- I was laughing
uncontrolably at NOTHING, just laughing, it felt so good.  However, at the
same time the energy was so strong I wanted to go outside and hug a tree and
share/ release some of the energy coursing through my body.  When I say that
it was totally new for me, I mean the laughter.  I believe this experience
was brought on by the wonderful sexual (yes, I know here it is again :D) that
my partner of 7 years and I had just shared.  He is not quite sure about
'this kundalini thing' as he puts it, but just watches in silent confusion
and inability to be willing to try and understand.  Oh well.  I just sat
there with my feet together, smiling, letting the energy run through me, I
felt like I had a cord plugged into the wall, while he eventually fell
asleep.  After I had finally stopped laughing.  It was an incredible POSITIVE
Kundalini experience.  I just wanted to share the a positive, recent K
expereince with everyone!  I wish you all a great day (or night, as the case
may be).
In light and love,
Lori



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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: Between Lives
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   Hi All,

   This afternoon I was under my car trying to find where the brake fluid
   was leaking from.
   I had break fluid dripping on my legs, oil dripping in my eyes and
   ants crawling up my back.
   For some strange reason this thought popped into my head.
   Some people on the list have mentioned remembering past lives.
   I myself, have never been able to do this even though I meditate
   a half hour per day.
   What I was wondering is, does anyone ever remember what goes on
   between lives ?
   I wonder about a lot of things like, why do men have facial hair and
   women don't.
   I also wonder, does one have to be a Guru to awaken someone elses
   Kundalini.
   It seems to me that someone with an awakened Kundalini and radiating
   enough energy to light up a major city would be able to just touch
   someone and it would be instant Shaktipat.
   Recently for some unknown reason, people are wanting to touch me.
   I go into the supermarket to get some food for my hungry cats and
   complete strangers will come up to me and put their hand on my shoulder
   or grab my elbow and ask me where to find Bologna or radish's or something.
   Don't get me wrong, I don't mind someone touching me at all.
   But, sometimes, someone will grab my arm and their eyes will get as big
   as Nevada silver dollars and they will jump back like they have gotten
   an electrical shock.
   Instant Shaktipat ?
  
   I have read a few postings where some people were asking -
   What exactly is Kundalini ??
   Well, I believe that I have found a good answer to that.
   I am still trying to decipher it myself so, when I can translate it into
   english, I will post it.

   Bye For Now,

   Jim

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: migraine

I was asked personally about migraines, and I thought I might be able to help
some "out there" by posting my answer to the list, and also, to invite anyone
else who's had experience with migraines to post for the benefit of all....

I see migraines as a built-up pressure release - like a boiling tea kettle.
 It's almost as if, if it gets to the point of a migraine, it's too late to
do anything about it except be as comfortable through the process as
possible.

The pressure build-up is from unresolved worries, angers, resentments,
frustrations.  Even small things that your conscous mind tells you "are no
big deal."  (Believe me, your subconscious selves FEEL HURT, even when you
can intellectually explain it away)  Since you think they are no big deal,
you tuck them away inside until there is no more room left, then BANG!  A
migraine to release it all.  How much lighter do you feel after a bout with a
migraine?  Do you feel cleansed? 

For those of you who have a tendency towards migraines, it might help to
"check in" with yourself daily, so that you can release any pressure build-up
BEFORE it turns into a migraine.  What has been helpful for me (you may see
it or do it whatever way works for you) is to picture & feel myself as a
balloon.  Then I ask, how full am I?  Is the balloon small & limp, big &
tight, middle-sized, or about ready to pop?  If there is pressure build-up in
the balloon, where do I feel that in my physical body?

Then I picture & feel the air going back out of the balloon - I even hear it
in my mind.  I feel the air releasing from those parts of my body that felt
the pressure.  Sometimes I take my hands & pull out the air, or guide it by
waving it away from my body (you can picture it as smoke here to get a better
feel of it).  Anyway, you get the gist of it.

Play with it - find a fun way that works for you.  Good Luck!         Love to
all,  Barb


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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 
From: "Rondi McBoyer" 
Subject: Re: kundalini and me.

The subject of this discussion calls to me, please continue.
Rondi

----------
> From: Dan Gahlinger 
> To: kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com
> 
> At 01:41 PM 9/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >I would like to offer the subject of self remembering up to the group.
HOw
> >many of you relate to yourself as a soul/spirit and not as a human in a
body
> >with a mind, etc. 
> 
> I think a "higher" discussion is welcome.
> 
> May I ask if you also imply to discuss "walk-ins" "wanderers" and the
like?
> Dan.
> There are always possibilities...
> 



Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: migraine

OOPS!  Forgot to mention the importance of "breathing it out" also in the
migraine visualization.                                               Peace &
Calm,  Barb (:



Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 
From: bfeterlyATNOSPAMosiris.isys.ca
Subject: Re: Psychosis vs Spiritual emergence 

>To: John Marynowicz 
>From: bfeterlyATNOSPAMosiris.isys.ca
>
>
>John
>
>
>Kason used one of the groups I worked with  some years ago,
> to gather inf. as to k  
>The inf. gathered about  this energy experience comes from all areas in our
life
>It is nice to know that medical field can diagnose a label for a natural
process in our life.(  "V62.89 Religious or Spiritual
>Problem".  It's now being officially recognized by the mainstream medical)
>
>  I wonder what clinical number one gives to the experience of love. Birth
of the soul.  Sorry just wanting to express myself  today!  
->
> Personally  I feel that there needs to be a simple way to explain this
wonderful evolutionary process. Not as a problem perhaps a opportunity to
discover the hero inside. 
>All  humanity  understand caring, nurturing affirming and acceptance .
>the ingredience for health and well being   The body mind soul connection
>.If you like  sexuality creativity spirituality  they are both the same thing 
>Our world is evolving on a second by second bases
> It is a time of a great awakening of the consciousness of humanity.  
>The energy of Love  is the healer in all of us>
>Every one is dealing with damaging patterns of resentment criticism guilt
and self hatred.  
>There is now an explosion of our self creative believes manifesting in the
world  it has to happen in order to change the way we use our thought to
manifest our world.    Thoughts are creative were they are intended to be or
not. We cannot turn off the creative power it is always on.   
>                      " What ever we give our attention powered by our
feelings grows".
>
>Just thought I would jot down my own feelings on this matter.
>John thanks for reading   
>
>
>
>    
>
>
>
>
>
>>At 07:04 PM 8/29/96 -0700, ori^ wrote:
>>>
>>>I responded:
>>>>The Spiritual Emergence Network deals with some of these very 
>>>>aspects.  I have a whole notebook full of suggested ways to 
>>>>differentiate between spiritual awakening and psychotic episodes.
>>>>From what I have seen this was part of the reason SEN was formed
>>>>was to help educate professionals and lay people about the differences.
>>
>>(for the sake of brevity I have snipped ori^s very good list of guidelines.
>>They are very similar to the ones listed in Dr. Kason's book A FARTHER SHORE)
>>
>>>A few other indicators which can be used to assist in differentiating
>>>between spiritual emergence and psychosis are such things as:
>>>
>>>Medical criteria such as tests which might deny or confirm physical 
>>>        disease or organic impairment
>>>
>>>Psychological criteria such as personal functioning prior to the onset
>>>        of the spiritual emergence; possible insight that the process 
>>>        is healing or spiritual in nature; satisfactory ability to 
>>>        distinguish between the inner and the outer, awareness that
>>>        the process is intrapsychic; cooperation in things related to
>>>        physical health, basic maintenance (e.g. eating, drinking,
>>>        sleeping).
>>>
>>
>>>From Dr. Kason's book I can add to these indicators, I quote the following
>>rule of thumb:
>>
>>"Although no one but a qualified mental-health care professional can make a
>>diagnosis involving mental illness, the following rule of thumb is helpful:
>>If a person can distinquish between inner and outer experiences, is clearly
>>aware of which inner experiences do not fit into the prevailing world view
>>of reality, is able to function in the world, is able to make discerning
>>judgements, and has appropriate control of his or her emotions, he or she
>>is, by definition, not pscychotic.  This is true no matter how unusual or
>>bizarre the inner experiences may seem."
>>
>>
>>>Of course, these are not carved in stone.  They are simply guidelines.
>>>How does one tell the difference between someone who might be speaking
>>>to a spirit guide, in contrast with someone who is schizophrenic and
>>>hearing voices?  How does one differentiate between someone who has
>>>entered into a deep, prolonged meditative state vs. someone who might
>>>be psychotically cataleptic?
>>>
>>
>>Dr Kason lists a very useful table comparing symptoms of Spiritual Emergency
>>and symptoms of Psychosis.  They are similar but clearly different.  I will
>>gladly post if anyone wants them.  On the issue of voices she states that in
>>a Spiritual Emergency one can ignore the voices BUT in an episode of
>>Psychosis the person is overwhelmed by the voices.
>>
>>>At times our society has erred on the side of treating all these types
>>>of "symptoms" as medical conditions.  Organizations like SEN have been
>>>formed out of a need to educate people and offer support to those who
>>>are experiencing the very natural process of spiritual emergence.
>>>
>>
>>Dr Kason also makes a very clear distinction between Spiritual Emergence and
>>Spiritual Emergency.  The former is a natural evolution and the latter is a
>>crisis requiring proffesional attention.
>>
>>She also mentions that the American Psychiatric Association has recently
>>approved a new diagnostic code for the DSM-IV.  Apparently this is the
>>handbook used by pscyiatrists, doctors and pscychologists in making mental
>>illness diagnosies.  The new code is called "V62.89 Religious or Spritual
>>Problem".  It's now being officially recognized by the mainstream medical
>>community.
>>
>>Her book also goes into great detail as to how to manage these Spiritual
>>Emergencies and what seems to be the cause for them.  Basically it boils
>>down to lifestyle.  A balanced lifestyle seems to facilitate a healthy
>>Spritual Emergence.
>>
>>It is heartening to know that organizations such as SEN exist.  For far too
>>long people who have been going thru Kundalini experiences have been
>>erroneously labeled as schizophrenic and treated as such.  The kind of work
>>SEN is doing is becoming ever more important as more and more people wake up.
>>
>>Well, enough babble for now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Peace and Light
>>John Marynowicz
>>
>>
>>
>
 

      May your day be blanketed by the spirit of giving and recieving