kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 123 

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: "Debee L. Thomas" 
Subject: Re: Crying

> >The Soul Would Have No Rainbow Had The Eyes No Tears...
> >
> >Blessed Be
> >
> >Debee
> 
> 
> I LOVE this!  Printed it up and put it on my bulletinboard.  What a lovely,
> comforting thought.  Thank you.  Just what we criers need right now.
> 
> M

I saw this YEARS ago while at work.  Every time I logged into the system, 
some little one liner would pop up on the screen.  I saw this and it 
meant a lot to me.  I've never forgotten it and have no clue who to give 
credit to. I just share it as often as possible because of the meaning.

Debee



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Crying

When I was young, I used to picture the act of crying like a bucket of
emotions filled so high that it spills like water.



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Kundalini-l official position on "humor"

Cut the fancy words Von, it's the guy's list. He can do what ever he
wants.



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Kundalini Mail
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It's easy to offend and it's easy to make excuses for it. We all do it.
Trick is to try and think before we write or say, which is the hardest
thing to do, never the less we are all responsible for ourselves. It's
tough, but tough is what I am beginning to understand is common in life.
So, what does this mean, absolutely nothing.



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 
From: Boyd Ruffner 
Subject: k-list

Please take my name off the list. Thanks.



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: "D. M. England" 
Subject: Re: Crying
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The 11th body is what is it is caled when all the ten bodies are 
integrated.
            Diane



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Important Questions - Please Respond
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HI,
I would suggest maybe coming up with a way to show our own messages so we
don't have to read them, and getting rid of the repeats that I get sometimes.
I am getting a ton of e-mail, I went off another discussion group just
because it is more then I can get to especially if I don't get on everyday.
Gloria



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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Kundalini-l official position on "humor"

Richard,
I am curious what is it taking from you to put out this list? What kind of
hour commitment and money commitment is involved in this project? Perhaps,
the over all list doesn't understand the sacrifice you are making to give the
list an opportunity to work. I know what is involved  for me to just get
through my mail so I am not sure what your participation means for you. One
thing is for certain, it is a very great intention and I do appreciate you.
Do I hear any agreement with this. All to often people take for granted the
ongoing work that is involved in something like this. I don't believe you are
a big corporation or any such thing, but just a very dedicated person. God
Bless. Gloria



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: ADMIN:  Important Questions - Please Respond

At 08:30 AM 8/28/96 -0500, Richard Satin wrote>
>1.  Do you find the volume of mail acceptable?  Too much?  Too little?
>
Manageable, so far.

>2.  If too much, would you prefer a moderated list?  This is a list where
>only posts which have been reviewed by the moderator(s) are posted.  This
>keeps the list to a manageable size and insures that the threads stay to the
>topic.

Only when deemed necessary by public or private flaming or complaining.  

>3.  Have you been offended by any posts or posters?  If so, how and why?  

Annoyed, not offended.

>4.  How would you like to see the list changed?  Or, do you like it just the
>way it is?

I do not mind the majordomo doing anything that encourages sticking to the
topic (even loosely sticking to the topic).  Freedom is fine and good but
this list is supposed to be about kundalini.  As a community we have a right
and, I believe, a responsibility to keep it on topic.

I have seen spiritual groups dissolve because no one was willing to look
like the bad guy (shades of pre-awakened authority figures like parents,
churches, censors, etc.) and say something is inappropriate and does not
serve the group. It would seem too unholy (unChristian, un
fill-in-the-blank) to do so. And, so the groups muddle along with everyone
being very, very conventionally nice.  Well, I think it takes great courage
to say Let's stick to the topic.  Far greater courage than to make jokes or
talk about your socially unacceptable fantasies.  And, I think that courage
is as necessary on a K list as it is anyplace else in this imperfect world.
Self monitoring would be best, but sometimes, somebody has to say Enough!

  
***Inappropriate is not wrong or bad, just better expressed someplace else.***
-

I would hope that someday the rest of the world understands and respects
Kundalini.  Strangers poping in on us might not at times.  At other times
they would be mighty impressed, yes, even with the (higher level) humor.
Let's keep it impressive. 



Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: John Marynowicz 
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Kundalini-l official position on "humor"

At 03:15 PM 8/28/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi: Richard
>
>I agree that you pay the bills and are the owner, but that still does not
>make you right.
>
>                                I like it when you say:
>                          "Again, this is non-negotiable."
>
>
>Now I know where you are coming form.    You should have explained to me the
>first time that I joined this list that you are the boss,  pay the bill and
>nothing that I say is negotiable.
>
>I will keep this thing in mind and I am really am surprised at you, Richard.
> 
>
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Von

Forgive me, but I really do think that you are being unfair to Richard.  No
where in his comment to you did he say that EVERYTHING you say is
non-negotiable, as you would have us believe.  You have clearly
over-reacted.  Please, put the claws away.

Richard was merely referring to certain kinds of inappropriate humor.  The
kind that tries to be funny at the expense of others.  I too, was offended
by the Coffee posting, but decided to let it slide.  Now you come back with
this cheap shot.  I am surprised at you.

I generally find your posts uplifting, but given this most recent response
of yours, I now have to start taking what you say with a big grain of salt.

I just am trying to understand.


Peace and Light
John Marynowicz



Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 
From: "Michael J. Davis" 
Subject: IRC?

Anyone out on IRC tonight?

mjd
***************************
Michael J. Davis
Independent Network Consultant
mjdavisATNOSPAMcompassnet.com

"Skip 18 and 20...go right to 9!"
    Master Rusty McMains


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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: lidforsATNOSPAMwineasy.se (Lennart Lidfors)
Subject: Re: ADMIN:  Important Questions - Please Respond

Hi Richard,

Good timing of your questons. I was going to unsubscribe.

>1.  Do you find the volume of mail acceptable?  Too much?  Too little?
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Too much!

>2.  If too much, would you prefer a moderated list?  This is a list where
>only posts which have been reviewed by the moderator(s) are posted.  This
>keeps the list to a manageable size and insures that the threads stay to the
>topic.  

Later, if necessary.

>3.  Have you been offended by any posts or posters?  If so, how and why?  
>(Note that this information will be read only by me - and will be deleted
>when I am finished.  It will remaing confidential.)

No, I am unknown. I have never posted to the list. This is the first time.
You see, that's a problem, I think I have interesting thing to contribute,
but cannot do it with all this chat going on. The reason is, that I have a
feeling that the people I will reach with my communication: the effective,
creative, spiritual, busy people with long experience and good knowledges of
the k-litterature and similar things leave the list after a few weeks
lurking. The signal-to-noise level is to low for them. They don't have the
time and patience to select the raisins. In the literature they read, the
selection is already done.

(I waste a lot of time erasing all these chat-noises. I erase at a high
velocity, and do sometimes miss the signal, at least the value of the
signals is decreased... a kind of hopelessness...)  

>4.  How would you like to see the list changed?  Or, do you like it just the
>way it is?
-
I want everybody to ask silent:
1. Is this necessary to post?
2. Is this close to the topic of kundalini?
3. Is this private communication? In that case I will post it directly.

The problem is that, say 10 persons currently posting, are emotionally upset
by what is happening with them. They need support, and have found that they
can use the list as a private, therapeutic and pep-talk line. They don't
realise that they misuse the list for hundreds of others. They don't realise
that this list gets a too great turnover. There is a natural selection of
people. The dominating type of talks draw people of same kind, other people
unsubscribe. The results is a narrow, boring and unstable list.

Solution? Maybe a moderated digest as a complement.

Lennart
Sweden

   
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: K

There are as many opinions about what K is & its process as there are stars
across the sky.

To me, what the list is going through RIGHT NOW is kundalini; the shattering
of old ideas & belief systems, the uncomfortable change of flow, and finally
the emergence of a new level of awareness & love.

So I see that ALL postings have been contributing to the whole process, as
all parts are needed and in perfect harmony with bringing the whole to a
higher vibration.  Do you see that it is working?  Hurray for all of us!

How many of us have sat back lately to reevaluate who we are, what we stand
for, and our right to be those things, regardless of whether "everybody"
likes us or not?  Is it bringing up anger, resentment?  THAT IS KUNDALINI
MOVING THROUGH US AND THE LIST TO MAKE US INDIVIDUALLY HIGHER AND THE LIST
HIGHER!  (my opinion anyway)

Kundalini is not just an energy moving through that can be explained
pragmatically.  It involves us physically, mentally, emotionally, and
spiritually.  It brings up things deep in our core beingness that we don't
want to look at because it causes pain.  So while we are going through a
kundalini process, we need to bounce things off of one another to come to a
higher understanding.  To me, that is the more important aspect of awakening
than the pragmatic & semantics of kundalini.  How can we grow without knowing
where to grow to, when all our lives have been based on illusions?  WE NEED
EACH OTHER - the positive, the negative, the humor, the seriousness, the
help; if only for consideration of "what do I want to be when I grow up," to
help us get clear. Can you see that what is happening right now with this
list is helping us clarify just WHO WE ARE?

I joined this list less than a week ago, not necessarily for people to
explain what kundalini is & how it works, but for comraderie & growth through
the process.  I thought that was what it was for - support for each others'
processes, NO MATTER WHAT THE PROCESS IS, as it is different for everyone.

I apologize for the length here, folks!  Thanks for bearing with me.  I
continue to support all of you and this list in whatever form of evolution it
takes....

Blessings & Peace to ALL,  Barb ATNOSPAM--}}--}}--



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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: Wendy 
Subject: Kundalini Mailing List

Good Morning All,

After talking with a sister subscriber to the k list last night, I went back
through my saved posts to see if there was a mission/purpose statement I
received when subscribing to the list that would serve as a guide as to what
is appropriate or inappropriate when posting to the list.  This was the
statement I received upon subscribing.  Is there an additional statement
that spells it out more definitively than this, Richard?  If so, would you
please repost it when you get a free moment?  

Thank you.

Love,
Wendy

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                         k  u  n  d  a  l  i  n  i

                     m  a  i  l  i  n  g    l  i  s  t
        ------------------------------------------------------------

       This list is for the free exchange of information, advice and
      friendship among those interested in, undergoing, or in any way
             involved with the awakening of Kundalini energy.

-      By the very nature of the phenomena, such a process touches upon
       every aspect of life. As a result, this list is set up to be a
       forum in which list members should feel able to post openly on
                any subject which is related to this topic.



Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: cmwithATNOSPAMcris.com (Michelle Withers)
Subject: Re: ADMIN:  Important Questions - Please Respond
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Dear Lennart and all,

I am replying to this message because I feel that it speaks to me loudly.

I don't want to get into an arguement with anyone - just empathize with
Lennart and many out there who are really having to sort through the mail
from Kundalini - to find the gems.

I do hope that the list turnover isn't as quick as a few weeks, and that
people stick around, hoping to weed through the quantity of mail, to hear
the inner message of the group.

I also understand some people's hesitation to post, as Ihave noticed that
everything and anything which is posted is subjected to being picked apart
to fit into individuals "models" of reality.

While this type of ongoing conversation might be interesting to the few who
are participating in it - and they might be learning alot about themselves
through the arguement - BUT.......It would be nice to see a little more
discernment being put into use.

Just my two pennies worth.

In light and love,

Michelle


>Hi Richard,
>
>Good timing of your questons. I was going to unsubscribe.
>
>>1.  Do you find the volume of mail acceptable?  Too much?  Too little?
>
>Too much!
>
>>2.  If too much, would you prefer a moderated list?  This is a list where
>>only posts which have been reviewed by the moderator(s) are posted.  This
>>keeps the list to a manageable size and insures that the threads stay to the
>>topic.
>
>Later, if necessary.
>
>>3.  Have you been offended by any posts or posters?  If so, how and why?
>>(Note that this information will be read only by me - and will be deleted
>>when I am finished.  It will remaing confidential.)
>
>No, I am unknown. I have never posted to the list. This is the first time.
>You see, that's a problem, I think I have interesting thing to contribute,
>but cannot do it with all this chat going on. The reason is, that I have a
>feeling that the people I will reach with my communication: the effective,
>creative, spiritual, busy people with long experience and good knowledges of
>the k-litterature and similar things leave the list after a few weeks
>lurking. The signal-to-noise level is to low for them. They don't have the
>time and patience to select the raisins. In the literature they read, the
>selection is already done.
>
>(I waste a lot of time erasing all these chat-noises. I erase at a high
>velocity, and do sometimes miss the signal, at least the value of the
>signals is decreased... a kind of hopelessness...)
>
>>4.  How would you like to see the list changed?  Or, do you like it just the
>>way it is?
>
>I want everybody to ask silent:
>1. Is this necessary to post?
>2. Is this close to the topic of kundalini?
>3. Is this private communication? In that case I will post it directly.
>
>The problem is that, say 10 persons currently posting, are emotionally upset
>by what is happening with them. They need support, and have found that they
>can use the list as a private, therapeutic and pep-talk line. They don't
>realise that they misuse the list for hundreds of others. They don't realise
>that this list gets a too great turnover. There is a natural selection of
>people. The dominating type of talks draw people of same kind, other people
>unsubscribe. The results is a narrow, boring and unstable list.
>
>Solution? Maybe a moderated digest as a complement.
>
>Lennart
>Sweden
>
>



Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: Jim Hefling 
Subject: Re: ADMIN:  Important Questions - Please Respond
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At 12:46 PM 8/28/96 -0700, Daniel L. Rusch-Fischer wrote:
>Richard Satin wrote:
>1.  Do you find the volume of mail acceptable?
>	The volume gets large, but I have no problem dealing with it. 
>2.  If too much, would you prefer a moderated list?
>	We all get 'off track' occasionally - moderation would be in order
>	to keep the list a bit more 'linear'. Regular chat could be directed
>	to an IRC line such as Wendy suggests.
>3.  Have you been offended by any posts or posters?
>	On occasion (no not you Von), but on reflection is was more a
>	result of my own errors and prejudices than intent of offense by
>	the poster. It is tough, but when I feel offended, I try to handle
>	it by examining my own tolerance level - doesn't always work. Boy!
>	is that true sometimes.
>4.  How would you like to see the list changed?
>	Other than a little help linearizing it, seems to serve a fair
>	number of the users - is there anything we could do to assist in
>	the nuts-and-bolts? It seems like an awfully big share of the load
>	that you bear Richard just for having the 'owner' title.
>
>       
        I have been lurking for some time, and am impressed by both the
quality and number of the posts on this list.  I think that the humor is
healthy-for the most part- and needed to keep things from getting too
"self-serving" (or somesuch word).  When things get too far from track,
however far that is, one or two comments should be enough to get things
going again. IMHO the question about IMHO could have been handled more
gracefully with a simple informative post (which DID happen), and a lot of
potential hurt feelings avoided--but no harm done.  But onceits over, lets
get on with it.

        The only nutz-n-boltz thing that I could mention is that I,
personally like the convenience of the digest form.  When I have the time, I
sort out my messages so that I read the ones from each list together.  But,
diff'runt strokes...

        Thanks for asking

        Jim
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Important Questions - Please Respond

Michelle and everyone,

Concerning "weeding through to find the gem:"    What is a "gem" to you at
this stage of your development may not be a gem to me or others.  What I find
to be a gem to me and perfect for what I needed that day may be irrational,
offensive, etc. to someone else.  In my humble opinion, the list shouldn't be
censored to fit an individual or specific group, as the rest of us get left
out.  And this list was meant for EVERYONE undergoing some form of kundalini,
OR just wanting to know more about it, OR knows someone going through a form
of it, etc.  See how diverse a group we are?

I have to sift through the postings to find what I need too, but considering
the feedback I've gotten already, it's worth it TO ME.  I'm learning a lot
about people by sifting through the postings as well, and I consider that to
be valuable too.

Blessings,  Barb



Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Kundalini-l official position on "humor"
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GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Richard,
> I am curious what is it taking from you to put out this list? What kind of
> hour commitment and money commitment is involved in this project? Perhaps,
> the over all list doesn't understand the sacrifice you are making to give the
> list an opportunity to work. I know what is involved  for me to just get
> through my mail so I am not sure what your participation means for you. One
> thing is for certain, it is a very great intention and I do appreciate you.
> Do I hear any agreement with this. All to often people take for granted the
> ongoing work that is involved in something like this. I don't believe you are
> a big corporation or any such thing, but just a very dedicated person. God
> Bless. Gloria

I hope you don't give up right away, Richard, but let things thrash
about until they settle, and they will settle.  Let us all expect that a
settlement that benefits all will occur here.

Love, Bill
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Raising Vision & Forward bend.


Raising my vision up to my third eye brings energy up from the sex center.
I tried this the other day and it generated alot of heat.
It wasn't uncomfortable either.
And as soon as I stopped Raising my vision the heat stopped.

Also doing the forward bend on the floor, (a simple asana)
makes a circle of energy around your whole body.
Doing this for about 2 to 3 minutes you can really feel the energy travel
along the spine.
Be aware of the energy as it travels through your back and through your legs
and the rest of your body.
This is a good exercise to use the tongue on the roof of your mouth to
let your energy make a complete circle.

A good technique to losen your legs when you feel tight, is to just wiggle
your toes.

Peace and love,
John Halonen



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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: cmwithATNOSPAMcris.com (Michelle Withers)
Subject: Re: Raising Vision & Forward bend.

Dear John and all,

Michelle here.  I have also felt this heat in the third eye area when I am
opening my *sight*.  I asked about it on another list, many many months
ago.  A few people were concerned about the heat - thinking this to be a
blockage.  I have only experienced clearer and clearer *sight*, and still
feel the heat, which I now associate with the opening of the inner eye.
When I feel the heat, I know I am seeing another dimension.


>
>Raising my vision up to my third eye brings energy up from the sex center.
>I tried this the other day and it generated alot of heat.
>It wasn't uncomfortable either.
>And as soon as I stopped Raising my vision the heat stopped.
>
>Also doing the forward bend on the floor, (a simple asana)
>makes a circle of energy around your whole body.
>Doing this for about 2 to 3 minutes you can really feel the energy travel
>along the spine.
>Be aware of the energy as it travels through your back and through your legs
>and the rest of your body.
>This is a good exercise to use the tongue on the roof of your mouth to
>let your energy make a complete circle.
>
>A good technique to losen your legs when you feel tight, is to just wiggle
>your toes.
>

Fascinating.  :)  As a matter of fact I started doing this exact stretch -
sitting on the floor, just out of intuition, about a year and a half ago.
This stretch just felt right to me, and I believe that it was one of the
triggers for my awakening.  The only difference is that I extended the
stretch for about 15 minutes.  It seemed that the longer I held the
stretch, the more comfortable I got with it, and the more I could stretch
my muscles - comfortably.  I became VERY flexible.  :)  It felt great!

I also played around with my tongue, finding the most comfortable place for
it to rest - and it was infact tight against the roof of my mouth.  I did
feel great energy , rushing unabated - which at the time I had no idea of
it's portent.  It just felt like the right thing to do, at the right time.
Isn't it wonderful how our intuition can guide us in such meaningful ways??

In light and love,

Michelle



Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Kundalini-l official position on "humor"

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, William P. Wilkes wrote:

> 
> Von, it's one thing to be right, and quite another thing to walk in love
> and the light, and to want with your whole heart to put that above
> everything else.
> 
> Which one would you put above the other?
> 

Speaking of being "right", and "quite another thing..."

Is there some concept of perfection in yoga?

...after enlightenment,
chopping wood,
carrying water...

Mac



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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Crying

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, D. M. England wrote:

> The 11th body is what is it is caled when all the ten bodies are 
> integrated.
>             Diane
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Ok, but I have no idea what the ten bodies are either.  Is it a yoga, or 
a budihst, or some other type of idea?

Mac