kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 119 

Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Acronyms and abbreviations found in the posts.

At 02:27 PM 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Bill
>
>>What does "IMHO" mean?<
>
>International  Male  Homosexual Organization.
>
>I am surprised at you, Bill:)
>
>Von

come on Von, let's not take advantage of the poor fellow! :) sheesh.
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[snicker] ROFL...
 
IMHO - In My Humble Opinion
LOL - Laugh Out Loud
ROFL - Rolling On Floor Laughing
BRB - Be Right Back
TTYL - Talk To You Later
TTFN - Ta-Ta For Now
IMO - In My Opinion
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There's tons more, but I forget them all...
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Re: Acronyms and abbreviations found in the posts.
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Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> 
> IMHO - In My Humble Opinion
> LOL - Laugh Out Loud (or Lots Of Laughs)
> ROFL - Rolling On Floor Laughing
> BRB - Be Right Back
> TTYL - Talk To You Later
> TTFN - Ta-Ta For Now
> IMO - In My Opinion
> 
> There's tons more, but I forget them all...
> Dan.
> there are always possibilities...

Thanks, Dan!  Steven  suggested something like AFAIK - as far as
I know.

If folks send me more, and I'll keep the list going until it stops
growing.
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Sincerely, Bill



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 
From: daljeet.sidhuATNOSPAMtempe.vlsi.com
Subject: Re: Anonymous Post (Awakening Awry?)

hi Richard,
I found fresh lemon in water very useful. It calms me down,
and reduces the restlessness.

Von: Beer/wine provides me some relief, but it kills the
     intoxication Gods remembrance provides me.

Love,
-Daljeet


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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re southern Baptists et.al

Hi everyone:

One example of the kind of prejudice and hypocracy we have been discussing,
is the latest decision by many fundamentalist organizations to boycott
Disney. The reason is that Disney gives support to homosexuals on their staff
including health benefits etc.

I agree we must not judge, but I for one feel a little sick when I encounter
this type of prejudice.  It particularly hurts me when it is done in the name
of Christ.  He was the one who dined with publicans and sinners, to quote the
Bible.  He did not exclude anyone.

We are all God's children.  He created all of us.  We will never have true
harmony on this planet until everyone gets this through their heads.

That is why I could really relate to Christine's post about Hinduism.
 Although the Hindus like every other religious group have been guilty of
prejudice, the religion is very inclusive. It tolerates different ideas
because it accepts the idea that we can never know God.  All images, symbols
etc. are only props on the way to help us , and they change as we change. So
Christine, while I personally have not become a Hindu, I certainly can
understand, someone who does.

In the end I think the only background/path that is worth anything  is the
one that makes us think for ourselves.  I wonder if some of us chose to
incarnate into extremes of one kind or another, to push us along a path where
we are forced to be our own path?

Karol Ann:

Loved the quote,  Until you can walk on water, use a boat.  Maybe I'm a
coward, but when it comes to health problems, I definetly use a boat, a
holistic one rather than a conventional one, but a boat all the same.!

Maimu:
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Lots of luck in your studies, we all will miss you.

Love Jule



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: K and CFS
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Hi. There are very good set of guidelines in a book called "Energies of Transformation" 
by Bonnie Greenwell now on sale or in your local library.



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: To Michael, re. meditation

Michael:

I do hatha yoga sometimes.   It balances me and relaxes me.  However if I do
breath work I seem to fly out of my body. As Von mentioned, some of us have
trouble staying grounded and so that is a real problem.

Perhaps you know of something that is useful, in which case I think you
should share it with everyone, because I'm not alone with this problem.

My meditation is usually guided  imagery with no breath work at all, I can go
into an altered state at will. 

I'd be very interested to hear what you suggest.

Love Jule
. 
I can go into an altered state at will.



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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: RE: Meditator

Jule:

I'm not to advanced in some of this stuff.

But I find there is a spot about two inches below the navel(Not to be
confused with the third chakra.)  where if you stand with your knees bent,
all of your wieght seems to settle here.

Once you get used to this feeling you don't kneed to be standing to
concentrate on it.

When doing your breath work, imagine your breath coming down into this area.
When breathing out, imagine it going out of your body through this area.

I don't know if this will keep you from flying out or not, but let me know.
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Peace and love,
John Halonen.



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: Anonymous Post (Synchrophrenia)

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To:   Richard Satin            \ Internet:    (libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com)
Subject: Anonymous Post (Synchrophrenia)

The day before yesterday, I was working in the parking lot cleaning out 
the back seat of the car and suddenly the thought occurred to me that a 
description of the k-state as schizophrenia was accurate. That is only 
up to a point. I started expounding on this insight to my wife who 
nodded agreeably and continued helping me. I maintained that the 
current state of my mind was that of two simultaneous perceptions - my 
workaday consciousness and my meditative consciousness. I say 
meditative since I don't consciously do anything to bring on this state 
as repeating a mantra. Rather the two states seem to be there all of 
the time - however, depending on my or the outside world's needs at any 
given time, the percentage of presence of any of these varies so that 
at times there is only a barely-perceptible amount of the meditative 
(during driving now, for example) and when resting, it can change to 
99.9% meditative. I pointed out that the brain has two halves, that 
logical thought can coexit with artistic thought, spacial perception 
with linear perception, etc. However, a schizophrenic seems to be often 
negatively CONTROLLED by the altered state of perception whereas the 
k-induced state seems to lead to positive alterations of thought and 
behavior and more often LEADS the perceptor to these changes. Anyway, 
right or wrong, last evening I opened an email answering a request for 
information that I had made. It gave me a URL that I followed. Out of 
curiosity I continued a little farther and found:  
http://www.well.com/user/selene/SENarticles/SpiritPsychosis.html
This is an excellent article about just the subject I had been 
discussing earlier (unlikely I would have found it ever on my own had I 
not received the unrelated email, much less on the first day in my life 
that I had ever discussed this subject). It discusses some of the same 
things, just in a more scientific/psychiatric argument - the conclusion 
is similar; there are two distinct mental states, schizophrenia and 
spiritual awakening; the first is a mental disorder the second is a 
naturally occurring condition that does not generally need treatment. I 
think that the pathological condition should be called schizophrenia 
and the spiritual awakening should be called syncrophrenia (a good 
thing!). I think that this could qualify as a situation of syncronicity 
and if you don't think so, check today's posts - the question is posed, 
"Is there a way to tell psychosis from k-awakening?" That would be the 
same subject three times in two days.


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which is the normal condition of a thing being as it should be.
-Ade Bethune



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: ori^ 
Subject: Re: K and CFS
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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Royale Jills wrote:

> I have not know of any connection between K. and health although there
probalby is.  I 
> do know that fully realized people do get sick and even die.  Royale
> 

Since people apparently experience symptoms of psychosis durring a K. 
awakening, what guide lines does someone use to understand whether a 
person is psychotic or an emotionaly healthy person experiencing K?


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*        ori^          *   
*  mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com  *
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: ori^ 
Subject: Psychosis vs Spiritual awakening (was: K and CFS)

>On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Royale Jills wrote:
>
>> I have not know of any connection between K. and health although there
>probalby is.  I 
>> do know that fully realized people do get sick and even die.  Royale
>> 
>
>Since people apparently experience symptoms of psychosis durring a K. 
>awakening, what guide lines does someone use to understand whether a 
>person is psychotic or an emotionaly healthy person experiencing K?

Sorry folks, I forwarded that last post without a response...
Had intended to refer to some materials I have at home, but I'm not
there now :)

The Spiritual Emergence Network deals with some of these very 
aspects.  I have a whole notebook full of suggested ways to 
differentiate between spiritual awakening and psychotic episodes.
>From what I have seen this was part of the reason SEN was formed
was to help educate professionals and lay people about the differences.

I can summarize some of the information in a later post.
It will be a good refresher for me to look through it again.

ori^
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*        ori^          *   
*  mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com  *
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: D M England 
Subject: Re: Health Problems

Dear Michael,

I also have been lurking and disturbed by what I have been reading.  
3 years ago I had a pain on my right side where my appendix is.  I 
went from doctor to doctor.  I had test after test but nothing was 
found to be wrong.  When Protzac was suggested, I looked elsewhere 
for an answer.  After I began Yoga, the pain gradually went away.  I 
have not suffered any serious problems since then.
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I have been wondering if those who are suffering are also the ones 
that have had no formal instruction in Yoga.  I found an instructor 
who did not advocate a cult like atmosphere.  They are out there.  
What my instructor does is to correct my position (usually the 
head)  and my breathing.  I am a bit concerned for those suffering 
because such symptoms resemble problems that people have who have 
blocked channels.


When blocks are being cleared from the body it is not uncommon to for 
uncontrolled shaking to occur.  Just relax and let it shake.  

At the moment, I am clearing a very large block in my abdomen.  If 
I try to bring too much energy to bear on the block I get sick to my 
stomach and very, very hot.  My instructor suggested justing backing 
off a little and  go gradually.  This was excellent advice and has worked 
well.  As she said 'Yoga is for life!  Get out of the American mode of 
wanting everything yesterday.'  She also suggested that 'This was 
a message from my soul to develop more patience and work through 
things.'

                                                                      
                                                               Diane  



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: John Carlson 
Subject: Re: the top of the head 
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> Hi everyone:
> 
> When I went through "K", I felt as if I had a cone on the top of my head.

I've felt a cone on my head, too.  Only about an hour.  I felt like
someone removed the cone.

John

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Health Problems

Well YES I'd like more.  I doubt I'm the only one.  How are we spontaneously
awakened ones supposed to know about stuff like ?
I never heard of it.  Literature is very hard to come by where I live, so
you guys are my source.  I've been eating and smoking to keep the energy
down because I discovered they work.  How did you find out about the tongue bit?

With many thanks,
Mary


At 10:42 AM 8/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello All:
>
>I have been sitting back on the list not saying to much, but over the last
>few days I have become rather alarmed. 
>
>I have been reading all of the posts that folks have made concerning health
>problems and have talked privately with several individuals. What I have
>found is that there are quite a few people not doing any of the "standard"
>breathing or other related exercises to help the system deal with the influx
>of energy.
>
>At its most basic root, kundalini is chi kung or "energy work" (loose
>translation). Along with this comes particular breathing exercises and other
>things such as keeping the tongue to the roof of the mouth. Without these,
>you run the risk of causing harm to yourself. Both physically and emotionally. 
>
>Rather than just throwing alot of information out there that not everyone is
>interested in, please e-mail me if you'd like more.
>
>Michael
>
>*******************************
>Michael J. Davis
>Independent Network Consultant
>mjdavisATNOSPAMcompassnet.com
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.
>
>
>



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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Health Problems

At 06:11 PM 8/26/96 +0000, D M England wrote:
>Dear Michael,
>
>I also have been lurking and disturbed by what I have been reading.  

>At the moment, I am clearing a very large block in my abdomen.  If 
>I try to bring too much energy to bear on the block I get sick to my 
>stomach and very, very hot.  My instructor suggested justing backing 
>off a little and  go gradually.  This was excellent advice and has worked 
>well.  As she said 'Yoga is for life!  Get out of the American mode of 
>wanting everything yesterday.'  She also suggested that 'This was 
>a message from my soul to develop more patience and work through 
>things.'
>                                                                      
>                                                               Diane  
>

Michael and Diane,

I could use some help with head and throat blockages just now.  I have made
it through pain in the lower chakras ok and am now experiencing earaches,
lightheadedness, sinus pains, etc.  I used to get a headache about once
every 2 or 3 years!!  These pains do not make me feel like taking aspirin
but it is uncomfortable.  I think my strep throat is gone but still feel
general tendernes from the neck up. This is also the place I am least likely
to feel my K energies pulsing.  Any exercises or advice would be greatly
appreciated. Greatly.

Blessings,
Mary 



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Health Problems

I wonder if my health problems are karma, chance, fate, or just health 
problems. It sucks to be sick in any form.



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: solicitation of film footage
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Thanks for the warning Von!
As always,
Light and Love,
Lori



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Acronyms and abbreviations found in the posts.

Bill,
To answer your questions:
IMHO means In my humble opinion
LOL means Laughing out loud
ROFL means Rolling on the Floor Laughing
L&L Light anf Love
:D is a big laughing smilie face
:) smile
-
 grin
Uh, I can't think of anymore right now, I hope these help and sorry for the
confusion!  If I think of anymore, I'll let you know.  I am still trying to
learn all the lingo myself!  
Take Care!
Light and Love,
Lori


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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Comments on email lists

Hi: ori^

Thanks ori^ for your comments.  You are the first person that complained
about a little humor, but I will take your advice under concederation.    If
people find a little humor in their life offensive then I will of course not
do it.  I think God must of had some humor or he would not have made this
life in the first place.  

If any one on the list does not think humor is appropriate here some times
then please let me know.  I can be dull and mundane if that is appropriate,
but I see to much of that 24 hours a day.

I might not agree with you, but I accept your right to say what every you
what to.   If Bill or Dan feels bad by my remarks then they can always just
send me an E-Mail.
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They are my brothers in this life and we all have to evolve our own way.

Love,
Von  


You said:
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Subj:	Comments on email lists
From:	mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com ()


Von,
I question whether this is really appropriate or necessary
for the list.
Maybe this sort sort of joking is better sent directly to
an individual rather than to over 100 people on a mailing
list.

Thanks for your consideration,
ori^
---------------------------------------------

At 14:27 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Bill
>
>>What does "IMHO" mean?<
>
>International  Male  Homosexual Organization.
>
>I am surprised at you, Bill:)
>
>Von



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: kundalini
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Well, to get back on topic (grin). another thing I've noticed after
kundalini, is other peoples thoughts come in much clearer. although i'm not
sure if this is directly because of k, or not. the extra sensory perception
has picked up too.
 
I guess this is just overall perceptive improvement, and increase in awareness.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: John Carlson 
Subject: Re: kundalini 

> Well, to get back on topic (grin). another thing I've noticed after
> kundalini, is other peoples thoughts come in much clearer.

What range are people's thoughts coming in?  Must they be in the same
room, or in conversation with you?  How do you identify whose thoughts
you are hearing?  Some people don't think in language--if so, how can
you identify where the thought is coming from?  Do you just intrinsically
realize where the thought arises?  Is it positional, does it have dimensions?

John



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Physical symptom

Has anyone on this list ever experienced his or her skin peeling? Like a huge 
sunburn?
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Has anyone ever felt...

Has anyone ever felt that all this kundalini stuff is just another opiate 
for the soul and most of stuff that goes on is just bull shit because 
aside from a few people, I find most people, including myself, to be 
worse than animals and it is very, very depressing.



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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: GrandmmaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Location

I live in the Ogden Ut. area.  I would be very interested in knowing where we
K recipients are located.  I have found very few people in my area who have
experienced this exhilarating phenominon.  If you have any general knowledge
of  locations of the awakened population I would like the information.  Thank
You 
-                                                      Light and Love.
                                                               Jean



Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Health Problems

Diane, Excellent comments, flowing with what is happening is the only answer
and when you are tuned into your body it will tell you what is coming down. I
have always told my friends starting to experience these things that
awakening is very physical. It is not a mental or emotional trip, it is an
integrated process that takes in what you think, do, feel, etc. Glorai



Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: K and CFS
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The best guideline is the example in ones life, where there is balance there
is peace, acceptance, gratitude, and great faith. These vibrations carrying
one through all challenges because of the great love God has for us, and we
return by opening ourselves to knowing and learning of Godhead through divine
will. Gloria



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: re:  has anyone ever felt...

the worst siege of negativity I'd ever experienced.  It lasted for 
weeks, felt uncontrollable and seemed to completely drain me of 
compassion for the human species as a whole and for any single human 
person, not least myself.  The only time that was remotely comparable 
was the hell I went through quitting smoking.  So yes, I guess we can't 
swing one way without swinging the other.  No doubt this will happen 
again, though I fervently hope the swings will grow less dramatic over 
time.

Holly



Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Health Problems

Have you seen your allergist? Many of us sensitives develop allergies to the
environment during a phase of the journey, no biggy, you just have to learn
how to ride it, and sometimes anti-histimines are necessary to break the
illusion. Since I've been on the magnetic mattress pad and pillow all of that
has just about gone. Gloria And, if you are like us here, the air is full and
I do mean full of smoke from the fires. This is not what our lungs, and inner
workings like to breath. But, this is the time of trials, must we not take it
all with a grain of salt. Love ya, Gloria


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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: "end" result

Hi:   Barb 


You said
>I hope that for any of you who are going through what seems to be endless
pain with no way out, that you'll realize that I am no different than you.  I
am you, and you are me, AND YOU WILL MAKE IT TOO.  If you close your eyes
right now, and tap into the love & compassion I feel for you, I swear you
will feel it.  Go into your heart, I will give you an extra boost when you
need it.  Really, I'm not kidding!  Try it..<.

I was just re-reading your post again.  Sorry, that I can't joke for awhile
as some people are offended by my happiness so I will be very sad, mundane
and dull in my reply to you.  I'am serous and sad now, no joke.  You see, now
I forgot what I was going to say. 
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>you'll realize that I am no different than you.  I
am you, and you are me, AND YOU WILL MAKE IT TOO.  If you close your eyes
right now, and tap into the love & compassion I feel for you<

Yes you are right and in fact that is what I always say too.  Dan says that I
have to come down to the 3rd dimension.  As we are living now in this
dimension, but I agree with you 100% when you say:"  I am no different than
you,.  I am you."    For me the heavens have come down into this 3rd
dimension.
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I can see it and so can you and why not.  After all I am you and you are me.
You see how easy life is.  Life is to simple, but people like to over think
and then they get stuck in Maya. 

Love,
Von



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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Anonymous Post (Awakening Awry?)

Hi: -Daljeet

>Von: Beer/wine provides me some relief, but it kills the
     intoxication Gods remembrance provides me.<

Yes,  Daljeet and that is exactly why I use beer sometimes.  I have to get
grounded on this physical level.  I am way over, "  intoxication in Gods
remembrance."  It gets out of control and then I can not function in our
every day life. 

 Do you have any idea how disturbing it is to be talking to some one on an
important subject then just star floating out of your body.   It is very had
to carry on a conversation like that so I have to have something to ground
me.

-------------------------
As my friend Jule only knows to well when she says:
>I do hatha yoga sometimes.   It balances me and relaxes me.  However if I do
breath work I seem to fly out of my body. As Von mentioned, some of us have
trouble staying grounded and so that is a real problem.

Perhaps you know of something that is useful, in which case I think you
should share it with everyone, because I'm not alone with this problem.

My meditation is usually guided  imagery with no breath work at all, I can go
into an altered state at will. 

I'd be very interested to hear what you suggest.

Love Jule

 and Love,
       Von