kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 118 

Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 
From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber)
Subject: unsubbing

Hi all,

School starts this week, and I've never been able to maintain balance in my
life with both school and email lists, so I'll be unsubbing.  I'll check
back in with you during semester breaks or when I feel I'm caught up...

I will let you know how things turn out with the forged email problem.  

Thank you for all you've given me...

Much Love and Light,

Maimu

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    When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather......
     Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did.



Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 
From: ElmovolATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: So. Baptists

Dear Ones,
Please
add to your list of ex's this Ex-Southern Catholic.  Not only did I have to
contend with the Vatican telling me I was going to hell every time I turned
around, I had to deal with those self-righteous So. Baptists too!!  My
turning away from church started for me when I was 7 years old.  I couldn't
figure out why my uncle who was a monsignor in the church in Ohio drove down
every January to visit us in TN in a brand new Olds Delta 88 on his way to
play golf in Palm Beach FL for a month, my father always had a quart of
Chivas Regal waiting for him, and why the nuns had to take a vow of poverty.
 To say I was questioning the patriarchy at such an early age is an
understatement.  It's no wonder I was drawn to Hinduism and the Divine Mother
and all those beautiful goddesses.

After
reading these postings on Jesus and Co. for several days,  what disbrubed me
is the fact that Student is saying Jesus is the *only* way, if you don't
follow *him* you're condemend to whatever, blah, blah, blah.   It's that air
of exclusivity that is so frustrating to deal with.  I remember telling
Sister Mary-what's-her-name that one time I went to a Nazarene church one
Sunday instead of going to mass.  According to her I commited THE MORTAL SIN
and she marched me off to confession pronto.                  The bottom line
is the dogma may say and preach one thing, but my heart is whispering me
something totally different.  The first time I sat in the Divine Mother
temple in Crestone, CO singing and chanting Sanskrit, I thought to myself
*what am I doing*  *What am I getting myself into* yet at the same time it
finally felt real, it felt comforting, it felt closer to the truth of who I
am and who God is than anything else I had ever experienced.  I went to India
and had my head shaved in a tributary of the Ganges River, came back and went
to work in the South.  I was meeting up with people like Student every day
for months.  A bald head and Brooks Brothers suits on a woman, especially in
Federal Court, make for a perplexing dichotomy for some.
                                                     That experience really
moved me on the judgments I had about other people, and myself especially.  I
began to see that spark of divinity within others, especially those thought
to be unlovable, those so-called criminals that paraded before me on a daily
basis.  However, when I began to read all the Jesus postings, the judgments
began coming up again, not as strong as they would have been, but I must
admit, there were some judgments there.  So what I did was I prayed to Jesus,
and I also prayed to Buddha, I prayed to Ganesha, I prayed to Babaji and all
the others to release me from my thoughts of judging, my thoughts of he's
wrong, he's less than and I'm right, I know the real truth, so I'm better,
etc.
                                                                         It's
been a great reality check for me, these last few days.  I like to think of
myself as fairly nonjudgmental, but *OUCH* the fact is I'm still working on
it, I've got a way to go still, and it's forced me to look at myself, where
am I preaching, where am I saying it's my way or the highway, where am I
right and you're wrong, because I believe Student's posting wouldn't have
shown up on my computer if I hadn't attracted it to be there in the first
place.  So again, *OUCH* *OUCH*.   If I get any more food for thought, I
think I'll get indigestion.      Many Blessings to You All, Christine



Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: unsubbing
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At 09:49 PM 8/25/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>School starts this week, and I've never been able to maintain balance in my
>life with both school and email lists, so I'll be unsubbing.  I'll check
>back in with you during semester breaks or when I feel I'm caught up...
>
>I will let you know how things turn out with the forged email problem.  
>
>Thank you for all you've given me...

wow Maimu, such short notice. it was really nice having a chance to exchange
email and such with you. I wish you the best at school. take care!

Dan.
>
>Much Love and Light,
>
>Maimu
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>    When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather......
>     Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did.
>
>
Dan.
There are always possibilities...


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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: my 2 bits

I seem to have had the opposite problem of many of you.  My parents 
were two (agnostic) lefties who came out of WWII hating religion.  
Fortunately, they extended freedom of belief to their children but it 
was odd being the only one in the family with a connection to God and 
transcendent experiences, especially in the '50s.  From my teens I felt 
an inexplicable, persistent and compelling need to become a Jew.  After 
25 years, I did. Still don't know quite why.  Some say it is because of 
a past life -- so many Jewish lives were unfinished because of the 
Holocaust.  Maybe, but I'm not convinced.  But I've often thought that 
I might not have had the awakening had my spiritual road been 
conventional and smooth.
Wha'dya think?!

Holly 

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: "end" result

G'morning and/or G'day to ALL,

Thank you for all your responses to my question.  I guess we'll never be
"done."  But I find myself getting more & more loving towards people.  People
and situations just don't "get" me like they used to.  Oh yes, I still do
deal with my ego self at times, but it's getting less & less.

So, if the K process is to get me to the point of unconditional love of all
people, all things, all situations, regardless of whether they are labeled by
others as positive or negative, then I'm all for it.  It sure FEELS better to
walk around in a love bubble compared to what I used to feel like!

And I can imagine that when I have total unconditonal love going inside, what
I might attract to myself.  I'm already seeing the changes being mirrored to
me from the outside, and I love it!  I felt like I was trudging through the
muck, getting NOWHERE for so long, it's nice now that the inner changes have
started to make it to the outside where I can actually see & feel it
physically.  It has not all been for naught, and BELEIVE ME, I USED TO THINK
IT WAS, because for a time, it was one brick wall after another with hardly
any joy or rest in between.

I feel like I'm coming out the other side now, although I'm not through yet.
 I still feel K running through, I still feel fear bubbling up at times for
release.  But I'm in much more enjoyment of the process now.
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I hope that for any of you who are going through what seems to be endless
pain with no way out, that you'll realize that I am no different than you.  I
am you, and you are me, AND YOU WILL MAKE IT TOO.  If you close your eyes
right now, and tap into the love & compassion I feel for you, I swear you
will feel it.  Go into your heart, I will give you an extra boost when you
need it.  Really, I'm not kidding!  Try it....

Love & Blessings,  Barb ATNOSPAM--}}--}}--

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: It's Back!!!!!!!

Love the dandruff joke Dan- nothing like that :D LOL!!!!
L&L,
Lori

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Re: JC and Maimu

V487ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi: Debee
> 
> >I too am born-again.  The 11th of September 1977 to be exact.  I too did
> not appreciate the 'limited' view which was taught.  I too am much happer
> and my life more fulfilled than ever before.  There are many of us
> Student.  Care to stay and learn a little with us?  Share?  But please,
> don't condemn that which you yourself do not understand in a personal
> way.  I know your way, but you do not understand mine.  You follow what
> you are taught and this is not bad, however, some of us follow where our
> own heart and soul leads us.  This is not bad either.  Please keep your
> judgment and condemnation to yourself.  You are in no position to do
> either to another living soul.<
> 
> I really don't think any one would have gotten up set if these people
> concerned would not come on so strong and infer that we will all go to hell.
>  Also saying that they are the only ones that are right and every one else is
> wrong   In other word don't preach to us.
> 
> You have you own opinion, but don't force it one us.
> 
> Love,
> Von
Remember that Jesus is said to have said, "I have other flocks," --
beyond the Jews and gentiles that he knew in the area around Jerusalem
and Galilee.

To me, this is one of the more provocative statements in the scriptures.

Love to all, Bill



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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Re: JC and Maimu

V487ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi: Debee
> 
> >I too am born-again.  The 11th of September 1977 to be exact.  I too did
> not appreciate the 'limited' view which was taught.  I too am much happer
> and my life more fulfilled than ever before.  There are many of us
> Student.  Care to stay and learn a little with us?  Share?  But please,
> don't condemn that which you yourself do not understand in a personal
> way.  I know your way, but you do not understand mine.  You follow what
> you are taught and this is not bad, however, some of us follow where our
> own heart and soul leads us.  This is not bad either.  Please keep your
> judgment and condemnation to yourself.  You are in no position to do
> either to another living soul.<
> 
> I really don't think any one would have gotten up set if these people
> concerned would not come on so strong and infer that we will all go to hell.
>  Also saying that they are the only ones that are right and every one else is
> wrong   In other word don't preach to us.
> 
> You have you own opinion, but don't force it one us.
> 
> Love,
> Von
Remember, Jesus is said to have said, "I have other flocks."  Others
besides the Jews and those particular gentiles that he knew.  This to me
is one of the more intriguing statements in the scriptures.

Love to all, Bill



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: unsubbing
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Maimu,
Classes also start for me today, I am going to stay with the list for as long
as I can and work to find the balance, I believe that this list will help me
when I need a break from school and 'reality'   I have enjoyed your
input to the list and hate to see you go. Good luck with classes and keep in
touch!
Light and love,
Lori

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Re Responsibility To Jule

Jule-
What an incredible post!  I am so glad that I read it before going onto
campus today, with a million things to do ahead of me.  But reading your post
reminded me that it is okay to evalutae something before saying yes or no and
remembering what are my responsibilities and priorites.  Thank you so much
for sharing!  The timing was perfect (for me)!  No coincidence!  Jule- I have
found you to be very enlightened with a wonderful grasp on
reality/life/Kundalini/family, etc.... I could continue, you have made such a
diffeerence, Thank you!  
Light and Love,
Lori



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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Phenomenon-Mary

Mary,
When I saw phenomenon, I was upset that they explained it all with a brain
tumor, but understood why it was necessary.  I think that for those of us,
who have experienced the 'unbelievable'  to most people, can look at this
movie through very different eyes.  I thought it was a wonderful movie and
when I left I was very energized and felt like singing (even though I had
been crying).  It felt like a release of something that I could not quite put
my finger on.  Anyway, I think John Trsvolta did a wonderful job with the
movie and that he has something going on in his real life that he can't talk
about for fear of losing his credibility, IMHO!
Feel Better!
In light and Love,
Lori


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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: More Weirdness- Dan

Wow Dan that is some serious wierdness- wish I could explain i for you, but I
would be just as baffled as you if I had seen it happen!  Keep us informed on
what happens next.  Hope someone here will have an answer for you!
L&L,
Lori
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Re: Location

Mary Knapp wrote:
> 
> At 04:20 PM 8/23/96 -0500, William P. Wilkes wrote:
> >Mary Knapp wrote:
> >> When we get into all our weird synchronicities I keep wanting to plot them
> >> on a map and see what comes up.  The letter K maybe?  A snake?
> >> But more seriously folks: Where are we all around the globe?  It would be
> >> interesting to know and to see.  Are we in pockets?  Spread out?  Evenly?
> >> Does the list have 7 chakras?  Maybe more.
> >> interested.  I hope you are.
> >> Mary
> >>
> >       Yes, Mary, I'd very much like to receive a map like that.  Thank you
> >very much for your offer.
> 
> Lots of people want to see the map, but we only have three locations sent so
> far. Not much of a map.  Perhaps as an inducement we should say, you don't
> get to see it unless you contribute to it???
Mary, my location is University of Mississippi, Dept. of Psychology,
University, MS 38655 (pywilkesATNOSPAMsunset.backbone.olemiss.edu).  About 65
mi. SE of Memphis, Tennessee.  L & L, Bill


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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Re: Fw: Responsibilty

Rondi McBoyer wrote:
> 
> ----------
> > From: Rondi McBoyer 
> > To: Arlene Benjamin 
> >
> > Well Said Arlene.
> > BTW, what does Namaste' mean?
> > Rondi
> > ----------
> > > From: Arlene Benjamin 
> > > To: kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com
> > >
> > > Hi All: > > > Let's generate some super positive energy today to send to
those who > need > > it. > > > Including ourselves. > > > I agree with Von.
Each of us is responsible for ourselves. This > includes > > those > > > who
remain in the darkness at this time. Yet, each and everyone of us has > > been
> > > there. We are all at different levels of growth and/or awareness. I >
think > > it > > > is important to focus on our own Light and growth, which
ultimately > > affects > > > those around us. This is where we need to
say...Hey, I'm being attacked > > or > > > the focus of someone's dark
thoughts...so what can we do? I feel it is > in > > times > > > such as this
that provide us with opportunities for further growth. It > is > > up to > > >
us. We are the only thinkers in our minds and if we allow someone to > >
disturb > > > our peace of mind, our serenity...well, then they have done what
they > > wanted to. > > > > > > It is at times such as these that we can gain
in strength of mind. > There > > is > > > a reason and purpose for everything
that occurs. What we do about it or > > don't do > > > about it is our
responsibility. > > > > > > This, of course, is my opinion. I can see with
myself just in the past > > few > > > months how much I have changed...my
perspective, attitude, beliefs...It > > is a > > > continuous process and one
we can do with an open heart and mind. > > > > > > I was at the church-going
level at one time several years ago. Needless > > to say, > > > I have moved on.
Yet, at the time it is exactly what I needed. I feel I > > > benefitted from
that experience in many ways. It helped me to do some > > house- > > > cleaning
of my cobwebbed mind and it also challenged me where I was at. > > > > > > So
we can either FEAR these people that want to send voodoo or preach > > their >
> > gospel...That is exactly what it is about. Just like bombing planes and > >
the > > > Olypmics...these people want us to be immobilized by FEAR!!! Or we
can > > choose > > > to remain peaceful and send them Light. > > > > > > And as
Von said Energy is Energy...it all has a purpose. It is up to us > > what we >
> > choose, individually or collectively, do with it. > > > > > > Thanks for
listening to my sermon! LOL!!! > > > > > > Love and Light, > > >
Namaste'...Arlene > > > Peace begins at home* > > >
I KNOW that serenity, peace, calm, are important, but isn't it even more
important HOW they are achieved?  What do we trust IN.  Where does our
peace come FROM?  Or is this, in the world of kundalini, irrelevant?
L & L, Bill



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: "Michael J. Davis" 
Subject: Health Problems

Hello All:

I have been sitting back on the list not saying to much, but over the last
few days I have become rather alarmed. 

I have been reading all of the posts that folks have made concerning health
problems and have talked privately with several individuals. What I have
found is that there are quite a few people not doing any of the "standard"
breathing or other related exercises to help the system deal with the influx
of energy.
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At its most basic root, kundalini is chi kung or "energy work" (loose
translation). Along with this comes particular breathing exercises and other
things such as keeping the tongue to the roof of the mouth. Without these,
you run the risk of causing harm to yourself. Both physically and emotionally. 

Rather than just throwing alot of information out there that not everyone is
interested in, please e-mail me if you'd like more.

Michael
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*******************************
Michael J. Davis
Independent Network Consultant
mjdavisATNOSPAMcompassnet.com
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Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.



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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Health Problems

Michael,
I agree so much, there is very little talk about meditation which is really
when the alignments happen. And, one doesn't really move with the energies in
the body unless really open and detached. I would love to talk to you
sometime about this. Gloria
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Responsibilty

Dear Bill,

I know your question wasn't really for me, but I'll attempt to answer it
anyway, since it was posted on the list, rather than individually sent.

I can only speak for myself, but I have found that peace, calm, serenity,
trust, etc. is arrived at through the self.  It is not through others' books,
sermons, seminars, friendship, etc. although those things can be PART of the
process of finding yourself.

What I do is take a few quiet moments, close my eyes, and go into my heart
center.  There I imagine all the love that I feel for the people & nature in
my life.  I see & FEEL that as pink, warm energy.  Then I expand that energy
outward as far as I can, universally if possible, because there is always
enough love - it can never be depleted.

Next I realize that that expanded energy IS ME, not this physical body.  That
is who I REALLY AM - that love energy.  Immediately I pop from my physical
body and become the expansive energy that is so huge (in my visualization).
 From that perspective, I can look at anything or anybody unpleasant in my
life, and enfold or embrace them into my expansive love energy self, rather
than being seperate from them.

After I embrace them into myself, I watch to see what happens next.  In some
form or other, that negative energy transforms or transmutes into the lighter
love energy - love conquers all!

The more I do this, the more expansive I get, the more loving I get, and the
more I allow those negative things to leave my life - when you love
something, you set it free.  When you fight & struggle with fear, you bind it
to yourself.

Can you see that everything in my life is MY RESPONSIBILITY?  To trust in the
outside world, I have to go within and trust there.  I must be calm inside to
experience it physically.  Same as with peace.  EVERYTHING HAPPENS INSIDE
FIRST!

If you try this little feeling/visualization, I think you'll find how much
you actually can trust yourself, love yourself, be peaceful & calm.  All it
takes is a bit of a different perception.  Good luck!
                            Blessings & Peace,  Barb 


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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: K and CFS

On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Royale Jills wrote:

> I have not know of any connection between K. and health although there probalby is.  I 
> do know that fully realized people do get sick and even die.  Royale
> 
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Since people apparently experience symptoms of psychosis durring a K. 
awakening, what guide lines does someone use to understand whether a 
person is psychotic or an emotionaly healthy person experiencing K?



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: K and CFS
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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Denise Clausen wrote:

> JheyeATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Everyone,
> > 
> > My name is Jennifer and I am new to the list.  I have had chronic fatigue
> > syndrome for 9 years.  I worked through most of my illness, but over the past
> > almost 4 years I have been too sick to work and have been on disability.
> >  Over the past month or so I have been experiencing the symptoms of the
> > movement of Kundalini- involuntary body movements, belly breathing, etc.  I
> > work with two energy healers who have assured me that I am having a K
> > experience.  I am wondering if anyone has ever come to Kundalini through
> > illness.  Has anyone been cured from illness  after going through K?  This,
> > of course is my hope, but I have been feeling more tired than ever.  Thanks
> > for any advice/feedback that you could give to a newcomer to the experience
> > of Kundalini.
> > 
> > Jennifer
> 
> I have been very depleted at times and these are the times that seem to be when 
> kundalini strikes the hardest!
>    Denise

I don't suffer from chronic fatigue, but I find that when I do relaxation 
exercises a few times a day, I feel happier and more energetic.

Mac

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: coincidence

> 
> One of the first things that I learned was that there is no such thing as coincidence!
> 

I believe in synchronisity; I also do believe in coincidence.

Mac



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: test

On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Michael J. Davis wrote:

> Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.


OK.

Mac


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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: solicitation of film footage

If you are getting mail for solicitation of film footage on things like crop
circles and UFO's.

Be cautious as these things are free on the Internet, so don't get taken.

As always,
Von



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: JC and Maimu

Hi: Bill
-

>Remember that Jesus is said to have said, "I have other flocks," --
beyond the Jews and gentiles that he knew in the area around Jerusalem
and Galilee.

To me, this is one of the more provocative statements in the scriptures.<
--------------------------------------

I agree with you about flocks as I grew up on a farm way out in the country.
- I still remember going to the hen house every morning to see the flocks of
chickens.

The chickens were very provocative indeed and especially when they get
hungry.

A always.
Von 


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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Acronyms and abbreviations found in the posts.

What does "IMHO" mean?  I can't figure it out from the context.  I think
that L&L is Love & Light, and LOL has to be Lots of Light or Lots of
Love?

Have you time to enlighten me (us) by posting a glossary of the more
commonly used ones of these?  Many thanks.

Love & Light,  Bill


brain
us,
> who have experienced the 'unbelievable'  to most people, can look at this
> movie through very different eyes.  I thought it was a wonderful movie and
> when I left I was very energized and felt like singing (even though I had
> been crying).  It felt like a release of something that I could not quite put
> my finger on.  Anyway, I think John Trsvolta did a wonderful job with the
> movie and that he has something going on in his real life that he can't talk
> about for fear of losing his credibility, IMHO!
> Feel Better!
> In light and Love,
> Lori



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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Acronyms and abbreviations found in the posts.

Hi Bill

>What does "IMHO" mean?

International  Male  Homosexual Organization.
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I am surprised at you, Bill:)

Von


P.S. Enough of my wisdom for one day.  I am going to work now