kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 115 1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: Wendy Subject: irc i'm currently on irc if anyone wishes to chat about kundalini thanks wendy 2 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 From: Richard Satin Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this > >> ever felt like someone tapping or patting you on the head? :) > >> just curious. > > > >No, but I've felt what seems to be an invisible hat sitting on my head. > >Perhaps a helmet of some type? Oh! So that's what that tap-tap-tapping is.... Richard - When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. Abraham Maslow 3 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: ElmovolATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: JC, etcetera I think I need to smudge my computer. Many blessings, Christine 4 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber) Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this At 07:58 PM 8/23/96 -0500, Richard Satin wrote: >> >> ever felt like someone tapping or patting you on the head? :) >> >> just curious. >> > >> >No, but I've felt what seems to be an invisible hat sitting on my head. >> >Perhaps a helmet of some type? > >Oh! So that's what that tap-tap-tapping is.... Could be a woodpecker..... - Maimu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...... Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did. - 5 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: Denise ClausenSubject: Re: Mapping Rondi McBoyer wrote: > > Mary, > I am in New Hampshire, the seacoast area to be more exact. > How 'bout if you just forward all the messages to me and I'll keep a map > going.... All those who do not reply don't get one. > Don't worry about my silly question, it is the energy going through here > today, making me weirder than usual...disregard please. > Rondiok Rondi count me on your map by the way I like to make maps too but I just graph numbers, I live in Santa Cruz, Ca. 6 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: JESUS CHRIST Hi: Karol Ann Barnett >I know how you feel, but you have been misinformed. Eventually, if you are searching for truth, you will discover that during the Justinian period, I believe it was, the forces in power corrupted the biblical texts and changed the wording to something that it was never intended to do -- it was used a weapon to control people through fear and through guilt. - Do you own research, go back to the original texts, and pray. Discover your own truth and please -- don't preach to us. We will 'save' ourselves or not, but it is our choice. < ------------------------------------------------- I always wonder why some people like your self can see it and some people can not. Do you really think you can change their thinking? How can one person do their home work like your self and another person just accept what ever the church dishes out. Guess that is why these churches are the best money making business in the world. If I was a high priest and not so good of a person then it would be great to keep all these people in the dark and control them. Then also get paid by them. It's big money! What an illusion!!!. Why would I want of go out side and pay a business to see God. He is here now with me and it's free. You won't find me accepting blind faith. Enough is enough. Von 7 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: JESUS CHRIST Al Perhacs >I appreciate your response, but could you please tell me how the texts were changed? Of course there have been people that manipulate for the sake of their personal gain, but that happens in all religions. The gospel is more accurate than any other document from that time. Give me an example of Christ's words changed and I will do the research.< Do you have any actual experience of what you are talking about other than reading from a book. If you do then share it with us. Take my word for it the bible has almost been completely changed to control the masses and make a fortune at the same time. Do your home and then come back and talk intelligently to us. Von >> - 8 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Dark side invasion Hi: Karol Ann << Utopia doesn't have to be this. It can be a state of mind. - Humans who accept their own power and use it with Divine Will soon experience this kind of elevated state, i'm coming to understand. Power as the ability to act; not the act itself. That we have the choice, the power to choose, is an immensity that i'm just now trying to understand. It's really huge, isn't it? But the utopia that i mention is not immediately available to most of us because of our blockages and limitations, which we are working to remove. But we still have the ability to have a utopic state of mind, and i'm working on being a resident of THAT state *8-). >> ---------------------------------------- Thanks for reading my mind again. That makes it so easy for me. Love, Von 9 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: Mary Knapp Subject: A pattern is emerging and it's Yup! A two headed snake. The heads are in the northeast. The body undulates through Ohio and Arizona to rise in WA state. Big tail portion in CA, naturally. How long will the snake stay a snake? It's up to you. We could go for seven heads I suppose. The overseas votes have not come in at all yet. - Get your location in so we can connnect the dots and have more fun with playground earth. 10 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: Odette Dumas Subject: Advocate of the devil...?!? Richard, Royale and all, Thanks for your words of a good spirit ! Yet I don't have a real pitchfork, I enjoy very much pitching darts in the minds of people whose thoughts are too securizing to wanna look elsewhere... Well, my friends, what do we have to do with all this Jesus's stuff and history ? Don't ever forget that we were ( almost ) all endoctrinated by a religion, a culture, and each speaks for its parrish ! The first step is definitely to free one's mind-heart-and-soul of these infos ( delete! )in order to really feel our inner voice. Seems easy ? It in fact is, if you choose so. I hear voices saying " Yeah... and how do you know that you really hear your inner voice instead of any other influence ? " I'd say, blandly, you can recognize your voice when you speak, so, you shall learn to hear your inner voice when you're attuned to connect to it! The fact is that most of the people are not used to think by themselves: always relying on other persons opinions, books, gurus... I've been advocating for the urge to reach for one's full integrity for so many years... to me, it's the surest path to see one's light. I've learned not to judge too promptly, everything being under the law of relativity. Now, I must hit the bed but I promess that I'll be back. Meanwhile, I send you vibes of uncontionnal love and a bunch of kisses. Odette Redouter l'ironie, c'est avoir peur de la raison- Sacha Guitry - 11 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Responsibilty HI all, This is just another example of the importance of detachment. Where there is detachment, whatever happens is perfect because it is happening, but because of detachment there is no ego reaction. This is a big world, people move into and through things at their own pace, this person obviously needs love and understanding so that he/she will see beyond the need to project beliefs one way or the other. These tests are sure to arise regularly, when there is no reaction at all, then we will see that detachment has become at least grounded into the consciousness. How can our bodies experience the energy of kundalini without detachment? Many symptoms come and on quickly while riding the wave of k, so this is coming in to help teach the same principal on a mental/emotional level. Isn't it perfect that these forces come in to teach that lesson? Gloria - 12 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this Dan, This is only one of many many things to come through the awakening to the light body. I am amazed when people think that becoming enlightened isn't physical, it is extremely physical. That is why detachment is absolutely essential, one must ride the wave and learn that everything that comes along in the process is perfect. Maybe people like to share the experiences so that the discussion will evolve. But, I would always work to recognize that the less attention to phenomena the better. This has been my experience for most of my life and I could write and book about all the day to day stuff. But, it doesn't mean anything. You know what I mean. God Bless Gloria - 13 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this Dan, This is only one of many many things to come through the awakening to the light body. I am amazed when people think that becoming enlightened isn't physical, it is extremely physical. That is why detachment is absolutely essential, one must ride the wave and learn that everything that comes along in the process is perfect. Maybe people like to share the experiences so that the discussion will evolve. But, I would always work to recognize that the less attention to phenomena the better. This has been my experience for most of my life and I could write a book about all the day to day stuff. But, it doesn't mean anything. You know what I mean. God Bless Gloria 14 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this At 04:42 PM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >> John, ever felt like someone tapping or patting you on the head? :) >> just curious. > >No, but I've felt what seems to be an invisible hat sitting on my head. >Perhaps a helmet of some type? close enough, I guess... grin. never did figure out what that was about. :) - > >John Carlson > > Dan. There are always possibilities... - 15 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: Responsibilty At 03:46 PM 8/23/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi All: >I agree with Von. Each of us is responsible for ourselves. This includes those >who remain in the darkness at this time. Yet, each and everyone of us has been >there. We are all at different levels of growth and/or awareness. I think it >is important to focus on our own Light and growth, which ultimately affects >those around us. This is where we need to say...Hey, I'm being attacked or >the focus of someone's dark thoughts...so what can we do? I feel it is in times >such as this that provide us with opportunities for further growth. It is up to >us. We are the only thinkers in our minds and if we allow someone to disturb >our peace of mind, our serenity...well, then they have done what they wanted >to. I only half agree. you cannot POSSIBLY be 100% responsible for other peoples actions. that is like saying you are responsible for the killer murdering you. perhaps thats a bit too much of an exageration, but you have no control over the wills of others. like physical attacks, i believe there can be similar psychic attacks. some of these are for energy (ie: energy vampires). you cant go around carrying the responsibility for everyone else as well as yourself... Dan. Dan. There are always possibilities... 16 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this At 11:15 PM 8/23/96 -0400, you wrote: >Dan, >This is only one of many many things to come through the awakening to the >light body. I am amazed when people think that becoming enlightened isn't >physical, it is extremely physical. That is why detachment is absolutely >essential, one must ride the wave and learn that everything that comes along >in the process is perfect. Maybe people like to share the experiences so that >the discussion will evolve. But, I would always work to recognize that the >less attention to phenomena the better. This has been my experience for most >of my life and I could write and book about all the day to day stuff. But, it >doesn't mean anything. You know what I mean. God Bless Gloria > but, discussion evolves. perhaps if you read the celestine prophecy you'd understand. disconnection yes, i am aware. but someone has to evolve those on this list. is it my job? perhaps not, but from time to time it does no harm. Dan. Dan. There are always possibilities... 17 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber) Subject: Re: Advocate of the devil...?!? At 10:53 PM 8/23/96 -0700, Odette Dumas wrote: >The first step is definitely to free one's mind-heart-and-soul of these >infos ( delete! )in order to really feel our inner voice. Seems easy ? It >in fact is, if you choose so. It is easy...it's making the choice that's the hard part.... A s a part of my own work on eliminating other's voices (which usually serve to judge and belittle, rather than nurture and engender) I did a practical exercise which worked in helping me find my own voice. I took a sheet of paper, drew wide colums, and across the top of each wrote: 1) My family says: 2) The church says: 3) Society says: 4) My friends say: 5) I say: Then, down the left hand side, I wrote a number of things, such as: Sex Money - Marriage Women's role Man's role Religion Child raising - Education Divorce Abortion Guns Pornography - Career You get the idea. It was like a large grid. Then I started filling in the blanks. For example, for Religion: I put down, (Across the top, but this is more efficient in this format....) 1) my family says: We are Christian, and we SHOULD go to church, even if we don't actually do it 2) the church says: You will be saved if you give us your time and money. 3) society says: Religion is important. If you go to church, you are a "good" person. If you donate time and money, you are a "better" person. Even if you aren't a regular, you should go to church for special events and holidays. 4) my friends say: It is more important to have a personal higher power in your heart than to go to church. There is a difference between spirituality and religion. No one needs a middle man to speak with their higher power. 5) I say.... and I had no answer. - And you know...I had to sit there for a long time, asking myself how I felt. Up until I had sorted it out, I had easily just gone along with whichever group was the most comfortable, dependong on who's presence I was in, and yet I always knew it didn't feel right...like I wasn't quite sure. And I had to really examine it. Finally, I came up with that I probably feel the most like my friends do...after all...we are all friends because we have a lot of things in common, including our general attitudes about htings. And it gave me clarity and strentgh to recognize and experss my own feelings when I was in discussion with others. However, since I did that exericise, my feelings have changed even more, and are even less like most of my friends....call it individuation or separation. I am becoming more independent in my thinking. The same is true of all the other categories. Once I was able to determine clearly the messages I got from the others, only then was I able to start thinking about my own feelings. Until then, it was all a jumble of voices in my head. Now I know when it's someone elses voice or not. If it is, I simply toss it out. I never act on anyone else's voice until I ask myself how I feel. Sometimes I concur. Sometimes I don't. Either way, I behave with my own mind, not due to a history of programming. I know this all sounds like a bunch of psychobabble or something....but I've been doing a lot of work to unblock my chakras so the energies can flow balanced...and meditation, chi kung, movements, or any of that can only go so far. At some point, we have to start opening up that trunk of "stuff" from all our years of childhood, adolescence, and early adulthood and start to look at it to see what we want to keep and what we want to toss. We have to heal ourselves mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually in order to integrate our souls. We have to find and accept *all* parts of ourselves....not just the part we like and present to the world. Sorry I've rambled....but I really enjoy sharing about a lot of this stuff.... I'll end for now.... Maimu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...... Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did. 18 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 From: "I.Juster" Subject: Re: Responsibilty I just read through a whole raft of email from the group. I feel really good. The love and the togetherness really touched my heart. Our acceptance of each other, our willingness to be communinity, to talk, and to play, were really evident. I gained courage and strength from those of you who have faced problems with rude strangers via e-mail. Somehow knowing I am not alone made me feel really good. (while having genuine empathy for those having to deal with it.) Yes, we must not let fear oppress us. Yes, I join in affirming our list as a place to share in our k experiences. Hey, that's *enough* for one list, in case you couldn't tell! Certainly other lists will evolve to meet other demands. Receiving love and light, and sending love and light, Patti 19 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: To Wendy Re: Akashic records line Wendy, I have heard mentions of the Akashic Records before, but never known where to learn more. Any suggesstions? Thank you! In Light and Love, Lori 20 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Responsibilty >Hi Dan >I only half agree. you cannot POSSIBLY be 100% responsible for other peoples actions. that is like saying you are responsible for the killer murdering you. perhaps that's a bit too much of an exaggeration, but you have no control over the wills of others. like physical attacks, I believe there can be similar psychic attacks.< ------------------------------------------------- In the context that Arlene made about being responsible for some one else. My opinion was that she was talking mostly about someone in the dark. She said:"This includes those who remain in the darkness at this time." Don't you think that you should help your brothers and sisters that are stuck in the dark of their evolution? The faster they evolve the faster you evolve also. Do you think that you are different than they are? Do you really think that you are in fact not them? One of the trade marks of an evolved soul is not being able to tell the difference between any person. They are all you and you are all them or "only one." If you can separate and classify each person as being different than you are then the problem is in you. I can not see any difference in any one. We are all brothers and sisters and only one. If I hurt some one else then I am also hurt and maybe more than they are. Yes ,we have to go around carrying the responsibility because they are you. >some of these are for energy (ie: energy vampires).< They are not draining off you as a vampire , but you are draining off of them. You are rationalizing in your mind because your mind thinks it is separate. It can not stand to be told there is no ego. The reason you are in this life called Maya in the first place is just because you separate other people from your self. You are the one caught up in the game of elusion. Would you want God to tell you to just get lost. Don't you think you are a part of this higher consciousness or are you different? Do you go to the bath room sometimes? Do you have any respiration? What part of you is different? Are you different than the earth? My opinion. Love, Von 21 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this - Maimu- LOL on the woodpecker answer! :D Loved it! Humor is wonderful! L&L, Lori Even though I know it is serious... but it was funny, comic relief can work wonders! - 22 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber) Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this At 03:22 AM 8/24/96 -0400, LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote: >Maimu- >LOL on the woodpecker answer! :D Loved it! Humor is wonderful! > >L&L, >Lori >Even though I know it is serious... but it was funny, comic relief can work >wonders! Thank you. Sometimes balancing seriousness with humor can be tough. We have to make sure we are laughing *with* people and not *at* them. I have not heard from Dan and John. I hope you guys are laughing too. :-) Maimu - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...... Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did. 23 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: Arlene Benjamin Subject: Re:Advocate of the devil - Maimu: Thanks for sharing that. This is something I have been working on. It's a very enlightening process. Love and Light, Namaste'...Arlene Peace begins at home* - 24 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re "K" and the HS Hi everyone: Surely when the disciples received the Holy Spirit in the upper room at Pentecost they went through "K" experience. It sure sounds like one to me. They acted drunk, had flames of fire on their heads, spoke in other tongues, and could be understood by everyone. Now that sounds a lot like my feeling unbalanced for at least a year afterwards, ----I could not even walk straight because I felt as if the ground were dissolving underneath my feet. Seemed a lot like being drunk. The energies were roaring through my body, and so at times I didn't even make sense to myself, a lot like drunks. Then I still have white flames of light above my head. Now the energy has settled, I can explain things a lot better to people than I could before "K". Not sure i can be understood by all people but then neither could the disciples, but i do a lot better job than i did. And I notice do do others on the list. Snowbird: I agree with you since "K" I understand the mission of Jesus much better. And yes I still follow him although like Richard my interpretation is different. I think of Jesus as being part of a Christ consciousness group that we can all aspire to eventually. The group is an entity on it's own and is the Son of God, not a single individual called Jesus. The most surprising thing of all is that I have been handed keys to understanding the Old Testament, which I used to hate, because I saw God there as being too judgemental. Now I understand it to be a treatise on "K". And god to be a loving father who has been nurturing us all along. it is so different now. Love Jule - 25 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: the top of the head Hi everyone: When I went through "K", I felt as if I had a cone on the top of my head. It was very heavy. Then after a few days I popped through, rather like a cork out of a bottle. Actually it reminded me of a baby being stuck in the birth canal for a while, and finally being freed. Later I came across the hour glass idea and realised it was as if I'd gone through the lower half of an hourglass into the top part where everything began to open out. I also saw new realities ,different planes etc. once I popped through. Have also felt other feelings involving the head. Lots of "K" waves of energy. The sound which is like a crystal resonating and is behind both ears, and sometimes at the top of the head. When this first happened, it was as if someone turned on a switch. My whole skull resonated, I thought it would shatter. It felt as if I had a crysal skull. But then the rate of vibration was lowered to a comfortable level. Have also at times felt as if I had a corkscrew boring into the area of the crown chakra. I'm assuming this is the way I experience that chakra. Well more weirdness. Love Jule - 26 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: Royale Jills Subject: Re: Ages Dan. The age of Capricorn.Royale - 27 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: Responsibilty At 02:31 AM 8/24/96 -0400, you wrote: Von, you may be correct in a different density, but we are presently in a 3rd dimensional reality, 3rd density. think about it, time is meaningless to such spiritual beings that you speak of, and yet, in this reality, time is necessary (or why must we wait for anything, it is not necessary in the "whole" or collective), in this reality, time is the glue that holds things together. in this reality, "being" "conciousness" and "personality" are seperate, and yet the same, however, once again we are in a physical reality. your analogy is like saying (in the physical) you are jeffrey dalmer, and are therefor responsible for his acts. Yes, i'm exagerrating, but again, my point is, in this reality, the here and now, such things dont apply. as yet anyhow. we cannot read others thoughts yet, therefore they ARE seperate from us. by this mere point should be enough to show you they are seperate entities. yes, we should help the others who are in the dark, and send them energy, etc etc, I never said anything contradictory to that. this is very important, as time grows shorter. perhaps i took Arlene's message to be a different meaning, or miscontrued her intention, it is possible in this medium. just as you seem to have overlooked the 3rd dimensional meaning of my message. we are part of a collective, yes, but that is a different form of collective. first of all, i am an atheist. which is my right, and it is no more wrong or right than your belief in your "god". i dont really have a problem with either belief, until someone tries to ram their own belief down anothers throat (like some christians or televangelists). but enough of that discussion. "god" doesnt exist for me, never has, and never will. you have no right to say otherwise. and there is nothing wrong or right in either view. oh there most certainly IS an ego, and if you had seen my recent messages, you'd see how ever aware of ego I am. when did I ever say there was no ego? i think you seriously misread my message. that was never stated, nor even mildly implied at any point. as for being different, different from earth, yes, i am. am i proud of it? no, not terribly. my home is far away. mother earth has accepted me, while i will never truly be one of her children, and therefore, i feel alone (it is hard), it is home for the here and now, and for that, i am eternally greatful. i accept your opinion, can you accept mine? i am not hard-lining, not trying to be, its a basic character trait of a gemini to be mutable, and i am, more than you know. may i ask you why we seem to be arguing when we are both correct? :) Dan. There are always possibilities... 28 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: has anyone else felt this At 06:24 AM 8/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 03:22 AM 8/24/96 -0400, LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote: >>Maimu- > >Thank you. Sometimes balancing seriousness with humor can be tough. We >have to make sure we are laughing *with* people and not *at* them. I have >not heard from Dan and John. I hope you guys are laughing too. :-) > >Maimu I replied... must have gotten lost in the "mail" Dan. Dan. There are always possibilities... 29 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: something interesting for you all Here's a nifty quote I happened apon, through my journeys, hope you like it: Brilliant cascades ever flowing into our hearts and minds carrying us away to secret places and to each, our secret dreams. It always seems to cheer me up, make me smile... and... would you believe this is a CORPORATE slogan for a VERY large company? (I hope they don't sue me for posting it). :) Dan. There are always possibilities... 30 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: A pattern is emerging and it's At 07:24 PM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote: > Yup! A two headed snake. The heads are in the northeast. The body >undulates through Ohio and Arizona to rise in WA state. Big tail portion in >CA, naturally. > >How long will the snake stay a snake? It's up to you. > >We could go for seven heads I suppose. The overseas votes have not come in >at all yet. > wouldnt it then be called a "hydra" ? cant remember any of the names for these things... >Get your location in so we can connnect the dots and have more fun with >playground earth. > > Dan. There are always possibilities...