kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 112 

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re JC

Before I get into that I hope everyone is feeling better.

My first thought was oops is it a full moon?

But seriously Richard I liked your reply.  

I too began by being a born again Christian, and because of what happened to
me was forced to put it into a wider framework of all the world religions.
 It seems to me that it takes a certain kind of courage, the kind of courage,
that runs into brick walls if necessary and demolishes them, in order to do
so.  We all reach a point if we need to grow, where we have to discard all
our previous conditioning/ideas and formulate something that fits into our
own experience.  Most folks don't want to do this, it's too scarey.  They
want to be told what to believe.

As far as the accusation of being in league with the devil.  Well my answer
is it takes one to know one.  In other words people who speak a lot about the
devil  usually know him well and have first hand.knowledge of him.
 
Those of us who have broken through the wall are actually more like
Jesus.(even if we know nothing of Christianity),  He turned his back on the
devil and so did we.  Our only concern is to know spirit directly.  Of the
devil we know nothing, because we sent him packing, when we sent all that
conditioning packing.

Just thought I'd share these thoughts with you, because there are "students"
all over the place, and we do occasionally have to deal with them face to
face. They are in a very uncomfortable place, even though theydon't know it.

Love to all 
Jule

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re:  where are we?

When we get into all our weird synchronicities I keep wanting to plot them
on a map and see what comes up.  The letter K maybe?  A snake?  

But more seriously folks: Where are we all around the globe?  It would be
interesting to know and to see.  Are we in pockets?  Spread out?  Evenly?
Does the list have 7 chakras?  Maybe more.

interested.  I hope you are.

Mary



At 01:50 PM 8/23/96 -0400, LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
>I do have recently begun to experience flashes of light at night when I go to
>sleep.  Mine are bright, white streaks that seem to play out on a movie
>scrren which are the backs of ky eye lids.  Last night for the first time I
>had almost a spontaneous OBE.  I was probably 2/3rd of the way out when I was
>jolted back like something stopped me- like I hit a brick wall.  It was quite
>strange, I had just laid down and not even tried to do anything when itall
>began.  I am experiencing all this wierdness too.  Is it normal for some many
>people to have the 'same type' of K expeience at the 'same time'- or is it
>that we are all talking about it right now?
>
>Sending light and love to you all,
>Lori
>(Still trying to catch up on all the old mail.... :D )
>
>
>



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: eyes, flashes of light

Lori:

I have had exactly the same kind of experiences with the TV screen
and the visions.  I haven't had it in a while though.  I sure enjoy 
it when it happens.  I love a good mystery...

I think there will be a number of 'symptoms' that all will have and then 
some 'symptoms' that will be individualized.  

I hope most of your experiences are positive for you.

Karol Ann



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs" 
Subject: Re: JESUS CHRIST

To All,
 
I think the way the student posted was a bit off base, but the fact of 
the matter is that he is right, and that I believe a lot of you are in 
for a suprise when you have breathed your last breath,and realize you had 
your ladder up against the wrong house!
 
I shouldn't even post this, realizing that most of you know what your 
doing and what side you are on, so it comes as no surprise to me on the 
negative feedback that the student got.
 
I am part of this list because I am very active in energy work, and 
although a lot of Christians would not agree with that, and to some 
extent are closed minded in regards to these matters. I would not even 
have weighed in except that to be silent would be hipocritocal as a 
Christian.

A lot of you are very misguided in thinking that the path you are on can 
lead anywhere but to more misery and pain that I hear many of you talk 
about every day on this list. The energy is energy and is not good or 
bad, but how you use it. I hear people say Christ Consiousness and Holy 
Spirit, but when someone mentions Jesus Christ, the only son of God, 
dying for YOUR sins, you get bent out of shape. 
  
Some of you also interpret your light as THE LIGHT, and unfortunately you 
are being mislead in some respects to that light. The forces of darkness 
can manufacture any picture that you want to see, and make you believe 
that it is the truth or the way. 
- 
I know some of you see the entities around you and it is because of your 
energy, they are attracted to you, and in most cases wish that they had 
the chance to be back on your side instead of being earth bound for the 
rest of their existance. Why do you think they are there? With that light 
you will also attract Yin and Yang Angels as well as Demons that will 
pervert your understanding of what the truth is. Most of what some of you 
are chanelling are deceivers and this will prove out as the entity 
manupulates you more and more for their purposes.
 
Sorry to rain on anyones parade, and I'm sure that I'll catch some of 
your heat, but hey, thats the way these lists go. I just felt that I had 
to speak up an tell the truth as I know it and if anyone doubts it, do 
the research and you will discover the truth as it is. One more thing, if 
Jesus Christ is not the son of God, why does the mere mention of his name 
get so many people agitated? No other name in the world has the power 
that the spoken name of JESUS CHRIST has, and is proven everyday. "I am a 
believer and these signs do follow me In the name of Jesus I cast out 
demons, I speak with new tongues, I lay hands on the sick and they do 
recover" (Mark 16: 17-18). 
- 
I enjoy this list and have heard some very good insights and information 
to corroborate my own, and don't always agree with what is being said, So 
I don't expect everyone to like my post either. From an energy standpoint 
I think a lot of you have manifested the energy either by chance or luck, 
but really don't know how to handle it or control it. That is why so many 
of you have migraines and such, because you forced the energy through 
your head, and didn't build up the nerve fibres in your arms and legs to 
act as a pressure release for the energy. Some have died from this 
because their body is not used to the increased pressure that is put on 
it from the Kundalini energy. Just thought I would add that point, 
because it is very apparent to me by a lot of the posts that I have read. 
  
Respectfully
 
Al Perhacs



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Dark side invasion

At 01:45 PM 8/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi: Dan
>
>>these are the times of darkness, and sadness, and it seems grief as well.<
>
>Yes and no.  In my opinion it is just energy.  You can use it to cure cancer
>or in the electric chair. Negative and positive at the same time.   When you
>see darkness, sadness, and grief you will also see souls waking up and trying
>to make the change for the better.  At this time we all have the energy to
>evolve or self-destruct.  We are the only thing on this earth that has a will
>for better or worse.  Do you know why we have a will and nothing else does?
>

yes and no. everything is just energy, true. but without balance, there is
no substance. black and white exist. i have begun to like the ying/yang
symbol to represent this (in the middle of black is some white and in the
middle of white is some black). good cannot exist without evil, there is no
such thing as utopia. this is whats wrong with ideals like "heaven", and so
called "prefect" spiritual societies i've seen posted all over the net. they
all overlook one very simple thing, actually a few simple things. that
"utopia" to the extreme means stagnation, which means all ceases to exist.
also if all wants and desires and needs no longer exist, then function also
ceases, and thus stagnation again. it is a perfectly flawless circle of
logic which some cannot see the "forest through the trees". I am the only
person I know who has found serious flaw with "utopia".

but back on topic. i'm not sure I agree at all. for these two, they are not
trying to make a change for the better, at least not of all. there is a
point here, for the benefit of "all" or for the benefit of "yourself". its
important.

as for the will thing you mention, seems completely non-sequitor to me. sorry.

>Don't worry about these people.  Just give them your support and love.  If
>they are not ready then you can talk your head off and they would not
>understand. 

that was not my point at all. i have left them behind, the one longer than
the other, but it has become time for me to move on, leave these people out
of my life.

>
>For a person that is aware and enlightened.  Every single leaf that falls
>from a tree has a very special meaning, but for another person that is not
>enlightened the whole tree could fall on him and still nothing. 

reminds me of those two. although more enlightened would marvel at the tree
and the leaf, they do not need it to fall.
Dan.
there are always possibilities...




Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: obe
-
i almost forgot to mention my spontaneous obe that happened in '92.

i was in bed, still awake.  suddenly and without any warning that i 
recognized, i felt an intense jolt in my solar plexus as if i had been 
zapped with a cattle prod.  instantly, my conscious awareness was 
hurtling through space at incredible speed, zipping so fast past the 
star light that the light was actually broken down into separate colors, 
if you can imagine that, like through a prism.

i was aware of it all, passing by me.  i felt that if i could just push a 
little harder or faster, i would break right through the veil into 
another dimension.  but my physical body was starting to hurt.  i don' t 
know if i was stretching the cord beyond its limit or what it was, but 
i couldn't go on because of the physical pain.  instantly, i was thrust 
back into my body.  

i still don't know what caused that experience or why it happened.  
no, i don't do drugs.  and i wasn't trying to rend the veil.  it was a 
spontaneous event that i know happens quite often to k experiencers, but 
it was certainly a 'trip' for me.  

karol ann



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: The Phoenix

At 10:51 AM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Dan, we are currently nearing the end of the age 
>of Pisces. ( about 300 yrs left.) 
>Royale
>

300? I dont think we have that kind of time left 

whats the next age?
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: JESUS CHRIST

Dear Al:

I know how you feel, but you have been misinformed.  Eventually, if 
you are searching for truth, you will discover that during the Justinian 
period, I believe it was, the forces in power corrupted the biblical 
texts and changed the wording to something that it was never intended to 
do -- it was used a weapon to control people through fear and through 
guilt.  

Do you own research, go back to the original texts, and pray.  Discover 
your own truth and please -- don't preach to us.  We will 'save' 
ourselves or not, but it is our choice.  
-
Thanks, Karol Ann Barnett



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Wendy 
Subject: Re: eyes, flashes of light

Hi Lori,
-
Power of suggestion? Mind? Hypnosis? K?

Good luck catching up on the mail!  I'm still behind..... 

Love,
Wendy

At 01:50 PM 8/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I do have recently begun to experience flashes of light at night when I go to
>sleep.  Mine are bright, white streaks that seem to play out on a movie
>scrren which are the backs of ky eye lids.  Last night for the first time I
>had almost a spontaneous OBE.  I was probably 2/3rd of the way out when I was
>jolted back like something stopped me- like I hit a brick wall.  It was quite
>strange, I had just laid down and not even tried to do anything when itall
>began.  I am experiencing all this wierdness too.  Is it normal for some many
>people to have the 'same type' of K expeience at the 'same time'- or is it
>that we are all talking about it right now?
>
>Sending light and love to you all,
>Lori
>(Still trying to catch up on all the old mail.... :D )
>
>



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: Dark side invasion
-
Wow, things are really hot on this list today!  Love it!

> yes and no. everything is just energy, true. but without balance, there is
> no substance. black and white exist. i have begun to like the ying/yang
> symbol to represent this (in the middle of black is some white and in the
> middle of white is some black). good cannot exist without evil, there is no
> such thing as utopia. this is whats wrong with ideals like "heaven", and so
> called "prefect" spiritual societies i've seen posted all over the net. they
> all overlook one very simple thing, actually a few simple things. that
> "utopia" to the extreme means stagnation, which means all ceases to exist.
> also if all wants and desires and needs no longer exist, then function also
> ceases, and thus stagnation again. it is a perfectly flawless circle of
> logic which some cannot see the "forest through the trees". I am the only
> person I know who has found serious flaw with "utopia".
> 

Utopia doesn't have to be this.  It can be a state of mind.  
Humans who accept their own power and use it with Divine Will soon 
experience this kind of elevated state, i'm coming to understand.  
-
Power as the ability to act; not the act itself.  That we have the 
choice, the power to choose, is an immensity that i'm just now trying to 
understand.  It's really huge, isn't it?  But the utopia that i mention 
is not immediately available to most of us because of our blockages and 
limitations, which we are working to remove.  But we still have the 
ability to have a utopic state of mind, and i'm working on being a 
resident of THAT state *8-).

karol ann
-


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs" 
Subject: Re: JESUS CHRIST

On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Karol Ann Barnett wrote:

> 
> 
> Dear Al:
> 
> I know how you feel, but you have been misinformed.  Eventually, if 
> you are searching for truth, you will discover that during the Justinian 
> period, I believe it was, the forces in power corrupted the biblical 
> texts and changed the wording to something that it was never intended to 
> do -- it was used a weapon to control people through fear and through 
> guilt.  
> 
-
Karol Ann,
 
I appreciate your response, but could you please tell me how the texts 
were changed? Of course there have been people that manipulate for the 
sake of their personal gain, but that happens in all religions. The 
gospel is more accurate than any other document from that time. Give me 
an example of Christ's words changed and I will do the research.

Respectfully
- 
Al Perhacs



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: "Samtack Computer Inc." 
Subject: posting error

We apologize for the incorrect post to this list recently. we are not part
of this list. please do not email us. we will endeaver not to make that
mistake again.

Samtack



Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: JESUS CHRIST
-
Dear Al:

Rather than me trying to persuade you to my viewpoint, 
I wish you would study the texts and form your own 
opinion.  

Karol Ann


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: The Phoenix

(as the 5th Dimension sings...)

It is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius
The Age of Aquarius-uuuussss
Aquari-ussssss!
Aqua-ri-uuuussss!
Harmony and understanding.....