kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 109 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 From: John Halonen Subject: Re: John's Laws Von, No offense taken. - But on the contrary, I find many things you say very insightful. Peace, John Halonen -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com \ America On-Line: (V487) To: Kundalini Subject: Re: John's Laws - Hi: John Halonen This is my personal opinion. I am not alway right, but most of the time I am. Don't be offended because that is not my intention. "Did you notice that we agree on almost nothing!" (Nothing) I have tried very hard to see what is the problem. - Do you have any of your own observations concerning this. Does anyone? It's just strange to me. As always, Von -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- - 2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com Subject: Re: Throat Chakra hi, the "kwa"s are bridges. there are several. one is between the thumb and pointer finger. Spread them so only one web of skin is between them. another is at the waist hip junction. if you know about letting the bum sink or wedging in that takes care of that. Another is where the chest and arm meet. make sure that if you are standing with the arms hanging o rif you are doing the tree hugging posture there is about a fist length of area open between the pecs and the biceps. you sorta look like a tough guy, but it's different. the best book i have seen that mentions this is opening you energy gates. i can not remember the author but he definately keeps his kwa's open. - as far as the tree's go, doing chi kung by them, with them, etc.... is a very powerful touching experience. take care john reikiATNOSPAMhhs.net - 3 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com Subject: K and CFS jennifer, my wife i believe is going through kundalini due cfs. she dosen't uderstand it yet, but she has a lot of symptoms. feel free to keep in touch. - also, my symptoms began around what was a significant trauma in my life. agian a blessing is disguise. john reikiATNOSPAMhhs.net 4 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: To Jule Jule- I loved the Native American Indian Prayer! Very appropriate, Thank you for sharing it! Love, Lori - 5 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: The guru thing At 04:41 PM 8/21/96 -0700, you wrote: > >> sick of the "psychic fairs" (not that everyone at a psychic fair is a fraud, >> but... > >i know what you mean -- the psychic unfairs -- there are plenty to go around. > >) my "friend" had an interesting idea, that was to check your vibes on >> the people first, he seemed to think he got a different feel from the >> "legitimate" ones. > >yes, this works very well for me. it was a gift of the k... >> >> There are always possibilities... > >and that's just in THIS universe.... *8-) >> hehehe... cute Karol Anne. actually I havent been to a psychic fair since last Oct. which was my first psychic fair. well , not first, but the other one is outside of time, so I wont get into that. I went to a psychic fair and got my astral (aura) photo done. I have learned since, that even with the best equipment, these are really just a novelty, it's not a true representation of your aura. Dan. 6 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: K and CFS At 08:33 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >My name is Jennifer and I am new to the list. I have had chronic fatigue >syndrome for 9 years. I worked through most of my illness, but over the past >almost 4 years I have been too sick to work and have been on disability. > Over the past month or so I have been experiencing the symptoms of the >movement of Kundalini- involuntary body movements, belly breathing, etc. I >work with two energy healers who have assured me that I am having a K >experience. I am wondering if anyone has ever come to Kundalini through >illness. Has anyone been cured from illness after going through K? This, >of course is my hope, but I have been feeling more tired than ever. Thanks >for any advice/feedback that you could give to a newcomer to the experience >of Kundalini. > >Jennifer > I dunno Jennifer, from reading this list, you'd think you get illness AFTER (or as a result of) the k.everyone here seems to be getting sick the same way. Was it me or R. that started this sickness mess? Dan. 7 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: Re: eyes, flashes of light At 10:10 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi: Dan > >How many Dans are on the list now? > I think I'm the only one. the other one left a while back, if you recall. You've talked to me Von, ya silly. sheesh... dont you remember? >>You all do realize of course that these similarities will only increase more >and more over time? dont you? :)< > >No, I don't agree and now think I'am getting the flu, blocked chakras, >burning in the throat, changing eye color, chills, fever, ear ache, sore >throats, chronic fatigue, crawlings, crawly feeling, lookin like your DOG, >migraines paralized , pneumonia, really gloomy and rainy, redness near the >nose, strepthroat, and owerwhelming weakness and more sore throats. > ROFL... - > >Do males have their time of the month also? >See you in the morning. it is morning. and where are you? yeah, i slept in too. "that time of the month" nope, thank goodness! :) Dan. > >As always >Von > > 8 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: coincidence - Dan- Hello. I just read your post regarding the Celestine Propechy and the Tenth Insight. First, let me say I found them both excellent and would highly recommend the tenth insight if you have not already read it. But more so, what caught my eye was that I too felt as if the dedication and introduction (author's note) were written directly to me. Especially where he mentions the "We notice those chance events that occur at just the right moment, and bring forth just the right individuals, to suddenly send our lives in a new and important direction." It hit home very deeply for me, as I had just experienced that exact thing and the experience altered my life forever. Anyway, I just wanted to share this with you. In light and love, Lori Oh- P.S. I do not believe in coincidences either. :D 9 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 From: John Halonen Subject: Disagree? Individuality is a blessing. Could you imagine if everyone agreed? What would be the lesson? Why should there be a problem? There are many roads you can travel. But the point is not to get to the end of the road. You cannot. Peace and love, John Halonen -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com \ America On-Line: (V487) To: Kundalini Subject: Re: John's Laws Hi: John Halonen This is my personal opinion. I am not alway right, but most of the time I am. - Don't be offended because that is not my intention. "Did you notice that we agree on almost nothing!" (Nothing) I have tried very hard to see what is the problem. Do you have any of your own observations concerning this. Does anyone? It's just strange to me. As always, Von -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- 10 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: coincidence At 01:18 PM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >Dan- >Hello. I just read your post regarding the Celestine Propechy and the Tenth >Insight. First, let me say I found them both excellent and would highly >recommend the tenth insight if you have not already read it. But more so, >what caught my eye was that I too felt as if the dedication and introduction >(author's note) were written directly to me. Especially where he mentions >the "We notice those chance events that occur at just the right moment, and >bring forth just the right individuals, to suddenly send our lives in a new >and important direction." It hit home very deeply for me, as I had just >experienced that exact thing and the experience altered my life forever. > Anyway, I just wanted to share this with you. its always weird reading something like that and having it resonate that way. I especially liked the fact my name was mentioned. well "Daniel" instead of "Dan" but, ah, same diff.. [grin] >In light and love, >Lori >Oh- P.S. I do not believe in coincidences either. :D > me neither, theres no such thing... [grin] So tell me, what is your message you wish to pass on, or have you found it. Dan. - 11 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Maimu Maimu & Wendy You are both great people and I send you my love. Von 12 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: John's Laws Subj: Re: John's Laws From: halonenjATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (John Halonen) - >Von, No offense taken. But on the contrary, I find many things you say very insightful. ----------------------------------------------- "Thanks John and I was wrong again." Love, Von - 13 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Pat Welsh Subject: natural empath Dear Jule-- I'm still so very behind in reading this group's posts!!! I was gratified to read your message below. I, too, come from a dysfunctional family...and have been censured for Interfering In Other People's Karma, when what I believe myself to truly be doing is Saving The Planet.... --Pat From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: To Mary I agree with you about sending love, and nothing negative will come in. this is how we protect ourselves from danger. but what i was talking about was being a natural empath. some of us are healers, only we heal the emotions of others. we do so by taking their energy and transmuting it, but it is such a messed up world and there can be so much negativity, that you need to spend all the time simply transmuting the energy of others, and it is exhausting. I'm at the point that i am transmuting the energy of those next to me in lines in stores. I had to stop teaching because i took on the negative vibes from every house i entered, and transmuted it. there are some very unhappy homes, let me tell you. My solution for now is that I limit contacts to a reasonable level, so i don't get too exhausted, because i am trying to move out of that phase to another . I think I came into the world to help in this way in my own dysfunctional household, and now the habit is so strong, it is difficult to switch off. Love Jule - 14 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber) Subject: Re: K and CFS At 12:37 PM 8/22/96 -0400, Dan Gahlinger wrote: >At 08:33 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote: >I dunno Jennifer, from reading this list, you'd think you get illness AFTER >(or as a result of) the k. everyone here seems to be getting sick >the same way. Not me. I'm quite healthy and happy, thank you. Maimu *** Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake. --Thoreau *** - 15 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber) Subject: Re: Maimu At 02:06 PM 8/22/96 -0400, V487ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote: >Maimu & Wendy > >You are both great people and I send you my love. I'm not sure what brought this on, but I never reject love freely given! (((((Von)))) Maimu - *** Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake. --Thoreau *** 16 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Wendy Subject: Dan and Maimu >At 02:35 PM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >>At 12:37 PM 8/22/96 -0400, Dan Gahlinger wrote: >>>At 08:33 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>I dunno Jennifer, from reading this list, you'd think you get illness AFTER >>>(or as a result of) the k. everyone here seems to be getting sick >>>the same way. >> >>Not me. I'm quite healthy and happy, thank you. >> >>Maimu I feel pretty healthy too Maimu......but 'happy' is a word I find limiting for me. As a friend is fond of quoting"Happiness is for pigs." Hes means that Joy is beyond description and infinite. Happiness is fleeting and rather hit or miss. I tend to agree with him and don't worry too much about the happy stuff. What K has been for me is that unalterable Joyness and a new awareness of when I'm receiving it....even in times of great 'dis ease' or 'unhappiness.' Ironic to me but the pain of life even feels differently now. Perhaps I 'feel' it more deeply, just as I do this Joy stuff. I sometimes think this is the difficult part at times....the feelings aspects of all this are richer, deeper, more profound, if I may say so....and difficult to describe. And a little snippet of that sense of detachment accompanies this, too it seems. I've found that with my head in the clouds so much now, I seem to not notice a whole lot of physical pain and illness. Natural anaesthetics????? Love, Wendy Leap and the net will appear. http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders ___________________ Midnight is when noon is born. - Chinese proverb ___________________ 17 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Wendy Subject: ori^ Hi ori^ You're a very soothing Soul and I'm aware of the affects of your energies with me, still, today Calming ones Thank you for listening to your wake up calls - Love, Wendy At 11:34 PM 8/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 02:15 AM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >>is anyone on the list 'around' tonight? > >round or oblong or is it triangular? > >also on irc #!kundalini awaiting you :) > > >********************** >* ori^ * >* mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com * >********************** > > Leap and the net will appear. http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders ___________________ Midnight is when noon is born. - Chinese proverb ___________________ 18 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: ori^ Subject: Re: ori^ Hi Wendy, It really is a new way of life to know we are never alone, and that when we least expect it, but maybe most need it, we encounter a kindred spirit. <3 Love to you, ori^ ************************ * ori^ * * mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com * ************************ - 19 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: Maimu And Jennifer At 03:14 PM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >>At 02:35 PM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >>>At 12:37 PM 8/22/96 -0400, Dan Gahlinger wrote: >>>>At 08:33 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>>I dunno Jennifer, from reading this list, you'd think you get illness AFTER >>>>(or as a result of) the k. everyone here seems to be getting sick >>>>the same way. >>> >>>Not me. I'm quite healthy and happy, thank you. >>> I was kidding Maimu.... [grin] Dan. - 20 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: K and CFS Hi Jennifer: Welcome to the list. I underwent "K" in 1992. In 1986 I came down with CFS. Since the "K" my symptoms have gradually cleared up, and finally this year I can say I am well. I'm slowly beginning to do things again. Like you I worked, then I had to stop. This was an off-on thing, You know what that battle is like. One of my first symptoms when I first totally collapsed with the disease was the twitching. It still happens occasionally. But I only need 8 hours sleep these days, so you can imagine why I consider myself cured. The one thing I still have to watch is not to do tremenduously heavy physical lifting etc for long periods of time. The up side to this is I can legitimately skimp on housework! To every cloud as they say--- However I can walk for long distances, so I have a reasonable amount of stamina back. This is all by way of saying I have been there and I believe that "K" cured me, as others on this list know. So take courage. I am going to post to you privately a list of things I found useful. In case there is anything you have not heard of. I should find time to do this tomorrow. So if anyone else wants a copy please let me know, since apparently I'm not the only sufferer. I'm at SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Love Jule 21 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re Paralysis when waking Thanks Maimu and Graham for the information. I'm glad I have always believed in holistic medicine, Maimu. I do have lucid dreams and can go back into them at will and change events. Also I dream and kind of interpret them while I am still dreaming. It's hard to explain exactly what I do but that's the gist of it. Interestingly, I'm not a "thrasher" when I'm sleeping. Whatever position I fall asleep in, I am still exactly there when I wake up. So I can quite believe that is the purpose of the paralysis.So thanks for clearing that up. Love Jule - 22 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: The Phoenix Hi Dan: You mentioned wanting to know more about the phoenix. It is a mythological bird, much revered in Greek and Roman times. It was believed to live 500 years. When ready to die it built itself a nest of frankincense, and myrrh in which to die. A worm appeared from it's decayed body, lived on the juices, and developed feathers. It then flew with the nest containing the bones of it's parent to Heliopolis in Egypt. Heliopolis =City of the Sun. It placed the nest on the altar of the sun, and then returned to it's original abode---only to repeat the cycle again in another 500 years.. In other words this bird rises from the ashes of it's own parent eternally. It is supposed to have glossy purple feathers on it's body, long blue and red tail feathers, and a white color on it's head. There is a gold ring of color around it's neck. There is a tuft of feathers at the back of it's head. Alchemists regarded it as the symbol of human regeneration. Initiates in the mysteries were referred to as phoenixes, or men who had been born again. The double-headed phoenix is the symbol of the androgynous man. In the zodiac if you look between Capricorn and Sagitarius you will see Aquila, this is a bird which carries a nest . The signs of both Capricorn and Sagittarius are those of the master in Esoteric Buddhism. Also a yuga in Indian mythology is an age which lasts 432,000 years. A grand round of the zodiac, i.e from one age of Pisces to the next, is 25920 years. 3 x 432,000 = 500 x 25920 I find this interesting. Perhaps 3 ages are the equivalent of the Phoenix in some way (in the greater scheme of things). Love Jule - 23 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: The Phoenix At 04:44 PM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >3 x 432,000 = 500 x 25920 I find this interesting. Perhaps 3 ages are the >equivalent of the Phoenix in some way (in the greater scheme of things). > >Love Jule > this is all completely different from the information I have gathered previously. All the previous information I have gathered is on the egyptian legendary firebird, phoenix, or what has passed down since then. Also, a different indian firebird, cant remember the name, starts with an "s" but that too seemed somewhat unrelated. So where are we presently on the scale of ages? and why would i not be surprised if we are nearing the end of one? :) - Dan. 24 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Student Subject: JC Please listen to what I have to say. I am speaking to your spirit, so take in what I am telling you with your heart and not your mind. These experiances you are having are undoubtedly real. I myself have had similiar experiances. What I want to tell you is that no matter how involved you become in this the truth remains that you are always going to be seeking more and you will never be satisfied. I know because I have been there. Nothing I can write to you can help you, but I want to let you know that there is a real force out there. A force that is even more powerful than any thing you can comprehend. This force cares deeply for you and has led me to bring you this message. Jesus Christ wants you in his kingdom. He died on the cross for your sins so that you might have eternal salvation. Want you are now serving is demons sent by satan himself to take control of your mind so that you can bring more people into his kingdom. If you have made the choice to allow him to do this then woe unto you because your end is the lake of fire. A way out of this has already been provided for you through Jesus dying on the cross for your sins. You need ask Jesus to forgive you and to repent (which means to turn the opposite direction). The real God wants to set you free from your pain and suffering. What you are into now is not your problem it is your solution, but it is not God's solution. Your problem is the feelings and emotional scars you are trying to fulfill by seeking power. Jesus will heal them scars, and make you a new creation. Then you have real power, power that saves and not destroys. Your god comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Jesus comes that you might have life and have it more abundantly. The choice is yours friend. I'll be praying for you. 25 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Karol Ann Barnett Subject: Re: JC oh, man...... sounds like me in my 20s. thanks, but i don't think that way anymore. 26 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Re: JC At 07:39 PM 8/22/96 -0700, you wrote: > >oh, man...... sounds like me in my 20s. > >thanks, but i don't think that way anymore. > can we auto-filter that kind of stuff from the list? televangelism we DONT need. (yes, my email is already set to filter such junk in the future) please somebody pass me a bucket, I feel ill... Dan. There are always possibilities... 27 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber) Subject: Re: JC At 08:14 PM 8/22/96 -0700, Student wrote: To add to my list: 6) Just got an email from a stranger that said: Hello? I tried to reply three times, but it bounced back each time with "user unknown" message. 7) A message I sent to another list is being "held" because the list limit has been exceeded. In two years on lists I've never had that happen before. - Maimu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...... Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did. - 28 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber) Subject: Re: JC At 08:14 PM 8/22/96 -0700, Student wrote: >Please listen to what I have to say. Your god comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Jesus >comes that you might have life and have it more abundantly. The choice is >yours friend. I'll be praying for you. Does anyone know what's going on in the cosmos? Just today on email I got: 1) This "Student" trollerl on our list 2) Another troller on another list 3) An obscene email from a stranger 4) A hurtful email from a personal friend 5) General disharmony online all day - Maimu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...... Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did. - 29 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 From: Wendy Subject: Re: JC i was just going to write (from MANY such experiences today...both online and irl.... 'are the loonies out tonight?????' lol apparently so - Wendy At 10:55 PM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:14 PM 8/22/96 -0700, Student wrote: > > >>Please listen to what I have to say. Your god comes to steal, kill, and >destroy. Jesus >>comes that you might have life and have it more abundantly. The choice is >>yours friend. I'll be praying for you. > > >Does anyone know what's going on in the cosmos? > > Just today on email I got: > >1) This "Student" trollerl on our list > >2) Another troller on another list > >3) An obscene email from a stranger > >4) A hurtful email from a personal friend > >5) General disharmony online all day > > >Maimu > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...... > Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did. > > Leap and the net will appear. http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders ___________________ - Midnight is when noon is born. - Chinese proverb ___________________