Date: Thu, 15 Aug kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 94 

From: Dan Gahlinger
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

At 01:32 PM 8/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I have become involved in a situation of dire consequences. A very close 
>lady friend, unaware of any powers that exist, is being ferociously 
>abused telepathicly by her husband.
>
>I am desperately seeking any information that could help me learn to 
>help her and her child. Her mind is not yet open to he possibilities of 
>telepathy. She just knows that he makes her crazy and has begun to 
>experience horrific dreams that he is imposing upon her. Her child is 
>also experiencing this...I am just becoming aware of my abilities in 
>this area and need the guidance of someone more experieinced. I would 
>prefer to learn at the pace granted by life, but he damage being done is 
>too great, and I am compelled to accelerate my learnings in order to 
>protect her and her child. He has also invaded others, and I feel he 
>must be stopped, and I am the only one who knows what he is doing.
>
>I truly hope that this message strikes a chord with someone who can help 
>me. Please direct response to me at ay684ATNOSPAMtorfree.net, as I have not yet 
>subscribed to this group.
>
>Please help if you can!
>

well I'm new here, so everyone will have to pardon me for this one slight
divergence from the group, but something struck me rather strongly when I
read this, and the replies, please, I'm NOT trying to be harsh, and my words
may not be chosen with the care and softness with which I wish to convey,
but, as I said, this is what came to me:

first of all, I'm not so sure it's the husband attacking her. now let me get
that out, and before I really upset you or anyone else, please bear with me,
as this may not be the case, but I felt compelled to write.

the sense i get, Jeff, is, and pardon me for saying this, but your own
unconcious mind is causing this suffering.

Since she is a skeptic, the last thing you want to do is turn this into a
fight between yourself and him, from the sounds of it, she would strike out
at you, not him, if you somehow managed to seperate them.

First thing I want you to do, and be very careful about this, is to examine
your own ego. Everyone has one. Somehow this all reminds me of the Celestine
prophecy, the control dramas that people possess.  In your case, it seems
you have been developing your abilities, and now they are reaching out.

Pardon me for saying this, and please dont take this as a personal attack, I
dont mean it that way, but do you have a personal interest in this woman?

I feel really bad about writing this, and feel it will end up in a
flame-fest or something, which is something i hope wont happen. it is merely
what i sense, and hope is incorrect.

but to err on the side of caution, I would suggest Jeff take a step back,
remove yourself from the dynamic of the four individuals (yourself included)
and examine it before continuing. We are sometimes thrust into a dynamic
that takes a direction of its own, without our full knowledge or consent.

Anyhow, thats my 2c worth, thats what i got from it reading your note, and
the replies.

so, in the case of her being attacking by him, I go along with the side that
says push him out, white energy, consult a spirit guide. for you, relaxation
and meditation, and perhaps check out celestine prophecy.

all this and kundalini too... :)
Dan.
there are always possibilities...


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: Wendy <>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

Some further thoughts on this stuff Jeff and Mary

i have seen several instances where this kind of stuff manifests pretty
superficially in cyber relationships, so please clarify for me and all if
that is the case in either instance you both have mentioned

also, i'm assuming the women in question have been able to identify the
problem and own it for themselves on some level?  if not, then there is
always the question of others' interpreting her 'reality' for her

As for her skepticism, Mary...is there something more we can/need do but
Pray?  I imagine many of us face these kinds of situations quite
frequently....in varying degrees.  I'll be really interested to see how
others respond here for guidance and additional insights.

Thanks,

Wendy

Leap and the net will appear.
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___________________

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	                 - David Wilcox
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: Royale Jills <>
Subject: Re;ego

Regarding ego; im thinking that it is a hypothetical construct created by the person to 
account to the question, Who am I?,.  To loose ones ego i think, is a mistake, as it is 
needed to function with everyday life. Also to merge it with the One is ok, if you 
realize that it probably wont stay merged in this lifetime. So going in and out of 
oneness seems to be the best I can do. Love Royale


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: Wendy <>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

Dear Jeff,

I hope you hear the words here sent with Love and compassion for all,
including Dan's, as I heard him from over here where I'm sittin on the
sidelines 

After reading Dan's response I would like to add too that you look withIN,
Jeff....refocus withIN....as you have everything you need withIN for
guidance in this and all things.  Trust that implicitly.

Wendy


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___________________

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	                 - David Wilcox
___________________


Date: Thu, 15 Aug
From: Mary Knapp <>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

At 03:09 PM 8/15/96 -0400, Wendy wrote:
>
>also, i'm assuming the women in question have been able to identify the
>problem and own it for themselves on some level?  

This is a close relationship, not a cyber or new one.  The dreams had been
mentioned for years.  Never having had a really bad one myself I had no idea
what terror they had for her... until I shared a few it seemed.  They were
really bad but I did not know how to help her.  Then I had another right
before I saw her last and it really shook me.  I started praying for her and
then just recently read about shielding, and then Jeff's post.  Divine
sychronicity I expect.

if not, then there is
>always the question of others' interpreting her 'reality' for her
>
>As for her skepticism, Mary...is there something more we can/need do but
>Pray?  

If I knew, I would certainly ask it.  What would be more powerful than prayer?
Thank you all.

I thought my impulse to get back on-line now was silly, but my little tender
voice said 'No, we really mean it'.  

My guides joining in this cyberprayer perhaps.

Thank you all.

Mary


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Maimu Alber)
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

>At 01:32 PM 8/15/96 -0400, you wrote:

Jeff wrote:

>>I have become involved in a situation of dire consequences. A very close 
>>lady friend, unaware of any powers that exist, is being ferociously 
>>abused telepathicly by her husband.

Dan wrote:

>but to err on the side of caution, I would suggest Jeff take a step back,
>remove yourself from the dynamic of the four individuals (yourself included)
>and examine it before continuing. We are sometimes thrust into a dynamic
>that takes a direction of its own, without our full knowledge or consent.


I am finding this thread interesting and complex.  Most times, I know when
something is real or when it's memorex by the "Aha!" which I experience
emotionally, physically, and spiritually at once.  However, I too, have run
into problems with distinguishing one from the other, which is hinted at in
the above post from Jeff and Dan's response.  

My daughter, Liisa,  (23) is forever trying to please her grandmother to the
extent to where she will help grandma , while ignoring her own problems.
For example, she is birdsitting grandma's birth while grandma is on vacation
for 3 weeks.  Grandma just called an extended it to 6 weeks.  Liisa called
me up, all upset that her summer is ruined, that she can't take her own
vacation, that she can't even go out on weekends, that she has to watch
grandma's stupid bird.  I gave her several suggestions, ranging from keeping
that bird at her work (which is real consideration, since she works for a
veterinarian), have a neighbor stop in and watch the bird, let her sister
watch it, tell grandma she simply can't do it and let grandma worry about
finding alternative arrangments. The bird will do fine no matter what.  But
Liisa won't even consider some of the options, because in her own eyes to do
anything but watch it herself would mean that she doesn't love grandma.  I
explained that drawing a boundary is not a lack of love.  Liisa insisted
that it "feels" like a lack of love.  I told her that co-dependents feel
like that all the time.  And her question was a good one:   How does she
figure out the difference between co-dependency and love when to her they
feel the same? ( The conversation went further, I shared my own experiences,
and took her Melodie Beattie's book, but that's not the point.)

Likewise, how do we know with some of these esoteric, paranormal, ethereal,
supernatural, universal, energic and other happenings, between what is real
and what our minds, hearts, bodies create?  How do we know when something is
an emotional problem, psychological confusion, or a spiritual awakening?  Is
there, in fact, a difference?

I realize that for many of us...myself included.... the answer is as simple
as "I just *know*."  I am very intuitive, and I *just know* a lot of things.
But in light of the question Jeff has (a very real possibility) and the
response that Dan gave (another very real possibility) how do we find the
unique truth in it all?   What is the litmus test?  How does one who is in
the grip of fear know what really *is* so that they can respond to it best? 

------------
BTW, Jeff said:

>..Please direct response to me at ay684ATNOSPAMtorfree.net, as I have not yet 
>subscribed to this group.

Did everyone who posted to the list remember to cc it to Jeff in private?
--------------

Maimu


 
      *** Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake. --Thoreau ***

                             


Date: Thu, 15 Aug
From: Jeff Anderson <>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

Thank you for your response...in order to protect this lady who is 
receiving telepathic energy from her abusive husband I need more 
information. I do know how to "Block" his energies...using white light. 
What I want to know is:

1) How do I extend that white light energy to her?

2) How to I leave that protection in place.

3) How can I be sure that sheilding her won't affect the "karmic 
indebtedness" that mightt be existant here?


Jeff   ay684ATNOSPAMtorfree.net

              "Growing Old is Mandatory, Growing Up is Strictly Optional"


 
Date: Thu, 15 Aug
From: Jeff Anderson <>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

Further to my previous post, some added details might help to keep things 
in perspective.

1) This woman is my very best friend in the world. Perhaps someday it 
might turn into more, but I have not got that in mind at all. I do love 
her child dearly...he is very special. But I am not looking beyond the 
friendship at this time..period.

2) Her situation is VERY real. I am he only person in the world who knows 
about it. At christmas time she and I were alone in a spare room while 
her husband and my wife watched a really bad "blood and guts" movie (h 
loves them) and she seemed distant all of a sudden. I asked her what was 
wrong...no answer...I asked again and her pretty blue eyes filled with 
tears and she buried her head in my chest sobbing and weeping 
uncontrollably. I am the first and only person she has told anything too. 
I have personally witnessed his abuse many times. She and her husband are 
both from abusive backgrounds, and it is tearing her heart out to watch 
it happen to her child now, yet she feels powerless to stop it.

3) Togehter she and I have worked dilegently at resolving the logistical 
and emotional issues and problems associated with leaving 
him...money...where to live...how it 
will affect her child...we have talked it all through. But she still 
can't break free. She has confided that the nightmares frighten her 
badly, and that during the day these wild and disturbing thoughts 
sudddenly enter her mind, and she is afraid she is going crazy. Well, 
those exact same thoughts as she communicates them to me, are also 
entering my mind randomly. This is not coincidence. I KNOW that they are 
coming from him. So does my wife. The effect of these thoughts is to 
paralyze her...she simply can not break free becasue the thoughts are so 
terrifying to her.

4) I appreciate the question posed regarding duality here...is my 
relationship affecting this negatively? The answer is NO...I am certain 
that this comes from him. He has even spoken of it to my wife! He laughed 
and said "I have a gift you know, I am telepathic..nobody knows it, and I 
can screw with peoples heads all day if I want to...I can make my wife do 
almost anything" Does that clear things up a bit. For those of you that 
have experienced this strange feeling...you will understand when I say 
that the "communications" I get from him (and my wife gets too) are very 
real...it is almost like a conversation one might have in the same room!


Oh yea...finally...I have subscribed now, so there is no need to post to 
me privately anymore...THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE, AND WILL RESPOND. I 
apprecaite your caring.


Jeff   ay684ATNOSPAMtorfree.net

              "Growing Old is Mandatory, Growing Up is Strictly Optional"


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: Jim Hefling <>
Subject: Re: Another Analogy

At 11:56 AM 8/15/96 -0700, jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu wrote:
>
>
>On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Debee L. Thomas wrote:
>
>> > I'm trying to think of other words that might be more all encompassing that
>> > embody the underlying intent of the word "warrior".... 
>> > 
>> > One that doesn't conjure images of 'us' vs 'them', 'me' vs 'myself', war,
>> > battle, fatigue, false armor, super'human' effort, struggle, etc etc.
>> > 
>> > Anyone?
>> 
>> How about Journeyman, Explorer, Adventurerer, or Traveler?
>> 
>> Blessed Be
>> 
>> Debee
>> 
>
>I think it requires a role, label, model etc.. that would be near and 
>dear to a person's heart.  A role or label or something that they would 
>*really* attach themselves to.
>
>"one begins to understand what it means to be a budha, when one no longer 
>concernes his self with being a budha"
>
>I think its a real dilema.  (wish I could spell) 
>
>Mac (JohnMcK)
>
>
>btw
>
>I strongly agree with the way John H. defines a warrior.
>
>Could we be speaking of warriors in different lights, or contexts?
>
>
Hello, all--
        
        I've been lurking, and haven't yet introduced myself--and don't have
the time free right now to do so.  But, the "warrior" reference, and the
unfortunate associations that cluster around it, prompt me to throw out a
quick line.  I am a *rank beginner* in  the art of Aikido.  I'm 53 years old
and not macho (I am not looking for a spiritually correct way to kick ***),
but a true Budo (martial "way", as opposed to a collection of techniques) is
truly about personal growth.  The first lesson is to accept what *is* now,
not what we would want to see or like to be the case, or.... This is the
exact opposite of "ego", the effort to redefine the world as an adjunct of
myself (somesuch language).  With time I could reframe this in a more
graceful way.

        The "internal" martial arts are forevertalking about the sort of
ontological position that the quote suggests.  Kundalini is often described
by the more adept practitioners.  I don't claim tounderstand it all, yet.

peace and light

Jim 


Date: Thu, 15 Aug
From: Arlene Benjamin <>
Subject: Karma

Hi Jeff,

Hope you don't mind that I forwarded those replies for you.

I just read your last letter and it sounds like your friend 
may "need" this situation in order to realize her own strength???

I have been in similar situations and it's an awful feeling...Powerlessness.
Yet, I will say the THE DAY I DECIDED I HAD HAD ENOUGH and took a STAND...
that day my life changed for the better. I took back my own power, even in the
very real possibility that I could lose my life in the process.

And for this poor soul who is abusing his and others power...I hope he realizes
the consequences of this. Apparently not.

Anyway, I'll pray for you all and send love and light to help each one involved.

May the outcome be blissful and joyful!
Peace & Harmony,
Namaste'...Arlene
Each individual is a necessary and vital part of the Whole*


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: Mark Rivera <>
Subject: Re: Karma

One thing I'm learning is all life is Karma and sometimes because of it's 
nature, it really sucks!

Mark


Date: Thu, 15 Aug
From: Jeff Anderson <>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

> >
> >Dear Jeff,
> >
> >I hope you hear the words here sent with Love and compassion for all,
> >including Dan's, as I heard him from over here where I'm sittin on the
> >sidelines 

No problem...I appreciate and read all...then decide what to agree with 
and not...I apprecaite every response received, and think about them all.

> >
> >After reading Dan's response I would like to add too that you look withIN,
> >Jeff....refocus withIN....as you have everything you need withIN for
> >guidance in this and all things.  Trust that implicitly.
> >
> >Wendy

The inner voice in all of us exists...but we all need to realize it and 
listen closely...because as human beings, we are endowed with something 
that the animals are not...free will...the will to make decisions based 
on more than just instinct. But in the end, instinct is always a better 
path than making a "logical" decision in my opinion, and I always listen 
to the inner voise...it is always right! ALWAYS!

Jeff   ay684ATNOSPAMtorfree.net

              "Growing Old is Mandatory, Growing Up is Strictly Optional"


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: Dan Gahlinger <>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

At 03:33 PM 8/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Thank you for your response...in order to protect this lady who is 
>receiving telepathic energy from her abusive husband I need more 
>information. I do know how to "Block" his energies...using white light. 
>What I want to know is:
>
>1) How do I extend that white light energy to her?
>

dont think about it. just "do" it. surround her with white light.
yes, its that simple. think of it as an oval placed around her.

>2) How to I leave that protection in place.

simple again, see #1, then tell her what you've done, make sure she is
conciously aware of it, first see if she can sense it. thats a good indication.
remember, all things, even the light, are alive, as long as you or she
thinks about it, perhaps each morning, it should be fine. for some reason I
am drawn to tell you the most important thing about using light in this
manner is to respect it. I have no idea why I typed that.

ever heard of "automatic writing"?

>
>3) How can I be sure that sheilding her won't affect the "karmic 
>indebtedness" that mightt be existant here?

you can't. I'm sorry my son, but the universe is a crapshoot, there are no
gaurantees, no tablets etched it stone. You're on your own m'boy. :)
the best anyone can do, is what they sense, and what they "feel" is right.

There are always possibilities...
Dan.


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: Wendy <>
Subject: see?

there i go
see the word 'help please' and i'm a goner 

lots of caring and good stuff is being sent your way Jeff

perhaps someone will try to work with this man

codepency is difficult to live and/or be a witness to

my strongest sense from your most recent mail jeff is that you are in quite
a state over all this and it is affecting you deeply

what would you 'advise' a friend in the same 'crisis'?

oftentimes the people living in them are more immune to the affects than
those 'outside'

i think arlene's point was a good one, too

my gut feeling for you Jeff is to step back
as others, i think a solution will appear sooner>

lol 

now

i'm not gonna write anymore on this, promise 

Peace,

Wend




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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: Karma

> 
> I have been in similar situations and it's an awful feeling...Powerlessness.
> Yet, I will say the THE DAY I DECIDED I HAD HAD ENOUGH and took a STAND...
> that day my life changed for the better. I took back my own power, even in the
> very real possibility that I could lose my life in the process.
> 

Jeff, I have also been here, done this.  I had to suffer intensely 
before I was able to break out into my own power.  I had to experience 
it myself.  But that doesn't mean that you can't pray for the woman 
and her child and send her energy for her highest good and greatest joy.


Date: Thu, 15 Aug
From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help please?

What I am coming to understand in spirituality is that it is 
wrong for us to interfere with someone else's choice of how 
they want to learn in this life.  For instance, it would be 
wrong of me to make a homeless person dependent on me because 
i feel sorry for them.  In effect, that's saying that they are 
not powerful enough to make different choices out of their 
poverty.  (and believe me, it took a looongg time for me to learn this)

but don't please assume that i mean never to help anyone.  But now 
I ask for help for them for their highest good and greatest joy or 
something along those lines.  that sends them energy to make 
another choice in their situation, if they choose, but it doesn't 
force a choice on them.  

I hope I've been clear enough here.  


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Attacks

To all on attacks, Their is nothing like consciousness to confront a lower
force. It isn't about hiding away as much as becoming aware of the forces as
such. Spiritually however you identify with God, creator, Christ, Budda,
whatever, by drawing upon the high frequency of the Christed one you
automatically bring that vibration in which lower forces frequencies are
immediately destroyed. This has been my teaching from Christ and it has never
failed. It is when it comes into your consciousness however, that the energy
manifests inside your energy field. Gloria



Date: Thu, 15 Aug
From: "Debee L. Thomas" <>
Subject: Re: Another Analogy

>  How about Journeyman, Explorer, Adventurerer, or Traveler?
>  
>  Blessed Be
>  
>  Debee
>   >>
> ----------------------------------------
> What about" Ego"
> 
> Von

I was thinking a bit more on the 'positive' side :)

Blessed Be

Debee


Date: Thu, 15 Aug 
From: georgevATNOSPAMeor.com (georgev)
Subject: What about using the warrior?

I have been recently rediscovering my own kundalini again. I use a
simple technique of calming my mind and meditation. I learned this kind
of meditation strait through intuition.

It started off with surrendering fears of: I surrender the fear of...
Then I am told to calm myself in what ever way that works best. I use
something that I call the "warriors stillness." It is a focused still
state that my represent tensing ones muscles. It also might be that I
am getting control of myself too. I guess it could be called focus
stillness.

I have also found celibacy helpful since one can get too attached to
the pleaures of the body.

has anyone done any Zen like meditation like this?

george