Date: Wed, 14 Aug kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 92 1 From: Karol Ann Barnett Subject: Re: Fwd: Re Lady with the throat chakra problem > person, microcosm/macrocosm stuff. No literature I can refer you to. There > is a rather classic work on metaphysical interpretation of disease, a woman > wrote it I believe. After a bit of reading it becomes obvious. Someone > will know the book I mean. > Mary, are you thinking about the Louise Hay book here? She has an organization -- Hay House -- in Cal. Lazaris helped launch her. 2 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: Dan Gahlinger Subject: Hello! Hi everyone, I'm new, so please be patient if I flub... Please be patient with me using certain terms out of context or in improper form. I will try my best, and draw the best examples and comparisons, (cant think of the word - metafor perhaps). I'm cheating, I cut the following out of the kundalini info email I got: 1. Name Dan (you can tell from the header :) ) 2. Age 29 - hint: I'm a gemini, not that that means anything 3. When did you first become aware of kundalini in your life? About Oct/95 (not specifically in my life). myself specifically about 2 weeks ago 4. How long ago was this? Uhm...10 months? I can't count today. about 2 weeks for personal experience 5. What are some of the things you have noticed? well the movement itself: spasms and convulsions and energy movement 6. What has changed/is changing in your life? I have no idea. I feel like... I dunno what yet. but it's not pretty :) 7. Do you have any particular practices that you have found helpful? for me meditating and drinking water seem to induce a stronger reaction I have no idea (at present) why someone would WANT to go through what I did, I'm SURE it will come to me in a few weeks/months though 8. Are you involved in any service to others? I try to be, and am willing to help others as I can 9. What are you hoping to get out of this list? I'm not really sure. I just got here, am new to these things since my movement, although the aftershocks still come along, I've felt in a sort of quandry, well, I felt that way before too, so I guess I can't complain too much...To say it left me feeling like death warmed over is an understatement, but I can't be that harsh either. It was both a horrific experience and a most wonderous experience. Like something excessively hot, and yet soothingly cool all at the same time. I have no better way of describing it. Everyone tells me kundalini is a unique experience, when it really happens. And I being new to this portion of the spiritual, have been constantly warned against "False-kundalini" reactions. prana and so forth come to mind. and all this talk about kundalini being dangerous. But I have learned that usually only is true if its self-induced. In my case, the knowing is enough, seeing some good councellors Like Dr. Kason really helped a lot. In my case it was after two weeks of body tremors, spasms and convulsions I finally did a mediation, which induced it, right about when I was ready for it (but not quite). so perhaps I will learn my reason for being on this list through the messages that flow through the eternal ether... And I'll end by saying hello again to everyone and if anyone wishes to email me privately, feel free (I had the odd feeling I should include that part, I have no idea why). there are always possibilities... Dan. 3 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Warriors and such Anyone who is looking at detachment and how it applies to being in the now and doing, I suggest you get my book Good and Evil In Our Times. This book takes you on a journey of frequencies and out of this process a great deal is realized about detachment, discrimination, and observation. I will mail it to anyone on the list that wants it for $16.25 to Light of Day Press. Gloria 4 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: Wendy <> Subject: Unidentified subject! here's a site that might prove of interest: http://www.2013.org kinda new edged new age, it appears enjoy Wendy Leap and the net will appear. http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders ___________________ Don't take advice, take a chance, roll the dice, learn to dance. - David Wilcox ___________________ 5 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: "Debee L. Thomas" <> Subject: Re: Another Analogy > Warrior seems to have the correct conveyance. > A warrior seeks to bring peace to his country by fighting off the enemy. > His true aim is to bring peace. > But only when there is no longer concern of being a warrior, does true peace > come. > Fighting and peace cannot live together. > True peace cannot be forced. > > And so the true warrior does no longer think "us" vs "them", > but just lives. Some spiritual warriors do no battle outside self. Most true battles for any warrior anywhere is the battle within. Blessed Be Debee 6 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: "Debee L. Thomas" <> Subject: Re: Another Analogy > I'm trying to think of other words that might be more all encompassing that > embody the underlying intent of the word "warrior".... > > One that doesn't conjure images of 'us' vs 'them', 'me' vs 'myself', war, > battle, fatigue, false armor, super'human' effort, struggle, etc etc. > > Anyone? How about Journeyman, Explorer, Adventurerer, or Traveler? Blessed Be Debee 7 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: Karol Ann Barnett <> Subject: Re: Hello! Hi Dan: > sort of quandry, well, I felt that way before too, so I guess I can't > complain too much... To say it left me feeling like death warmed over > is an understatement, but I can't be that harsh either. It was both a > horrific experience and a most wonderous experience. > > Like something excessively hot, and yet soothingly cool all at the same > time. I have no better way of describing it. Ah, yes. You're a Gemini, all right (big grin)! Being myself on the cusp between Gemini and Cancer, I never know who I'm gonna be when I wake up! Welcome to the list! Please don't apologize for being new. I'm in my 8th year and sometimes I don't know what's happening either. This is a wonderful list, however, to solve problems, to find answers and to feel the support of others experiencing the same strange things. Karol Ann 8 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Warriors and such Hi: Arlene >Von, So much of what you have been writing reminds me of Deepak. Being nonjudgemental and unattached and letting go of expectations are some very interesting concepts and some that I am working on absorbing.< ------------------------------------------------------- Yes I am sure your recognize the concepts as they are very basic teachings from the Bhagavada-Gita. Most people on the list can not see much meaning in Deepaks works, but they have to understand that he is speaking to the western mind that has little spiritual training. Some people might find his work just the right thing to wake them up. For people on the list it may seem to simple when concepts like the following are hinted at: Things like, "don't hurt people." Don't kill people. What goes around comes around. Money is just energy Be happy and create your fortune, Etc. Many people are just now waking up and need be taught little baby steps first. Love, Von 9 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Another Analogy Hi: Debee In a message dated 96-08-14 20:34:08 EDT, kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com writes: << I'm trying to think of other words that might be more all encompassing that > embody the underlying intent of the word "warrior".... > > One that doesn't conjure images of 'us' vs 'them', 'me' vs 'myself', war, > battle, fatigue, false armor, super'human' effort, struggle, etc etc. > > Anyone? How about Journeyman, Explorer, Adventurerer, or Traveler? Blessed Be Debee >> ---------------------------------------- What about" Ego" Von 10 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: Dan Gahlinger <> Subject: Re: Hello! At 05:57 PM 8/14/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi Dan: > >Ah, yes. You're a Gemini, all right (big grin)! Being myself on the >cusp between Gemini and Cancer, I never know who I'm gonna be when I wake >up! I see I'm going to have to apologize for my humor outright too... I thought that was par for the course? you mean, theres more? oh well... :) I used to have mood-swings, typical gemini changing his mind every so often, then back in Nov or so I started doing exactly what you describe, waking up not knowing who i was. not that I ever did in the first place, but it was somehow more unsettling to have it so unstable that it was happening everyday. now the only difference is its happening faster, and sometimes that can be very scary to people. for me i remember everyone says to relax and take it easy, everything will work out. very hard words to follow. > >Welcome to the list! Please don't apologize for being new. I'm in my >8th year and sometimes I don't know what's happening either. This is >a wonderful list, however, to solve problems, to find answers and to >feel the support of others experiencing the same strange things. > well one mistake I made, the word is analogy, not metaphor. gaah my grammar is going fast. Ah, the same, yet different... :) thanks for the welcome, someday I hope something will make sense. I coined a NEW tagline for Kundalini! take a look below! it's Mine! I hereby copyright it in the name of the list (Well...): "All this, and kundalini too..." so what do you all think? yes, everyone is free to use it. :) Dan. there are always possibilities... Dan. There are always possibilities... 11 Date: Wed, 14 Aug From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.) Subject: all this and kundalini too Thanks Dan! But it seems to me that it is kundalini itself that heightens the astonishment, overwhelming feelings about, and gratitude for, "all this." And, of course, all this IS kundalini. Holly 12 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 From: Dolce Vita Subject: Re: children Is This a Spiritual Line or a Sex advertising via??? I can't believe that people who want to find out about kundalini awakening post things about having sex with children....Why don't the perverted people go to a porno mailing group and enjoy your aberrations...???? Whoever sends these messages probably don't have Kundalini awakening, that is a spiritual force that converts the awakened ones into more ethical, loving, pure people..... Hey really....what's going on????????? 13 Date: Thu, 15 Aug From: Graham Dumpleton <> Subject: Re: children What is going on, is that things were read into a mail message which weren't stated. Thus, the ensuing discussion was the result of people having jumped to conclusions about what the original person mean't. There have been many misunderstandings between people on this mailing list exactly because people were not clear about what they mean't when they initially sent a message, nor have the people responding to it necessarily been clear either. If you are going to send a message like you have, make sure you trace back to the very original mail message which caused a discussion. In a lot of cases you will find that the followups have diverged somewhat from the initial message and what the person was trying to say. -- Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au) 14 Date: Thu, 15 Aug From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer ) Subject: Re: Spontaneous mudra? You wrote: > > >Not only in mudras, but any position. >It is possible that kundalini has put you in this position. > >Like a bent hose, when the water turns on, the hose straightens out >and then proceeds to move on it's own accord, but it is the water inside >moving it. >Or you my grab ahold and intervene.(Guru?) > >Just watch the water. Witness the mudra. >This is meditation. > >Peace >John Halonen >------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks John, I REALLY enjoy a GOOD analogy. Somehow, they take a familiar part of the intellect that is common to both parties, and make that which is understood by the speaker suddenly illuminate that which has not been understood by the hearer - a mini-satori so-to-speak. Does this mean that the k-experience is really (in Canadian terms) a cosmic hosing? =-) %-) 8-} LOL (a lot lately) DAN AND DNA 15 Date: Thu, 15 Aug From: Wendy <> Subject: Re: Spontaneous mudra? more of an immutable dowse prepare for surfacing Daniel At 02:19 AM 8/15/96 -0700, you wrote: >You wrote: >> >> >>Not only in mudras, but any position. >>It is possible that kundalini has put you in this position. >> >>Like a bent hose, when the water turns on, the hose straightens out >>and then proceeds to move on it's own accord, but it is the water >inside >>moving it. >>Or you my grab ahold and intervene.(Guru?) >> >>Just watch the water. Witness the mudra. >>This is meditation. >> >>Peace >>John Halonen >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks John, >I REALLY enjoy a GOOD analogy. Somehow, they take a familiar part of >the intellect that is common to both parties, and make that which is >understood by the speaker suddenly illuminate that which has not been >understood by the hearer - a mini-satori so-to-speak. > >Does this mean that the k-experience is really (in Canadian terms) a >cosmic hosing? =-) %-) 8-} LOL (a lot lately) DAN AND DNA > > Leap and the net will appear. http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders ___________________ Don't take advice, take a chance, roll the dice, learn to dance. - David Wilcox ___________________ 16 Date: Thu, 15 Aug From: Graham Dumpleton <> Subject: Re: Spontaneous mudra? Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote: > > > > >Not only in mudras, but any position. > >It is possible that kundalini has put you in this position. > > > >Like a bent hose, when the water turns on, the hose straightens out > >and then proceeds to move on it's own accord, but it is the water > inside > >moving it. > >Or you my grab ahold and intervene.(Guru?) > > > >Just watch the water. Witness the mudra. > >This is meditation. > > I REALLY enjoy a GOOD analogy. Somehow, they take a familiar part of > the intellect that is common to both parties, and make that which is > understood by the speaker suddenly illuminate that which has not been > understood by the hearer - a mini-satori so-to-speak. How likely is it though that your hose full of water is going to lay itself out in a detailed pattern which has a recognisable symbolism to the observer? Watch a high pressure hose which isn't secured at the pointy end. Because it isn't constrained, all it tends to do is flick around uncontrollably in a completely chaotic manner. As an allogorical way of trying to describe mudras, it would thus seem to be inadequate. A different analogy one could use is a drum which has had sand placed on its surface. When the surface of the drum is struck, depending on the shape of the drum and how it is tuned, the sand will form a quite distinguishable pattern representative of how the drum surface resonated. The difference between the drum and the hose is that the drum surface is constrained. The constraint being applied to the surface of the drum could be liked to our consciousness. The actual surface of the drum being our body. Kundalini can be likened to a gateway. When it is activated, or when the gateway is opened, a more potent form of prana or energy is able to flow within the body. When this energy flows through our nervous system, it can indeed be compared to a hose full of water, in that due to our nervous system being linked to our muscular system, it can result in our muscles twitching. This twitching though is random and is no way under our control. However, if through some trigger our subconscious mind decides to take control of the system, we have the drum, and a particular pattern such as a mudra or asana results. -- Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au) 17 Date: Thu, 15 Aug From: Richard Satin <> Subject: Flames Excellent Point. Richard > > Hey really....what's going on????????? > From: Graham Dumpleton \ Internet: (grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au) > What is going on, is that things were read into a mail message which > weren't stated. Thus, the ensuing discussion was the result of people > having jumped to conclusions about what the original person mean't. > > There have been many misunderstandings between people on this mailing > list exactly because people were not clear about what they mean't when > they initially sent a message, nor have the people responding to it > necessarily been clear either. > > If you are going to send a message like you have, make sure you trace > back to the very original mail message which caused a discussion. In > a lot of cases you will find that the followups have diverged somewhat > from the initial message and what the person was trying to say. > > -- > Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au) > -- libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/ ............................................................................ I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want--an adorable pancreas? -Jean Kerr 18 Date: Thu, 15 Aug From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Teenagers,warriors,Egos Hi everyone: Wendy how about simply workers instead of warriors. I think women particularly think of killing when they think of warriors and so miss the point of the other part of that role. We are all workers in thespirit, whether we are nurturing, or battling evil or whatever. Rather like worker bees in a hive, we work together as a group to accomplish the same overall purpose. On teenagers: I've just graduated from 3 of them thank God! There were times when I thought it would never end. It does occur to me that we need a personality/ego before we can go behind to the real self. It is a persona we need to wear to survive in the world, until we can find out who we truly are. That is what the teenage years are about. How did I survive, Love,tolerance patience, humor and more love etc. I would frequently say I love you to them, even though they'd say Yeh I know ma, very disparagingly and go about their business. But you would see the back staighten a bit every time. They need to know we are on their side. I always discussed spirituality with them, took them to different groups over the years. They ended up with a kind of smorgasbord. Every problem that came up I discussed in terms of how to solve it on a spiritual level. I'ts important because they don't get any of this outside often. But most of all I was a sounding board who tried to stay as non-judgemental as possible, despite being their mother. Recently theyv'e told me they were glad they were brought up to think for themselves because it's a very good foundation for life. They also aren't afraid to explore their own religious beliefs. In the past we were expected to believe what society believed about everything, religion, customs, politics etc. It was shocking to be different. Hopfully this is all changing for the better. The ego: I agree that the ego is put upon us by other people. Don't do that, think this etc. It's social and parental conditioning that forms it. A young child has no ego, it just is. this is why spiritually speaking, the aim is to become a child again. We need to get back to who we were before the conditioning took hold. One of the ways I work on this is to watch my thoughts yes,. but in a particular way. when I hear myself saying you OUGHT to do this or you SHOULD do that I go whoo. those 2 words are the sign to me that this thinking is not mine it comes from conditioning form wherever, and I have to look at it closely. Doing this over the years has made me slowly realise who I am, I'm still at it of course, but it has helped me strip away a lot of conditioning. Before I did this I didn't like myself very much. That was because I was being someone else, a product of the conditioning. As I have worked this way, I've been able to be more my true self, whatever that is, and i like it much more. Why? Because it may not be anything special but it is genuine.. Love to all Jule