Date: Tue, 13 Aug kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 90 1 From: Richard SatinSubject: Fwd: Re: Reprint ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- From: Roethel, Karen \ Internet: (kroethelATNOSPAMfaxint.com) Subject: Re: Reprint Yes, I remember dream since childhood. I dreamed about the earthquake in California and Japan 7 years ago when I was in Vegas. The next day california was hit. I am starting to analyze my dreams now. I wake at 3:00 a.m. every morning like clock work. All the answers I need come to me at that time. At 3:00 in the morning I am hearing high pitched frequencies with specific toons and tones. I know I'm being programed and it annoys me. I feel I have no control over this. I know I am tapping into the universal ring of knowledge. But I believe the sounds are programing from our universal brothers without my permission. If I had one wish in this lifetime it would be to become a healer. The joy I could give to everyone would be beyond my greatest expectations. I want to do this and I shall be taught how to one day. Thanks for responding. Love and Light Karen ---------- Subject: Re: Reprint 2 Date: Monday, August 12, 1996 Subject: Re: Reprint Hi : Graham Dumpleton You said: >If I remember correctly, the Sai Baba Gita describes meditation as being devotion to God. If this is the case, then our very moment to moment existance can be meditation, be it active or passive. Ie., it isn't necessary to sit down to meditate, we only need express that devotion to God and to do everything with God in our heart, as a gift to God.< There are so many types of meditation. But true meditation comes only after concentration and again not every one can meditate. It takes very hard practice. Like you said::> " what a lot of people call meditation, ie. actually sitting or lyingdown etc, might be better classified simply as being relaxation or a form of active visualisation. "< As always, Von 3 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Spontaneous mudra? Hi: Daniel Rusch-Fischer You said: >During periods of intense stress, I have found (don't ask me why or how - I don't know) that holding my hands palms up, with the first and fourth fingers extended (like horns) but relaxed, the third finger gently curled back and touching the center of the palm, and the thumb and second finger touching in a relaxed circle provide a rush of calm that is unmatched by a tranquilizer.< Again there are many types of meditations. When said the above about holding your fingers in such a position. You must of seen a picture some place of someone with their fingers in this position, but most likely thay are counting their breathing cycles. In a more advanced meditation some times it is helpful to count the types and cycles of the breathing. The number and types of breaths are very important in advanced meditation. What the person is most likely doing is counting like for example the first finger and thumb is one and then the 2nd finger and thumb is two and so on. Also the first finger and thumb can be used as an aid in concentration. Every time your mind starts to wonder you press your thumb together until the concentration is focused again. Hope that this might help. As always, Von ===================================== 4 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Hello!!! Hi: Arlene Benjamin I am happy that you came on line. For some reason I felt that you were trying to get on-line and that is why I said," waiting of your post the last time." Guess you will see the meaning later on. Love, Von ===================================== 5 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: Wendy Subject: Ego, Patience, this n that Hi One and All, I'd be interested in hearing others' experiences, lessons, thoughts, excercises, readings about ego and the 'letting go of' or diminishing of. These are two 'biggies' for me and I'm spending more time looking at them and watching for them and working with/on them. I'm reminded of my first "contact" with Coyote while studying the Medicine Wheel and being tripped - literally and figuratively - throughout the day by my own Coyote medicine. Over and Over. To the point of feeling bruised and battered sometimes. That's also when the incredible sense of humor began to blossom. Irony seems, also, to be a large part of our awakenings. I think the laughter dulls the pain of the lessons sometimes, as it should. I'm still in awe of the experiences/lessons I've had over the past 4 - 6 years and how they're always present to call on or just rise up to conscious level over and over, just when we most need to 'hear' them again. It's as if we're given our own mini-diary of experiences to draw from when our earthly existence/form most needs the reminding of the profound knowledge and Light we've been made aware of....wakened to. Knowing what we know, having seen what we've seen, is it any wonder we struggle to incorporate all into daily living? As my teenage son rants and raves and his hormonal imbalance wreaks havoc upon his sense of equilibrium and spills out onto his younger twin brothers, I see such striking parallels to my own internal experience of k awakening and how its affects can sometimes defy all 'logic' to the casual, 'outside' observer but, deeply embodied in the experience is the undeniable knowingness that brings Light, Peace and Joy. I stop and wonder...hmmm.....did I experience that sense of Peace and Joy during my teenage years as well? And, if so, why'd I 'forget'???? LOL I watch him struggle through his hormonal zingy stuff and wonder what insights he's getting at the same time. Is it possible puberty is our first k awakening? Well, if not, at least it's helping me laugh about it as I walk side by side with my son's experience in it. And he walks side by side with his mom "in" her k. All our attempts to get 'high' in this culture can't compare to the high we've all experienced with K. When people lament the condition of the world today and how everyone is trying to drop out or avoid or mask over.....I see it differently now. We're not trying to become unconscious....but rather conscious....to awaken. Even those who are unaware at the time (all those poignant stories of ours from our past before K, as examples...and my own past experiences when I hadn't a clue what 'it' was alll about). This helps with finding the patience and understanding I need now with my son and others in the midst of their own struggles to awaken. At times I have the overwhelming desire to Be so "at one" with myself and the Universe...(something we seem to all have experienced with our K awakenings at various times and on various 'levels') - that Being who can simply Be - to be 'THERE'....so that I could actually reach out and touch others ....with a little 'shaktipat' on the butt....to those around me..... and watch them Be, too. This is much more pleasurable than wanting to whack a teenager when they 'lose control,' of course. I live with both feelings simultaneously. So, in effect, he and I are both experiencing similar 'states' of being. I think. I know, even if he doesn't yet, that he's struggling with his own Soul awakening, too. Envisioning such a state and existence of "Being" for us all here on Earth is enough fuel to keep the engine running. Patience and loss of ego seem to be my biggest lessons unlearned and constantly in need of reminding about. I admit to having doubts I'll ever get 'there'....but try to remember that the journey is not without purpose as well. Imagine a room full of shaktipatting each other! Peace and Love, Wendy ===================================== 6 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: Wendy Subject: People did I leave out the word "people" in that last line? LOL oops, all by accident Wendy ===================================== 7 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: Mary Knapp Subject: Re: teenagers and K At 02:48 PM 8/13/96 -0400, Wendy wrote: >I watch him struggle through his hormonal zingy stuff and wonder what >insights he's getting at the same time. Is it possible puberty is our first >k awakening? Well, if not, at least it's helping me laugh about it >as I walk side by side with my son's experience in it. And he walks side by >side with his mom "in" her k. > Wendy, Having worked with teenagers quite a bit I must agree that what so many of them go through can be nearly as intense as a K awakening. Quite aside from the body and hormonal changes and all the attendant emotional volitality, teenagers have a purity that translates into their being great "Bullshit Detectors". As society, families and schools are all full of compromises, weaknesses, agreed upon selective blindness, and other forms of "bullshit", the teenagers are often seen as rebels, antisocial, wayward, delinquent, etc. etc. Some join the herd (the herd cheers), some commit suicide, and some dull the pain or try to find a more real world in drugs. I wish I felt confident saying they all discover God and their own spirituality eventually. If I think lifetimes, yes, I could say that confidently. Wish they all had something like a K list, or all the marvelous books and Web sites that we do. I for one couldn't go through this without them...and that means you all. Thank you. Mary ===================================== 8 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: Arlene Benjamin Subject: Medicine Wheel:OOPS!!! >To: kundalin-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com >From: Arlene Benjamin > >Hi Wendy, >Thanks for a great letter. I'm working on the ego thing, too. I wonder if we >make it tougher than need be or if it is part of the process or if I over-analyze things, too much, as usual. (My Scorpio nature). > >Anyway, I'm interested in learning more about the medicine wheel. Would you >direct me to some sources? Thanks in advance. > >LOL means lots of laughs or even lots of love. > >Peace, Joy, and Harmony to all... >Namaste'...Arlene > An outer reflection* of inner thoughts* ===================================== 9 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: Royale Jills Subject: Re: Reprint About less meditating, I have also found that I can lessen the impacts of any K. activity by stopping all my attempts at meditation, pranayama, etc. I am lazy so I dont do much of it anymore. But someday---.Royale ===================================== 10 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re the goddess To Karol Ann: If you read about the early earth cultures, you will see that a priestess who worshipped the goddess was in charge. They married a man who was king for a year, and after that he was sacrificed to fertilise the crops. Depending on the particular culture he may have been flayed alive, dismemebered etc. and his various part ploughed into the ground. Not a very pretty picture. This was in the era when they thought women were the sole producers of the babies. They did not know about sperm in those days. Women had the upper hand then,they were mysterious and superior because they could produce, seemingly on a whim. But of course when men realised the truth, they then terroised us with brute force. Neither side was correct. We need to respect one another. that was what I was thinking about when I wrote about us having had the upper hand as women at one time. If you read about Ancient Greece. Particularly stories like that of Theseus you will see a lot about how the interaction of men and women has changed. The book The King must Die by Mary Stewart is a novel about Theseus which covers this pretty well. Love Jule ===================================== 11 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer ) Subject: Fwd: Re Lady with the throat chakra problem Hi everyone: While the lady Dan saw with the throat chakra problem, may actually have a problem, I have been working on something similar with the collective unconscious. As many have discussed we have been cut off from our true spiritual existence here on earth to develop these bodies. Psychically I saw this as if earth had had her head just about torn off her shoulders because her throat had been cut. when i first went through "K" and the energies were running through me unabated, i kept hearing "beheaded" over and over again. We in a sense have been beheaded by having an existence here on earth.. so Dan the lady in question, may have been a metaphor for all of us. Becauseof our past there is also a sense that we have been prostituted, and lost our true greatness. In a sense, here we are all living in the streets etc. thought this might be interesting background for you. Love Jule ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interesting, indeed. But, I have to come to the defense of the lady in question. I mentioned that she was a professional dominatrix-that is not any kind of prostitute. As a matter of record, none of them that I know engage in ANY sexual act as part of their jobs. They NEVER undress (although their clients usually do - but then so do doctor's, physical therapist's, masseur's, etc.)and they do NOT permit their clients to touch them in a sexual way. They do, however, provide their clients with Intensive Tactile Therapy - sometimes shocking amounts and varieties of it. They are paid from $120/hour to a more usual $175/hour and even higher especially if the client wants them to be on the receiving end (in those cases, they always have another person watch as a silent witness - read that bodyguard). They are often highly intelligent, well-educated, and surprisingly intuitive people. Oh-oh, my wife insists that I mention that I have never used their services - they are just acquaintances since this odd k-thing - she also says that if I NEED a spanking she would be delighted to give it to me for free. 8-0 YEOW!!! DAN ===================================== 12 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: Mary Knapp Subject: Re: Fwd: Re Lady with the throat chakra problem At 02:05 PM 8/13/96 -0700, Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote: >Hi everyone: >While the lady Dan saw with the throat chakra problem, may actually >have a problem, . >Love Jule >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Interesting, indeed. But, I have to come to the defense of the lady in >question. I mentioned that she was a professional dominatrix-that is >not any kind of prostitute. As a matter of record, none of them that I >know engage in ANY sexual act as part of their jobs. They NEVER undress >(although their clients usually do - > >DAN A one sided relationship such as described would of course restrict free communication - throat chakra problem indeed! She's probably stifling screams (of pity maybe) all day long. I'll bet her feet hurt too! =-] (from the high heels...) Mary ===================================== 13 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 From: "Debee L. Thomas" Subject: Re: Another Analogy > Before enlightnment chop wood, carry water > After enlightenment chop wood, carry water > > > There is something between these lines. It's the place i live. > I must have jumped into a river, and i cannot go back. > I have heart tales and stories about the other shore. > Sometimes i imagine to see its outlines faintly in the distance. > I am uncertain because i don't know. > I don't know if my efforts bring me close. > I don't know if the stream will carry me near. > > I have my moments. > Then i chop water. Or carry wood. You have caused me to stop and wonder about the space in between. I find myself thinking that this space consists of our own personal perspective. Perhaps we think of enlightenment as far more than it truly is? Perhaps this space is one where we spend some time figuring out that enlightenment is not what we first thought. We may think we are going to be moved to some heightened position only to find out that we just simply are. Perhaps we discover that we don't have to be more but rather just be. No matter what our job, position, title etc. we just ARE in the total scheme of things. From this space we can reach out and assist others along their path. Isn't that what enlightenment, true enlightenment is all about? Every great master/teacher thoughout time has done this. Become enlightened and helped others along the same path. Just a few of my thoughts on the space between Blessed Be Debee ===================================== 14 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer ) Subject: Re: Fwd: Re Lady with the throat chakra problem You wrote: Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote: Hi everyone: While the lady Dan saw with the throat chakra problem, may actually have a problem, .Love Jule ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interesting, indeed. But, I have to come to the defense of the lady in question. I mentioned that she was a professional dominatrix-that is not any kind of prostitute. As a matter of record, none of them that I know engage in ANY sexual act as part of their jobs. They NEVER undress (although their clients usually do - DAN ---------------------------- A one sided relationship such as described would of course restrict free communication - throat chakra problem indeed! She's probably stifling screams (of pity maybe) all day long. I'll bet her feet hurt too! =-] (from the high heels...) Mary ---------------------------- Mary, you crack me up LOL =-) 8-) 8-0 =-) The lady in question is a white-haired grandmother, has a deeply spiritual nature, AND can curse like a sailor! She has a joie-de-vivre that is unmatched by most women and men that I know. She is about 5'2", petite, was a paralegal, AND will lay a cat-o-nine-tails on someone like a boatswains mate from the H.M.S. Bounty and SMILE sweetly! She is the very soul of dichotomy. What you said about free communication struck a cord with me, though. I have only been around this woman briefly at parties. She bubbles effusively and freely when the talk is small and general, but she changes dramatically when the topic is personal and emotional; then she seems to change into a sputter, the words flow in short, almost spit-out, bursts, with perceptible silences between. This is the time when she will start to intersperse her speech with the sailor-salt I mentioned above. Does any of that relate to any traditional throat chakra stuff (I know I should go read this material myself, but it is so much easier to twiddle it out of those who have already expended that energy - besides, I get bogged down trying to figure out what is really being said in the literature sometimes). Thanks, DAN ===================================== 15 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer ) Subject: Re: From Jule to DAN YOU WROTE: Hi: Just wanted to say that I am so salt sensitive, that I can taste it if i have too much in my body. Love Jule ================ Dear Jule, Thanks for the advice. I have found that my salt intake has decreased markedly - it seems to have a tangy/metallic taste that it didn't before. BTW, Jule is an uncommon name (if you are U.S.) is that male/female, nickname? DAN ===================================== 16 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber) Subject: Sexual energies (Re: Fwd: Re Lady with the throat chakra problem At 01:46 AM 8/14/96 -0700, Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote: >mentioned above. Does any of that relate to any traditional throat >chakra stuff (I know I should go read this material myself, but it is >so much easier to twiddle it out of those who have already expended >that energy - besides, I get bogged down trying to figure out what is >really being said in the literature sometimes). Thanks, DAN Hi everyone... I just returned from a brief but wonderful vacation with my friend, a healer, in NM, and I hope you don't mind a slight veer to the right of the topic. In addition to all the other healing work we did, she gave me a book entitled "The Lover Within" by Julie Henderson. I just finished it on the plane, and it is absolutely excellent. It is only in small part about sex and sexuality, and a whole lot more about simply learning to live and enjoy life in energetic terms....it does not discuss the technicalities of chakra balance, but about energy and how we use it and how we can make better use of it to be in touch with our bodies and who we are. I have copied here for you, the final brief chapter which describes the book in technical terms. My friend gave it to me, because it was something she found useful while celibate to perceive sexual energy and desire as energies which we have control over and can allow ourselves to feel and learn from without having to act on them...(most of the time I don't act on them, but it turns into "longing" and "loneliness" and all those other negative feelings which we are programmed to feel because we are "meant" to unite with someone else....and that can turn into self pity quickly... BTW, deciding celibacy removes all this.) It's $10.95 and about the same size as Chakra Therapy. It is quite interesting, particularly in the ways we can learn to "manipulate" our energy to all situations in daily life to acheive maximum physical, emotional, and spiritual balance, health, and pleasure. I plan to incorporate some of the exercises into my regular morning yoga routine. I wonder if anyone else has read it and how you feel about it. Maimu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From the final chapter: A Note on the Structure of the Lover Within The Lover Within is balanced between formal and friendly intentions, and its structure reflects that. Formal structure is based on an Ericksonian model of layered and partially indirect access to information. The first, and most obvious, layer of content concerns the energetic aspects of sexuality, relationship, and union. The second level of information is discussed overtly in part and by implication throughout. This level is concerned with voluntary energy distribution, with the relationship of energy distribution in the body to feeling and behavior, and with how to gain some measure of choice over how one feels. The third level of information focusses on inducing (in the Ericksonian sense) the specific sensations of *being*, as contrasted with *existing.* This distinction in the quality of consciousness is something that can be better taught by demonstration and induction than explained; for that reason the third layer relies almost entirely on nonlinear communication. The topic of sexuality, sexual intimacy, and other possibilities of union acts as a kind of "grabber," attracting and focussing conscisou attention and making energy available for the other levels of learning. The second layer is most clearly visible in the chapters on "Energetic Habits" and "The Energetic Breaths," which formulate an approach to chracter and structure in the energy body. The third layer proceeds by instruction in the skills of direct perception of life energy and of voluntary distribution of personal energies--in daily life as well as in sexual rellationship. These skills are then applied to volitional merging and separation of energy fields between partners, the voluntary creation of energetic dipole and charge, and the experience of a variety of patterns of energetic union. The book has the more obvious form of a conversation with the reader. This conversation is relatively informal and ranges over a wide variety of apparent and actual topics e.g., the sources of sexual misery and sexual pleasure; life energy, generally and sexually; human boundaries in the context of quantum mechanics; how our energetic boundaries and energy level effect our reltaionships; our "energetic habits"; what do do about our boundaries and habits; how to begn to relate to life as a potentially pleasureable "love affair" rather than a bed of pain. Dispersed through this conversation are 63 exercises--a kind of programmed learning series--in how to experience life energy directly, how to move it voluntarily and with purpose, to increase freedom and pleasure in being, and to increase the individual's (or couple's) capacity for charge, excitement, pleasure, and intimacy with our without sexual intercourse. The theoretical and experiential bases of the book are drawn from such usually disparate fields as bioenergetics and somatics, arts, and quantum theory. The tone, however, is friendly and practical, so that the reader should ifnd it possibl with some ease to experience results of increased liveliness, pleasure, and freedom of choice. In relation to other disciplines, TLW offers certain particular possible contributions. In a transpersonal context, it represents a "re-invention" of the energetic aspects of tantra. From a bioenergetic or somatic point of view, its main interest is an energetic appraoch to character structure. For sexologiests and sex therapists, it introduces the concept of charge as a factor in sexual desire, excitment, and pleasure and offers some effective means for working directly with charge in treatment. ------------------------------------------------ When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...... Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did.