Date: Fri, 09 Aug kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 83
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From: John Halonen
Subject: A pencel has effortless effort.
Living and witnessing the moment is like being a pencil.
Effortless effort.
Energy flows through you and all that was tied to you can be erased.
Peace,
John Halonen
2 Date: Fri, 9 Aug
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Meditation
John Halonen said:
Standing in meditation,
Sitting in meditation,
Moving in meditation,
Laughing in meditation,
Crying in meditation,
no meditation.
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Jule said:
>It's like Debbie I think it was said:
Before enlightnment chop wood, carry water
After enlightenment chop wood, carry water
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Own interpretation:
1.chop wood & carry water
2.carry water
3 water.
4.Bliss.
1 Crying in meditation,
2 Moving in meditation,
3 Standing in meditation,
4 Sitting in meditation
5 Laughing in meditation,
6 no meditation.
7 Bliss
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1. Outside the spinning wheel falling off.
2. Climbing to the center of the spinning wheel
7. In the center of the spinning wheel.
Bliss
Always,
Von
3 Date: Fri, 09 Aug
From: Denise Clausen <>
Subject: Re: Leak
Michelle Withers wrote:
>
> Dear Denise and all,
>
> I'm afraid I haven't got any brilliant ideas on what this feeling is in our
> feet, but I will add my experience to the discussion - to shed light on it
> maybe :)
>
> I feel heat - not uncomfortable unless I'm trying to sleep - on the soles
> of my feet. I go barefoot as much of the year so this isn't really so bad.
> Lately the feeling has become irritating at night, such a heat coming from
> my feet!! it must be unusual :) My feet used to be more cold that hot, so
> this is something new for me.
>
> At night I get all jumpy because I have to keep moving them around to keep
> the heat down.
>
> Any comments or ideas on what this is?? It isn't an unpleasant thing -
> just odd, and new.
>
> I have the impression that it is just another energy shifting within my
> body - my hands did this for awhile when I was working with crystals. Now
> I am more focussed on Mother Earth energy.
>
> In light,
>
> Michelle
It is I believe,that because your focusing on the mother earth energy, and since the
energy would come up thru your feet, that you have opened a channel that allows energy
to come up into you thur your feet. This seems perfecly normal,whatever that means, but
it seems normal to me that you are experiencing this feeling in your feet.Do your hands
still feel funny also? The only thing that I would worry about is if you could feel
a like drawing of energy excaping your feet and that is not what your feeling.Crystals
are and excellent way of adding to the energy that you already have,with what you have
you could cure cancer.
Love, Denise
4 Date: Fri, 09 Aug
From: Denise Clausen <>
Subject: Re: Wondering!
Karol Ann Barnett wrote:
>
> Hi Denise: Did you post a question to the list about your daughter (I
> think) having dreams of being blind? Karol Ann
>
> On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Denise Clausen wrote:
>
> > Karol Ann Barnett wrote:
> > >
> > > this seems like the kind of metaphorical dreams that I have.
> > > my impression is that there is something in her reality that
> > > she is not seeing. perhaps her own clairvoyance?Were you speaking of me, perhaps?
> >
Karol,
I was not the Denise that posted a list on my daughter.There is another Denise,but I
am the one that started the post Wondering, which was about the possibility that
we are only half the people we use to be,regarding chakras, and the possibility that
we only have 7 chakras instead of a possible 12 main chakras, thinking that we may have
somehow been downbread.
Denise
5 Date: Fri, 09 Aug
From: Denise Clausen
Subject: Re: Some personal info
Richard Satin wrote:
>
>
> ------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------
>
>
> From: Tal, Daniel \ Internet: (talATNOSPAMcira.colostate.edu)
>
>
> My name is Daniel Tal
>
> I want to relate the sigh of relif that I feel that this mailing list
> and Web site exits for the peoples of Kundalini.
> I have been aware of Kundalini in my life now for 3 years. I would not
> have used that word to describe the transformation and have only become
> aware of the Word KUNDALINI until recently.
> I am 24 years old and a collage student in Colorado. The kundalini for
> me is a 24 hour a day prrocess of feeling tingles, energy up my spine, a
> powerful sense of presence, increased intution, deep insight... the list
> goes on.
> For several years I have tried to explain this to people around me. In
> fact there are people who are of close relations to me who have kundalin
> in thier lives as well. This is a recent discovery and is somewhat
> comforting. However, for the longest time I thouht I was going nuts.( in
> fact one therapsit related to me that I was having delusions.)
> I have trusted my intution and have found my self in the midst of the
> largets trasnformation since becoming aware of this LOVE. Two things
> this summer have sped up things inside of me. I went to a Rainbow
> Gathering (in the Ozarks of Missouri) in which the energy there opened
> me up even more. And finding the Shared Transformation site allowed me
> to Realize and confirm for me what was happening.
>
> I thank you for that and all others who take part of this Site and New
> letter.
>
> I love You ALL
>
> Daniel.
> >
>
> ------- FORWARD, End of original message -------
>
> --
> libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
> ............................................................................
> The pure in heart will avoid the struggles, detour the tar pits,
> blind their eyes to the sirens. The problem is that in avoiding
> the paths that contain the tar, you may never reach any
> destination; in avoiding temptation, you remain pure, but
> irrelevant. Life is tar pits and sirens.
> Donald A. Norman
I believe that most therapists are suffering from delusions of grandure!
Denise
6 Date: Fri, 09 Aug
From: Denise Clausen <>
Subject: Re: A pencel has effortless effort.
John Halonen wrote:
>
>
> Living and witnessing the moment is like being a pencil.
>
> Effortless effort.
>
> Energy flows through you and all that was tied to you can be erased.
>
> Peace,
> John Halonen
Everyone makes mistakes, but when the eraser wears out before the pencil does, your
overdoing it! Denise
7 Date: Fri, 9 Aug
From: Wendy
Subject: Re: Some personal info
>I believe that most therapists are suffering from delusions of grandure!
> Denise
well, they're only human denise
and it appears to be a rather large aspect of the species
Wendy
Leap and the net will appear.
http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders
___________________
Don't take advice, take a chance, roll the dice, learn to dance.
- David Wilcox
___________________
8 Date: Fri, 9 Aug
From: cmwithATNOSPAMcris.com (Michelle Withers)
Subject: Re: To Daniel
Dear Jule and all,
Michelle here. Jule said...
> I'd be interested to hear
>if others have radically changed their lives, or are we all still carrying
>water?
>
I believe that my life has changed in the best way possible. From the
outside looking in not much has changed - although I am producing angels
which came from a vision. The sculpting gives me the opportunity to openly
speak to people about just about any area of spirituality I feel is
appropriate within the situation.
On the inside is where the changes has taken place. I am a much more
loving person than I ever realized - and I am thankful for the life I have.
I am thankful for the land I live on, and the wonderful people I have
surrounded myself with. I am thankful for the fact that I was able to
remember HOW (unconcious) this time around HOW to be happy and fill my life
with positive people - and to shed those who don't see me for the person I
am.
I am living in the moment, and casting off judgement more and more as time
goes by. Being judgemental is a very hard thing to give up.
I am starting to not care what people think of me. I can be open about my
spirituality and am finding that people aren't judging me incorrectly, and
that peole actually find my views exciting :) Which makes it all much
easier to let more and more of my spirit shine through. I have SO much
more confidence than I have ever in my lives.
Outwardly I am still running a daycare, and putting up with dirt around the
toilet, and toys everywhere, but my life has more meaning than I ever
thought possible. :) I no longer find myself going insane from all the
noise, excitement, and joy from the children, and I allow the childrens'
life force mix with mine and hold me up to heaven.
Outwardly I wear more jewelry and design clothes for myself on instinct -
which is a past life thing and makes me feel wonderful. So I guess my
clothes wouldn't be the sort which you could walk into a store and buy :)
I act a bit like a gypsy, or mystic these days and I believe that it is
starting to be outwardly obvious that I have changed. I can't reply to
conversations the same way I used to, and find small talk very difficult to
participate in.
I find that I am not able to tell white lies - or even any type of untruth
- so I guess this would be an outward change. I can't watch TV easily
anymore - unless I've planned on watching a particular show. I am eating
VERY differently than I used to and feel the desire to exercise - the
energy flows much better if I eat healthy and have muscles which have been
stretched - I honor my body.
In my case I believe that we are changing for the better. I went to a
powow last night in which I heard many stories of people "awakening" one
day and wondered why they had made their lives in the enemy camp. Found
they couldn't survive in such hostile territory - up and left - and
completely changed their lives - for the absolute better.
I think it boils down to whether you "awaken" to find yourself surrounded
by people who truly enjoy your company (like in my case) - or "awakening"
to find yourself miserable, and hopeless, and with a life without the
meaning you expected to find.
Some of us will take small measures to correct our surroundings - to
surround ourselves in healing energy, and let our spirit heal and grow into
the new way. Others of us will need to take drastic measures to heal our
selves, and be surrounded by loving people.
This is not to say that everyone must be loving and joyous - just that we
need to be understood. So often we find ourselves in company with certain
people who we just don't connect with, and who obviously misinterpret us.
I usually find myself knocking heads with these types of people, and though
I sometimes can enjoy their company - it's not healthy to live with someone
who mis-reads you, and doesn't see you as you see yourself.
I guess I've talked long enough for such a small question - but that's my
way :)
In light and love,
Michelle
9 Date: Fri, 9 Aug
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: To Daniel
Hi: Michelle Withers
When you said," The sculpting gives me the opportunity to openly
speak to people about just about any area of spirituality I feel is
appropriate within the situation. "
Did you mean sculpturing? Sorry if I didn't understand your meaning.
Also I like when you said ,"I am living in the moment, and casting off
judgement more and more as time goes by. Being judgemental is a very hard
thing to give up. You also said, "outwardly I wear more jewelry and design
clothes for myself on instinct which is a past life thing and makes me feel
wonderful.
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Did you noticed that every single person that experienced this kundlini is in
some way also doing some kind of creative art like photography, writing,
jewelry making, painting, sculpturing. Before my own experience I did not do
much of anything relating to art. Now I can play the piano which no one
taught me. I invented a system of mixed media painting with an airbrush,
watercolors, scalpel blades, Etc. Also I do casting from plastic into gold
or silver. No one taught me any of these things so where does it come from?
Do you think that once this energy is awakened then these talents just come
out of no place. Many times when I finish a piece of art I think that this
could not be me.
I do get frightened when I am talking with some one on subjects that I know
nothing about. I know myself that I know nothing about the subject, but all
the right words just come out. The person may say how do you know all of
these things? Then I look inside my self and think," I have no idea?"
You just can not say I am crazy as I had my own medical / scientific sales
and service company for many years and again no on ever taught me anything.
How can you fix scientific equipment without training? Many times I go home
and go to bed then project myself out into the machine at the hospital or
wherever. I mentally travel around the wires, switches and pipes until I
locate the problem. Then the next day I just go straight to the machine and
fix it.
I am an man, but I like to cook. One time someone asked me," where did you
learn to cook at? Then I realized that I have no idea as no one ever taught
me to cook. Many women ask me to cook a turkey or some thing for them. I
don't mind, but where did I learn these things. I am not saying this to
brag as it really does bother me.
If I sound weird on some of my posts then now maybe you can understand a
little why.
Can you or anyone relate to this?
>As you Michelle said ,"' As you I am starting to not care what people think
of me. I can be open about my spirituality and am finding that people aren't
<
As always,
Von
10 Date: Sat, 10 Aug
From: rbertanATNOSPAMpc.jaring.my (Lat & Ramesh)
Subject: Introduction to Sahaja Yoga
Hello everyone!
I've been reading the many messages about kundalini and the many
experiences you have all had. Obviously, there are so many seekers out
there, which is wonderful. There's something beautiful I want to share with
you..it's called Sahaja Yoga. I've been practising it for 4 years now and
the way my life has been transformed from doubts about spirituality to a
complete opening out of all its potential has been tremendous, plus many,
many miracles that have touched my life and the lives of other Sahaja
Yogis.
First, some background...I was a 'scientific sceptic' of everything that
claimed to be spiritual, yet with a deep and abiding hunger to find it in
reality. Thus, I stumbled from holy scripture to holy scripture, from one
religious tract to another, hoping to find the truth, which I felt was
universal and absolute. One day I attended what I thought was another
introductory talk on just another "yoga" and met Shree Mataji Nirmala
Devi, the founder of sahaja Yoga. In Her talk to all the seekers who had
gathered, She said Truth is not something we can conceive with our mind, as
it is itself a subjective, conditioned part of us, that truth is actualized
by the awakening of the Kundalini which is the feminine power of God who
loves us like our Mother. Then, she proceeded to raise the kundalini of
each one of us, en masse, a process which took a total of 15 minutes. The
process is spontaneous and comfortable. When the kundalini reached the
Sahasrara, the 7th chakra, that 1000-petalled lotus opened and a cool,
breeze- like sensation was felt on both hands and from the top of the head.
That was the beginning of my journey. As time went on, the techniques and
knowledge of Sahaja Yoga were revealed...and with the code of the chakras
which manifest on the different fingers, all such knowledge is verifiable
by each one of us. Truth was no longer remote, it was within me. As was
God, whose love and grace could be felt each moment of the day, in the form
of beautiful vibrations. Every Sahaja Yogi feels this. So can you! Then all
these doubts about the various experiences you are having and the struggle
...with lust, greed, aggression, whatever negative are simply melted away
by the joy of your spirit. This happens because the kundalini rises through
the chakras and in the process, cleanses and clears them so that their
innate, Divine qualities can manifest unhampered by our own personal
limitations.
Sahaja Yoga is practised worldwide in 110 countries and it is COMPLETELY
FREE OF CHARGE. To find out more, search for " Sahaja Yoga " in Netscape or
go to the location www.cs.purdue/homes/costian/sy/more.html.
God bless you all.
Lat
11 Date: Fri, 9 Aug
From: cmwithATNOSPAMcris.com (Michelle Withers)
Subject: Re: To Daniel
Dear Von and all,
Michelle here. Von was telling us about his understanding of many
different ways of life. He says......
>I do get frightened when I am talking with some one on subjects that I know
>nothing about. I know myself that I know nothing about the subject, but all
>the right words just come out. The person may say how do you know all of
>these things? Then I look inside my self and think," I have no idea?"
I have been many times in this situation, and it's a very strange feeling.
In one moment you are completely doubting that you can actually carry off
doing this certain thing - then it appears that you instinctively know what
you are talking about, and it's in the trust that we can do these things
that I have found to be the key.
>You just can not say I am crazy as I had my own medical / scientific sales
>and service company for many years and again no on ever taught me anything.
> How can you fix scientific equipment without training? Many times I go home
>and go to bed then project myself out into the machine at the hospital or
>wherever. I mentally travel around the wires, switches and pipes until I
>locate the problem. Then the next day I just go straight to the machine and
>fix it.
>
>I am an man, but I like to cook. One time someone asked me," where did you
>learn to cook at? Then I realized that I have no idea as no one ever taught
>me to cook. Many women ask me to cook a turkey or some thing for them. I
>don't mind, but where did I learn these things. I am not saying this to
>brag as it really does bother me.
>
>If I sound weird on some of my posts then now maybe you can understand a
>little why.
>
>Can you or anyone relate to this?
I certainly can. I have taken MANY many long looks within to figure out
these questions as to how and why I have so many different varied talents,
which are not attached to gender. I am a wiz with construction tools, and
engines, and have brute strength and determination with large projects.
Nothing daunts me if I feel I can do it - then by God I"ll do it!! :)
I started having visions about a year ago, which all tied in with these
*knowings* - as I call them. Why would I feel such a desire to wear
jewelry (for instance). Hand crafted by only me - nothing else would be
perfect - and I knew just how to do it. So I did. When I started putting
on this jewelry it was like a slow building - took months sometimes,
opening doors within, allowing the possability of memories, but not quite
memories of wearing this jewelry, and learning to make it. This was a
*knowing*, that I had taken lifetimes of learning to get it "right" -
jewelry making that is. I had perfected the trade, and mastered it.
Past life memories have become a part of my reality. I am believing now
that all of the things I instinctively *know* how to do, I know because
I've lived the life many times before.
I also believe that we are all masters - living on this earth now. That
all of us have had to appeal (in a sense) to have been allowed to
participate in this event which is starting to happen within earth, heaven,
and humanity.
This is my reality, so please don't argue with my views. I am not
preaching, just sharing my experience for the sake of it, and maybe
spreading a little of my good energy around :)
I was told last night at a powow that I have "good medicine".
In light and love,
Michelle
12 Date: Fri, 09 Aug
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: "neat way to crucify kundalini"
Don't be sorry!!! Makes you feel free, doesn't it?
>
>
>Hi everyone!
>
> This is regarding the posts on kundalini and the various religions
>or religious leaders - dead or alive.
>
> Kundalini has nothing to do with all this. Kundalini or energy was
>there, when none of them were there. It will be the same when all of them
>are dead and gone. It is what has created all these, and into it all
>dissolve. All the religions only tried to find its(k's) truths in the best
>way they could, and express it to the people of those times in the best
> way
>they could. Whatever they said then, sounds sometimes ridiculous now.
>Today, religion has become the gratest curse of humankind for two basic
>reasons - one, it has divided humankind, and two - it has kept us from
>discovering or rediscovering the real truth for ourselves today - afresh
> and
>alive.
>
>Gurus, masters, gods and the like - keep us away from making effort and
>discovering the only true master or guru - our own inner-self.
>Sorry, but that's the way I feel,
>
>Tej
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
13 Date: Sat, 10 Aug
From: Wendy <>
Subject: Akashic records line
>From Von via Michelle:
>Michelle here. Von was telling us about his understanding of many
>different ways of life. He says......
>
>
>>I do get frightened when I am talking with some one on subjects that I know
>>nothing about. I know myself that I know nothing about the subject, but all
>>the right words just come out. The person may say how do you know all of
>>these things? Then I look inside my self and think," I have no idea?"
>
>I have been many times in this situation, and it's a very strange feeling.
>In one moment you are completely doubting that you can actually carry off
>doing this certain thing - then it appears that you instinctively know what
>you are talking about, and it's in the trust that we can do these things
>that I have found to be the key.
>
>>You just can not say I am crazy as I had my own medical / scientific sales
>>and service company for many years and again no on ever taught me anything.
>> How can you fix scientific equipment without training? Many times I go home
>>and go to bed then project myself out into the machine at the hospital or
>>wherever. I mentally travel around the wires, switches and pipes until I
>>locate the problem. Then the next day I just go straight to the machine and
>>fix it.
>>
>>I am an man, but I like to cook. One time someone asked me," where did you
>>learn to cook at? Then I realized that I have no idea as no one ever taught
>>me to cook. Many women ask me to cook a turkey or some thing for them. I
>>don't mind, but where did I learn these things. I am not saying this to
>>brag as it really does bother me.
>>
>>If I sound weird on some of my posts then now maybe you can understand a
>>little why.
>>
>>Can you or anyone relate to this?
Yes, I can relate. This happens to me quite often, Von. At first, as I
became conscious of it a few years ago, I thought it was 'new'....but, upon
looking back, realize I've been doing this a lot my whole life to varying
degrees.
People have frequently asked my "i.q." in conventional terms, or asked how I
came by so much knowledge on subjects that I really had no formal education
or training about....and I sort of dismiss it...but have always been amazed
that I seem to have access and tap into those Akashic records Cayce talks
about and pull what I need to know.
I think we're all capable of this....and probably do it more frequently than
we are aware of.
It's great to be reading that others have these same experiences. The
validation is, of course, another Blessing.
Thanks, Von and Michelle
Wendy
Leap and the net will appear.
http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders
___________________
Don't take advice, take a chance, roll the dice, learn to dance.
- David Wilcox
___________________
14 Date: Sat, 10 Aug
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: To Daniel
Hi: Michelle Withers
Thanks for the reply as it means a lot to me. I will save it and reply to
you later.
There are a few people like yourself and a few that," never" post, but can
see right through this computer monitor. That is what makes this life and
list very meaningful. There are two meanings in everything and even here,
too
Love,
Von
15 Date: Sat, 10 Aug
From: Wendy <>
Subject: Introduction to Sahaja Yoga
Lat,
Many thanks for the information about Sahaja Yoga. I'm at the website now
reading all. There is a great deal of very basic, simple info here on
Kundalini which others, like me, who are relatively new to it all, might
find helpful.
I'd be interested to hear from any on the list who practice Sahaja yoga and
their experiences.
I especially liked this paragraph, one of the first I read at the website:
How can I get my Self Realization ?
You can have your Self Realization by sitting in front of your computer.
The only thing that is necessary is the desire to have it. Otherwise the
Kundalini cannot rise, since the Kundalini is the power of pure desire
in us - that is, the desire which exists within us to ascend spiritually
and achieve our true nature.
Simplicity itself. Even if the manifestations involved aren't so easily
grasped, understood and experienced.
Wendy
Leap and the net will appear.
http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders
___________________
Don't take advice, take a chance, roll the dice, learn to dance.
- David Wilcox
___________________
16 Date: Sat, 10 Aug
From: Royale Jills
Subject: To all
Hi guys, I havent recieved any mail from you for a while. I have a question for you
all. For some time now at anywhere from 3:00 am to 6:00am I have a visitation from an
unknown energy source and it wakes me up. I think it is just K. but I cant figure why
it wants me to wake up so early. I can never get back to sleep. Ive tried to talk to
it but it doesnt seem to understand talking. At first Ithought it was a spirit that was
lost or something and I kept sending it to the light (as instructed dby a psychic
friend) but that didnt work either. Usually , it wakes me up ssuddenly when I am in a
deep sleep with just heavy tingles all over but mostly in thigh area. But sometimes it
will kinda yell (softly) in my ear as it did this morning. The sound seems to be in my
head but localized in right ear. Any idea? (Im sure you do.) Thanks .Royale