Date: Sun, 4 Aug kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 78 

From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Duality-good and evil

These theories work for me. I'll buy them. Anything else new in the book
making *it* worth buying? =-]

Mary

At 03:15 PM 8/4/96 -0400, SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
>Hi everyone:
>
>I am reading a book called The Sirius Connection, by Murray Hope.  She has a
>very interesting idea that I thought I'd share, because I've never thought of
>the above subject quite in this way before.
>
>1)  The reason we experience time on earth differently to the supposed UFO"s,
>and the rest of the universe, is because earth is caught in a time warp.
>
>2)  Evil is a misplaced or misdirected energy, that is out of it's correct
>time sequence.
>So earth in a way has become a kind of sinkhole for negative energies, which
>we must transmute finally here in this dimension.
>
>3)Evil is chaos, but according to chaos theory, it too must eventually become
>self-organising. So for all it's rebellion, the stray negative energy fields
>here, and their accompanying intelligences, eventually find their way back to
>the matrix.
>
>4)Psychic healing is based upon moving out of the present time and depositing
>the misplaced energy that is causing illness into the time zone appropriate
>to it's origin.
>
>Thought these were very interesting.
>
>Love Jule
>
>


Date: Sun, 4 Aug 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: To Anne, Denise, Elmnoval

At 03:28 PM 8/4/96 -0400, SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

>Like Royale I thought the brain tumor was a letdown, but then there are many
>people out there who have not heard of "K" including Hollywood types.  Even
>if they had, they probably thought the public would not have believed it.

How about spiritual transformation or another similarly descriptive phrase?
That could be easier for the average movie goer to take, and closer to our
experience, and maybe even to John Travola's and the Scientologists!


>
>That missing time sounds just like the stories peole tell who have had UFO
>visitations.
>Personally I think of them as a different part of ourselves.  But even so you
>were obviously tuning into something that is not part of normal earth reality
>for you.
>People who are close often can do these things together.
>One of my daughter's and I often dream of the same subject, even though we
>live a thousand miles apart, for instance.


I love that! And the different part of ourselves theory.  I'll buy it too.
Far more comfy than alien abduction.

Mary


Date: Sun, 4 Aug 
From: Geoffrey Keyte 
Subject: Using Emotions as Spiritual Tools for Growth

Hi,

My partner - Georgette Vachon - has recently prepared the following
workshop syllabus which I feel will be of relevance and interest to members
of this list:-

USING EMOTIONS AS SPIRITUAL TOOLS FOR GROWTH

There are many tools available to us in these days of Spiritual
Development to bring us closer to the Divine Source. Some of the
simplest, yet most profound tools are our own emotions. When you
consider that each emotion is an energetic experience, you can
appreciate that this energy can be used to balance your energetic field
and heal you spiritually, emotionally, mentally and even physically.

Georgette Vachon has written in easy to understand format the
techniques brought to her through meditation and other spiritual practices
over the last twenty years. She, and other members of the staff of The
Mystical Crystal Center for Vibrational Therapy, will guide you through
these techniques. 

Through this one-day workshop, you will learn exercises, meditations
and other spiritual practices that will offer you support through these
times of Transition. This workshop lasts from 9 am to 4:30 pm. Course
notes will be distributed on the day of the workshop.

Please email me privately if you would like further information,

All best wishes

Geoffrey


Date: Sun, 4 Aug 
From: Geoffrey Keyte 
Subject: Introduction and Greetings

Hi, Everyone

I have just subscribed to this list and I would like to say a few words
about myself.

For the past 35 years I have been a hands-on healer and for the past 15
years I have been presenting courses,workshops and seminars in crystal
healing.

I have writtern four books:-

The Healing Crystal (now out of print)
The Mystical Crystal
Crystal Healing Configurations
Atlantis

My WWW pages include a lot of information on crystal healing, Atlantis, the
Pyramids, Edgar Cayce etc. My web address is:-

http://www.nitehawk.com/Mystical Crystal/

I am the administrator of the Atlantis Mailing List.

And I shall be taking over the running of the Crystal Healing Mailing List
in a few days time.

I am also preparing an International Crystal Healing Directory. If any
members of this list practise crystal healing and would like to be included
in this upcoming Directory please email me - all entries are free.

I try to provide as much freely available information as possible - to as
many people on the Internet as possible. 

In the next week, my partner - Georgette - and I will be moving to our new
center which we shall be calling 'The Mystical Center for Vibrational
Therapy. We shall be presenting various courses on different types of
energy - including the kundalini experience.  

My partner - Georgette - has recently prepared a syllabus for a series of
energy-based workshops - please see separate email.

I am never quite sure how much I should write. As an author I tend to say
nineteen words where one would have done equally as well!(grin).

I look forward to exchanging postings and emails with members of this list.
 

All kind regards

Geoffrey


Date: Sun, 4 Aug 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Wondering!

There are more chakras, major and minor, but it isn't important until they
are active. Gloria


Date: Sun, 4 Aug 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Duality-good and evil

Hi: Jule

That's so complicated Jule.  I'll just keep it simple and say. " Love."

As Always,
Von
 -------------------------------------

You said:
 >I am reading a book called The Sirius Connection, by Murray Hope.  She has
a
 very interesting idea that I thought I'd share, because I've never thought
of
 the above subject quite in this way before.
 
 1)  The reason we experience time on earth differently to the supposed
UFO"s,
 and the rest of the universe, is because earth is caught in a time warp.
 
 2)  Evil is a misplaced or misdirected energy, that is out of it's correct
 time sequence.
 So earth in a way has become a kind of sinkhole for negative energies, which
 we must transmute finally here in this dimension.
 
 3)Evil is chaos, but according to chaos theory, it too must eventually
become
 self-organising. So for all it's rebellion, the stray negative energy fields
 here, and their accompanying intelligences, eventually find their way back
to
 the matrix.
 
 4)Psychic healing is based upon moving out of the present time and
depositing
 the misplaced energy that is causing illness into the time zone appropriate
 to it's origin.
-------


Date: Sun, 04 Aug 
From: Niles Rodrick 
Subject: 'Neat way to crucify Kundalini'

Gee,...gosh,...willikus, 

      We don't want newcomers to get the wrong idea as to what the list is 
REALLY all about,....so I was thinkin that maybe we should ask Rich to change 
the name of the list to 'THE CHRISTENIZATION OF KUNDALINI'.

     This way there wouldnt be any confusion as to the list's purpose...


Date: Mon, 05 Aug
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: Wondering!

Could you elaborate on this? I read a book on chakras, major and minor, and 
it was about the author's opinion on the meaning of each chakras. I have 
several minor chakras that are actice, such as the knees, sole of the feet, 
wrists. Why? Last night was particularly powerful in term of energies flowing 
through my body. Thought my head would split open. 

Thank you and love to all.


>There are more chakras, major and minor, but it isn't important until they
>are active. Gloria
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


 
Date: Mon, 05 Aug
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: 'Neat way to crucify Kundalini'

What do you mean? Did I miss something?


>Gee,...gosh,...willikus, 
>
>      We don't want newcomers to get the wrong idea as to what the list is 
>REALLY all about,....so I was thinkin that maybe we should ask Rich to
> change 
>the name of the list to 'THE CHRISTENIZATION OF KUNDALINI'.
>
>     This way there wouldnt be any confusion as to the list's purpose...
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


 
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: To Mary

The Sirian Connection relates the ancient Egyptian religion and culture to
possible Sirian roots.  If you are interested in that subject she has quite a
lot of information.  It really depends how much you already have read on the
subject, as some of it is covered elsewhere.

I quoted the stuff on time and trapped energy, because I thought it was an
interesting way of putting what others have tried to describe.  Sometimes a
certain description rings bells better than a thousand others .  That's the
trouble when we have to use words. they don't always get through, and have to
be restated many ways.

I liked your idea about needing contrasts.  Light cannot be seen as well if
there are no shadows.

There was a discussion on making judgements.  We need to discriminate
 otherwise we could be in danger. We all have to judge traffic for instance
when driving.
This American Indian Prayer sums it up for me

Oh Great Spirit, let me not judge a man until I have walked two weeks in his
moccassins.

Love Jule


 
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 
From: wrigaATNOSPAMsisna.com (Anne Wright)
Subject: Re: phenomenon

Dear Karol Ann, Denise, Nina&Helen, Michelle, Mary, Royale, Jule, El and
everybody,
I saw Powder too. It's interesting that the awakened character in both
movies had to die because hollywood didn't know how they could go on in
this world. That's what I have found the most difficult to live with. When
I had my awakening, I did things that were quite (bizare sp!). Actually
they were pretty     good ideas, but my sense of time was way compressed.
It certainly changed people's perception of me forever. The tough part is
that I seem to want people to understand that I had no will in the whole
situation, but I know this is not the way to go. It is so hard to face
people who either look at you with pity or morbid curiosity. I HATE being
considered fragile. I was being told what to do. I actually saw it
happening. There is a scene in Phenomenon where all of his friends are
asking him if he can see into the future, etc. They wanted something
concrete that they knew would directly meet their needs. Just like John
Travolta, I saw the big picture--  How I could impact my own little world--
but I have no idea how this will manifest itself on a day to day basis, and
when these events will occur. I know that my awakening has given me the
strength, but sometimes I just feel sad and lonely. I know these are common
feelings, because I have gotten so much support from everyone who has
responded to my postings, and even from postings that are directed towards
some other topic. I also realize that when I did the trial run, I learned a
lot about how people would react, and this is very valuable information. I
need to remain way in the background, and wait until they (meaning people,
ideas, etc.) come to me. We talk about living in the moment and meditating
to reach that goal. I am having great meditations, by my internal script is
still constant. I want more guidance. By the way, my two spirit guides came
to me during this whole ordeal. One is my friend who recently died, and the
other is a woman who used to be my teacher. She also had a vision of
change, but the world was not ready. She crossed the line, and never
returned. I see myself carrying out her wishes. She gives me strength, and
says that the time is right.
I was going to answer all of your posts individually, but I have this
tiling project. Suddenly there is so much to do. Thanks to everyone who
wrote about Phenomenon. It now has a new meaning for me, and maybe it will
change the way people look at other worlds and ideas. Anne


Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: General List Administration


Dear Listmembers,

A few tips:

1.  If you wish to post a response to the list, make sure that the TO:
address is KUNDALINI-LATNOSPAMEXECPC.COM.  With many mailreaders, simply replying
to the post will send what you write only to the original poster.  No one
else will receive it, and it will not be posted to the list.

2.  If you send a post to me, make sure that the subject line will grab my
attention, e.g.  Richard! Read this!!!  This will insure that I respond
quickly and hopefully in the way you anticipate.  Posts intended for the
list but sent to any of the following addresses (kundalini-l-ownerATNOSPAMexecpc.
com; kundalini-l-requestATNOSPAMexecpc.com; libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com) are not automatically
posted!  If I catch them, I post them.  But sometimes they can
unintentionally fall through the cracks. 

Hope this helps,
Richard  


Date: Mon, 05 Aug
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 V487ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

> Hi: John
> 
> You said:
> >I don't necessarily believe that there is really any such thing as 
> opposite/complementary energies--at least not in the sense that we speak 
> of them.  I feel that we create a perception of divisions or opposites 
> when we start labeling things.  Labels are necessary for dialog, but I 
> think that they are only accurate by analogy.<
> ----------------------------------------
> 
>    Don't you feel that life is duality itself?  It's just like a pendulum
> swinging back a fourth from the negative pole to the positive.  Negative and
> positive,  the same as the standard electricity in your house.   "Like the
> moon to the sun or day and night cause and effect, black and white!"    You
> can not take one with out the other.   You can not live with her and you can
> not live without her. :)

	I would agree that life is, among other things seperateness.  I 
	sometimes create problems for myself when I interpret things 
	literally. I think that dualities teach us about the value of
	wholeness, completeness etc.  There are alot of labels we put
	on things based on our perceptions, which may or may not be
	very accurate.


John


Date: Mon, 05 Aug 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!


The only suffering being done, is done to the ego.  
So once the ego is dropped and the Now exists, you have in effect jumped off
the "Karma Wheel".
The moment you start witnessing the "Now", those events lose their karma.
And when you are continuously focusing on the "NOW"  All Karma is gone. 
Nothing else exists.

Peace

John Halonen

-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------

From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

>  I don't see anyway out of duality in this life.  In the spirit,  maybe?

I think spirit likes a little duality, as contrast can add depth and
appreciation.
A white plate on a white background in full sun is invisible.  Add a little
shadow and voila! A work of art.

.  You can not work off you bad karma
>in the spirit.  Only were there is duality can you work it off and only
>through suffering. That is why you are here, to suffer!   We are all fallen
>angels that fell down into this elusive duality called life and now must
>climb back "up" and out the same way than we came down through kundalini
>charkras.  

I think is is possible to just jump off the karma wheel.  Once you realize
it goes no where, you might as well give it a try. Does anyone else agree?  


Mary



-------- REPLY, End of original message --------


Date: Mon, 05 Aug
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Re: Firends of OSHO Home Page.


GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
      

>True the only part of the human that is connected to the past, or projects
to the future is the ego, the soul >spirit knows that the only thing that
exists in now. And, the only movement there is beyond time and space is >now
. If everyone was only focused simply in this moment things would change
because there is no room for >thought, (personal thought) which anchors one
to the solar plexus, and the emotions are out of power to >manipulate when
one is not connected to the thoughts coming out of the lower centers. This
is a very good >discussion to enter into . Gloria

Is this a discipline and after a while you don't need to focus on the now,
you just automatically are focused on now.  I find it very difficult as
distractions are constantly pulling me away, as well as questions people ask
me like, what do you think is going to happen?  I have to keep telling
myself, be aware of now!  and just witness my actions.  

Peace 
John Halonen


Date: Mon, 05 Aug 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Re: Firends of OSHO Home Page.



Karol Ann Barnett  Wrote:


>Hi John:

>yes, that seems to be the case about dropping the ego and becoming 
enlightened.  
>i would differ with you on the meaning of 'now'

>from what i have learned in my experience in the Light and from other
sources, all 'times' are simulataneously >happening now.   the only
difference is that are focusing on this now as opposed to that  now, if you
get my >meaning.

Exactly!  Everything exists now.  
Would it be like, Past and Future are the polarities, but NOW is the Reality
in wich Past, Present, and now exists.

>while i was in the Light, i was aware of myself in multi-dimensions. more,
i seemed to be receiving >information/emotions from all my  lifetimes, past-
present-future-nows.  but i didn't get caught up  in the >emotion like i do
here in my limited self.  rather i was  acknowledging and receiving all the
information of >experience.
>it was a wonder...

Peace

John Halonen


Date: Mon, 5 Aug  
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Wondering!

Snowbird,
Things are getting intense sometimes. The hands and feet are opened rather
quickly once the energies are moving. One of the people in our group has been
in Tai Chi for only a short time and he feel's those centers open as he moves
through the routine. It is a release of energy through the hands and feet and
is a way that the light goes out from the body. There are minor centers
through out the body, for instance there are minor centers above the third
eye. Much like two higher eyes above that one. Gloria


Date: Mon, 5 Aug  
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Wondering!

At 01:10 PM 8/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Snowbird,
>Things are getting intense sometimes. The hands and feet are opened rather
>quickly once the energies are moving. One of the people in our group has been
>in Tai Chi for only a short time and he feel's those centers open as he moves
>through the routine. It is a release of energy through the hands and feet and
>is a way that the light goes out from the body. There are minor centers
>through out the body, for instance there are minor centers above the third
>eye. Much like two higher eyes above that one. Gloria
>
>
I had a dream about having two eyes on my forehead just the other night.
They were not in the center but more above my physical eyes.  Is this what
you meant?
They began as red welts but were becomimg eyes. Mary


Date: Mon, 5 Aug
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: Wondering!

On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, denise clausen wrote:

> I was wondering, I heard that we use to have 12 chakras instead of
7.This sounded > right because I feel that we have been downbred, somehow.
Does anyone have any knowledge > or insights into the possibility that
people once had more than 7 chakras? > > 

Hi Denise:  Yes, I learned that we have 12 chakras.  The 7 portals in the
physical body, one (the earth star) about a foot under ground that anchors
us to the earth and 4 above our heads for the etheric body, the mental
body, the emotional body and the Higher Self.


Date: Mon, 5 Aug 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: phenomenon

That's great, Anne!  It's so good to receive this kind of feedback, that 
we are ACTUALLY helping each out with this very strange experience.  
Karol Ann

On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Anne Wright wrote:

> 
> Dear Karol Ann, Denise, Nina&Helen, Michelle, Mary, Royale, Jule, El and
> everybody,
> I saw Powder too. It's interesting that the awakened character in both
> movies had to die because hollywood didn't know how they could go on in
> this world. That's what I have found the most difficult to live with. When
> I had my awakening, I did things that were quite (bizare sp!). Actually
> they were pretty     good ideas, but my sense of time was way compressed.
> It certainly changed people's perception of me forever. The tough part is
> that I seem to want people to understand that I had no will in the whole
> situation, but I know this is not the way to go. It is so hard to face
> people who either look at you with pity or morbid curiosity. I HATE being
> considered fragile. I was being told what to do. I actually saw it
> happening. There is a scene in Phenomenon where all of his friends are
> asking him if he can see into the future, etc. They wanted something
> concrete that they knew would directly meet their needs. Just like John
> Travolta, I saw the big picture--  How I could impact my own little world--
> but I have no idea how this will manifest itself on a day to day basis, and
> when these events will occur. I know that my awakening has given me the
> strength, but sometimes I just feel sad and lonely. I know these are common
> feelings, because I have gotten so much support from everyone who has
> responded to my postings, and even from postings that are directed towards
> some other topic. I also realize that when I did the trial run, I learned a
> lot about how people would react, and this is very valuable information. I
> need to remain way in the background, and wait until they (meaning people,
> ideas, etc.) come to me. We talk about living in the moment and meditating
> to reach that goal. I am having great meditations, by my internal script is
> still constant. I want more guidance. By the way, my two spirit guides came
> to me during this whole ordeal. One is my friend who recently died, and the
> other is a woman who used to be my teacher. She also had a vision of
> change, but the world was not ready. She crossed the line, and never
> returned. I see myself carrying out her wishes. She gives me strength, and
> says that the time is right.
> I was going to answer all of your posts individually, but I have this
> tiling project. Suddenly there is so much to do. Thanks to everyone who
> wrote about Phenomenon. It now has a new meaning for me, and maybe it will
> change the way people look at other worlds and ideas. Anne
> 
> 
> 


Date: Mon, 5 Aug 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: How Are You?

Hi Richard:  I just saw your post and 'something told me' to check in 
with you, to see how you are doing with the k and with the list in 
general.  Karol Ann


Date: Mon, 5 Aug  
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Wondering!

How many charkras?

The body for convenience is broken down into seven major parts corresponding
to the seven major charkras. To concentrate on these charkras is enough, but
in reality there are 7200 of them.

If your would like to know the names and locations of them then just ask. To
keep it simple that's all for today.  

As always,
Von


Date: Mon, 05 Aug
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Mary Knapp wrote:

> 
> I think is is possible to just jump off the karma wheel.  Once you realize
> it goes no where, you might as well give it a try. Does anyone else agree?  
> 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

You bet,

I believe that karma is "modifiable" by who/what we are right now.  If it 
wasn't, there would be no way out for anybody.

I think that karma is what we do, or what happens as we make our selves
who/what we are, and out situation what it is.

I think that karma is simply cause and effect--can't escape that.

JohnMcK


 
Date: Mon, 05 Aug  
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: location

To all.  Im thinking of moving to Santa Barbara, Ca. and wondering if anyone on
this list lives there.?  Please let me know if so. Royale