Date: Thu, 01 Aug kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 75 

From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: Re UfO's / Jule & Karol Ann

>From what I've read on the subject of abduction, a lot of them could have 
happened on an astral plane, like an obe. But recently six implants were 
sucessfully recovered by a team of doctors and researchers. These implants 
were metallic and their shape suggests they were manufactured. You can see a 
good picture of some of them in one of the last MUFON Journal. 

And they seem to be here to watch the leap in evolution we're supposed to 
make soon and to help us if there's a need, but not necessarily in the way we 
think they should.

I had so many dreams about them and the last one made me realize that we're 
them and they're us, whatever this means.

Love


>Hi: Jule  and  Karol Ann
>
>Jule said:
>1)  We have been genetically engineered from the beginning, why the missing
>link is so elusive.  We seem to be some kind of galactic experiment.
>
>2)  From a combination of reading and what I have channelled.  I am
> guessing 
>that we humans have input from all the races in this galaxy, and when we
> come
>of age, we will be the "galactic man".
>
>3)  John Mack is a Harvard psychiatrist who councils UFO abductees.  His
> book
>is called Abduction, and hespeculates that the UFO's are actually our
> future
>selves visiting us.
>
>4)  It does seem that time is a local earth occurence and as we evolve we
>will time travel. Some of us may be able to do this in our sleep and meet
> our
>future selves.
>
>5) since we have many auric bodies, the etheric, astral, mental ad
> infinitum
>for all we know, could these so called experiments simply be what happens
> to
>us as we develop these bodies.  they need to be linked to one another, and
>since we are a biological species, some kind of seeming sex experiment
> would
>be the means.  But in that case the sexual encounters would be with another
>part of ourselves, not a stranger.
>
>6)  On a few occasions recently, I've found myself seemingly travelling as
>one of the greys and  lifting a body (mine i think) on a ray of light as
>described in the encounters. 
>this was rather a wild experience as you can imagine and totally
>incomprehensible in normal terms.  Since our brain cells are grey, I wonder
>even if they represent a holographic part of our own brains, or perhaps our
>souls.  this is all speculation of course, but if anyone can enlighten me
> on
>this mystery I'd love to hear from you.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>---
>-----------------------
>
>About the abductions, UFO's , and this whole area.  I was going to mention
>abductions is my last post, but thought it better not to.  
>
>If any one does research in to this whole area not only from an academic
>educational view point, but  by such unaccepted mean as out of body travel
> or
>meditation.  Then the conclusions are always exactly the same.   Karol Ann
>and Jule both are extremely interesting to me.  I will not post any thing
>about your experiences as that is up to you.  
>
>Last night I was thinking to post about the missing link being so elusive,
>but here you come with exaclty the same conclusions.   You mentioned some
>time ago about our souls being actually the grays and I said no way.   You
>are getting closer to the answer now
>. 
>
>This mailing list is very enlightening.    Conclusions being made not from
>only the text book mentality, but from actual personal experience and the
>exchange of information being validated. These conversations are exactly
> what
>will bring in the leap of consciousness as Karol Ann mentioned in her post.
>It will happen over the Internet.  When so many minds agree then it will
>happen.  There are so many people in this world now and the reason for it's
>over population is just because this is the most important time in history
>for our earth.  Many spiritual souls or entities and UFO's are  fighting to
>be here at this time.  This is the first time in our history that we have
> all
>the tools and information available to us to awaken this kundalini and
>connect the earth plane with the heaven planes.  Just a few years ago I
>studied the  teaching of Sri Aurobindo and what is called mother.   Sri
>Aurobindo had just one main theme and that was to bring down the heavens to
>the earth planes and unite both as one consciousness.   I thought that his
>teachings were the most stupidest thing that I ever heard of and sold all
> of
>his material.  He always said that his teachings were not ready to be
>accepted by the average person.  Now at this time in history it has already
>started.  Things will go really very fast now in the evolution of the earth
>and it's people.  We can not keep our heads in the sand any longer unless
> we
>want to.
>
>Love,
>Von
>
>
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


Date: Thu, 01 Aug
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: Healing

Those unhealed part of ourselves were buried so we could function "normally" 
in society. We were always told that we should forgive and forget. I think 
the K brings forth those things we though we had dealed with and put them 
right in front of us so we can REALLY deal with them and go forward from 
there to the next step toward consciousness. This is no easy task and it's 
understandable that periods of depression come with it.

But there is light at the end of the tunnel, and it's not a locomotive. (This 
is such an old joke, but it still makes me laugh)

Love to all.



>There has been some talk in recent posts about various emotions
>coming forth to be healed, and that these are being brought forth
>by the kundalini energy.  Each time I've read this, I found myself
>stopping and wondering... just how or what are you all describing
>as kundalini?
>
>Isn't it part of growth toward consciousness that unhealed parts
>of ourselves are presented to be healed?  Doesn't this happen
>regardless of whether there has been an awakening of K?
>s
>Or is there some connection with kundalini which triggers these
>deep unhealed parts to come out?
>
>I ask because I clearly am on a path of healing and awakening.
>I remain uncertain if my experiences are "technically" kundalini
>or if they might not be some sort of energy which is maybe even
>a precursor to kundalini...
>
>Regardless of whether or not this is kundalini I am experiencing,
>I am in the midst of some intense shifts... dipping back into
>some deep depression, but trying this time time to look square
>in the face at some of the rage generated from past abuse which
>I have so often stuffed deep inside and let eat at me.
>I seem to be walking through this easier this time and saying
>"this is a process" rather than seeing it as something that
>will go on and on and never end.
>
>Like a few others, I too tend toward "psychic spongeism" :)
>Especially when the mass of feelings is so close to the
>surface, I am just wide open to take in whatever is around me.
>
>And wow, whether this is from kundalini, or this is part of life,
>even though very difficult at times, it sure is exciting and I
>think I'm glad to be going through these tremendous changes to
>who-knows-where.
>
>ori^
>
>**********************
>*       ori^         *
>* mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com *
>********************** 
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


Date: Thu, 01 Aug
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: Sex and K

You've said it beautifully. Only the child knows when he wants sexual 
activity. It should not be initiated by someone who has power over him or 
her. This kind of sex is damaging and I don't think you can excuse it on your 
raging kundalini. Your first time can be a sweet memory or it can be such an 
awful one. Unwanted sex is damaging for anyone, adult or child. 

Love to all...

>
>Snowbird, 
>
>	I guess in general principle you are right in saying that children 
>should not be involved in sexual act with adults, only because it may be 
>damaging to their psyche. But I think that what we ought to be saying that 
>any activity, sexual or otherwise, that damages a being, in terms of soul 
>evolution, should be avoided. It is difficult to define when a child
> becomes 
>an adult. Sometimes a child himself or herself looks for sex. I guess 
>nature-wise, it is the blossoming at puberty, that turns a child into an 
>adult. Any thoughts?
>
>Peace and love,
>Tej
>
>		
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


Date: Thu, 01 Aug
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

Another synchronicity. Tonight I was in the car, back from the countryside 
and I couldn't help but thinking about that. And the answer I came up with 
was just what's in your reply. I just ache when I see her all upset and 
angry. I wish to see her happy and serene with the process.

Part of my question was: is it true that you can flip the switch to "off"? 
Stop it all?

Thank you and love to all.



>On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com wrote:
>
>> This is my question. How do I encourage her to change path?
>> 
>> This is such a personal process that it's hard to touch the subject
> without 
>> looking like a know-it-all.
>
>My suggestion is to simply be.  Be a living, loving example of what is 
>good and right.  I think most all of can relate to being told what is 
>right and wrong.  We ultimately do what we want anyway.  When we are 
>ready though, and begin searching, we remember words spoken from others, 
>and often, if we are fortunate enough to still have those people in our 
>lives, we seek them out.  I personally believe that this is the best way 
>for you to be.  Just be.
>
>Blessed Be
>
>Debee
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Re UfO's / Jule & Karol Ann

Hi: Viviane Brisson

You asked if I was a women.  No I am a man, I hope.  Every one always asks
the same question.  Any suggestions on how I should write my name so people
would know.   Maybe ,Von the man or something?   Let me know.  You said: I'm
a woman and I guess it shows in my posts.  Yes it does!  


You said:
>From what I've read on the subject of abduction, a lot of them could have 
happened on an astral plane, like an obe. But recently six implants were 
sucessfully recovered by a team of doctors and researchers. These implants 
were metallic and their shape suggests they were manufactured. You can see a 
good picture of some of them in one of the last MUFON Journal. 

And they seem to be here to watch the leap in evolution we're supposed to 
make soon and to help us if there's a need, but not necessarily in the way we

think they should.

I had so many dreams about them and the last one made me realize that we're 
them and they're us, whatever this means.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------
First, what is the MUFON Journal?  I would like to get a copy.  These
implants have been going on for some time now.  I hope I don't have one.  I
don't think they would like me very much.    One lady said that she had an
implant behind one of her eyes.  She went to the eye doctor and had x-rays
taken.  Something did show up but the doctors said that they could not
operate or she would go blind.  She had to leave it in.   Do you think more
women are abducted than men?   

Your observation is really good about when you said   And they seem to be
here to watch the leap in evolution we're supposed to make soon and to help
us if there's a need, but not necessarily in the way we think they should.
     I feel the same way.            You also said: I had so many dreams
about them and the last one made me realize that we're them and they're us,
whatever this means

Don't you think that we came from them?  I do.  Also, I really believe that
they do operate in the astral plane or how else could they travel so fast and
also most people that were abducted also has obe.

There was just a news report on T.V. last night about so many people just
floating out their windows and being abducted right in New York City.     I
would love to hear what Karl Ann and Jule has to say about it.  I bet that
they will agree with you as I do.  

As always,

Von  (the man)  


Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 
From: Cynthia Anderson <>
Subject: Thanks for your suggestions on music!

Was I surprised to again have so much e-mail from all the fascinating 
postings. Really wonderful to know of this network of all of you out 
there.

Karol Ann,
Thanks for your suggestions on posture and yelling "Ha", have done that 
in the past for the throat chakra, but had forgotten about it. Have 
tried a few times today & feel like 5th is opening.

Michelle, 
It was helpful to know of others that have this musical thing. I 
approach most of my life creatively, although haven't really done much 
artistically, other than in writings in the past several years. 
  I, too, have had the sense that there is order and purpose for the 
various sounds of music. For several days I tracked it to determine. It 
does appear that my mood is somewhat affected by the sounds, or my mood 
affects the music...which comes first, chicken or egg? Some weeks, the 
musical sounds are exceedingly lovely, full orchestra, really quite 
inspiring, other weeks they are single, solitary, repetitive notes. I do 
feel that I am not accessing the puzzle pieces and keep being rather 
blank, which is unusual for me. I sometimes wonder if a part of my 
psyche is blocking to protect me from some "truth".
  When I read your e-mail about sculpting an angel, it made me long for 
some of the previous artistic pursuits I enjoyed, like weaving, 
sculpting in clay, working with paints. Perhaps I'll need to find time 
and make more visual attempts to let creative longings out.

Gloria,
  I think you are correct when you mentioned that I am getting stuck in 
thought form. Many times in my life I have had helper spirits to guide & 
direct....lately, it feels like more of a darker force.....like I was 
spoon fed by loving entities from the "light" and now I need to see or 
feel the counter-balance of the "darker" forces, because both are equal. 
It does feel like at times the energy is being sucked. I usually feel 
quite good in the day, but by night feel fatigued, more depressed and at 
times more hopeless. One of the things I really miss, is that for many 
years I have heard the notes that Joseph Campbell talked about, the 
sounds of the spheres....I have heard them for years, in Manhatten, in 
LA, in the rain forest, in Sedona, in the Yucatan, no matter where I 
was. It was a balancer and grounded me to the earth. I have been able to 
hear these notes, because they are drowned out my the music, and I miss 
them. I am also having a much more difficult time focusing or 
meditating... Prior to the music, I felt quite in tune and linked with 
body, but now feel more unsettled and "blank".

Jule,
  Interesting when you focused the spot being on the left ear, halfway 
between it & center of the head on a horizontal line.....I feel mine is 
both right and left, perhaps more dominant sounds on left, but about the 
same area, but a spot about 2 inches up from the ear about the size of a 
50 cent piece. Often, the music seems "outside" of me and my brain...in 
fact, I ask people if they are sure they can't hear it. Sounds like a 
tape or CD playing in the same room. Sometimes I have had stereo-phonic 
sound, with different instruments in different sides or ears....really 
far out and that was quite nice! Hasn't done that for a few weeks. I 
have often tried to listen to the same music or different music, 
especially when doing the repetitive single note stuff.....it makes no 
difference. If the man made music is loud enough, it may drown it out, 
until a pause occurs and I hear my own through that. I can not seem to 
affect the music I hear, either my meditating on it, thinking of another 
song, or playing something else. A few times, I have thought I'd go mad, 
and after 10-20 hours of repetition, on a single note, it may change.

Will be interesting in a couple of weeks, I've got an exciting 
adventure, a almost free trip to Belize for 2 weeks, a writing 
assignment (freelance) and will go spend time in the rain forest and 
interview a woman who runs Panti Medicine Trail....perhaps there is some 
rain forest herb that can be helpful.

Enough already? Thanks for all input, and really found much of what many 
of you others said to be very enlightening.

Love & Light,
Cynthia


Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Women, sex and the big bang

Tej:

Loved your comment on the big bang.  I think if God and the big bang are
related, then God is definetly getting some kick.  But what if the big bang
is also part of the illusion.  where does that leave us?

Graham:

Re Women not liking Playboy etc:

This is because collectively we exploited men during the goddess era, then
they got us back in the patriarchal era by exploiting us.  
Now we are trying to redress the balance by being taken seriously as people,
not sex objects.  Playboy etc, is a step backwards in our estimation.

When you dig into the collective unconscious, you find there is a whole
archetypal theme on woman as prostitute.  MaryMagdalen in the Bible is an
example
Yet she was the one who first saw Jesus after the resurection.  The fact is
women often feel unworthy within themselves because of our past.  That is why
battered wives stay.
We are just as worthy as men and are trying to find that sense again.  
Because sex was the means of making us feel unworthy, this is why we are so
against sexual exploitation. 

As we proceed with evolution, we will be getting in touch with our souls
more.  since the soul is feminine, we all need to learn to value the feminine
as being a force with equal value with the masculine.

Love Jule


Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: To Debee and Cynthia

Debee:  
I agree that just being there and loving is the best medicine in any
situation.  That is why when I pray I merely send love and light.  I don't
attempt to do anything else.
Love is very powerful, even though it doesn't seem like much to just be there
for a person.

this quote helps me:

The rustle of a butterfly's wings can set off a tornado at the other side of
the world.

Cynthia;

Since you mentioned the horses and the stampede, as setting off the music, I
assumed the left side was the culprit.  The reason being that the zodiac is a
map of the brain, and the area I was referring to is the Lyre, which is next
to Pegasus.
I know this sounds very mystical, but it really works, and has helped me
enormously to understand what is going on. If anyone wants me to  explain
this in more detail, I will, another time.
However there is a corresponding side in the Right brain.  For me the singing
stuff tends to come from there.  If it's any comfort, the aboriginees claim
that God created the world by singing!
You mentioned a sense of oppression.  I went through this music stuff pre"K"
and had some very dark times.  Physically I was a mess and I can only compare
it to being in the depths of hell.  At that time I did seem to be actively
fighting some dark forces.  After "K" this manifestation cleared up.  The
focussing I mentioned does work, but it takes a lot of practice.

Love Jule


Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 06:21:
From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: Re UfO's / Jule & Karol Ann

Von, you are right on target on the alien scenario.  DId you see 
CNBC the other night with Bud Hopkins, Stanton Friedman and the 
graphic artist who'd been abducted?  A fascinating show.  

Yes, I think the aliens (and we call them that because they are foreign 
to our understanding, not necessarily because they are from another 
planet) slip through portals into multi-dimensions.  But maybe I'd better 
be clearer, that not all aliens are of the same stripe.  There are good, 
bad and indifferent ones, just like humans.  But the abducting ones are 
highly advanced in technology and way behind in spirit.  They have 
underestimated the human beings' spiritual potential and they are 
desperate for it because they can no longer create without it.  THey have 
gone so far to the negative extreme that their species is dying out.  
That's why they need us.  But anyone who has ever been abducted against 
their will also has the power to stop it.  They just have to take back 
their power and they can.  The abducting aliens forgot that they were 
created by the Divine.  They believe that they created themselves.  But 
now that they are a dying breed, maybe they are having second thoughts 
about that and they want what we have -- spirituality.  They have it too, 
but they have long since forgotten all about their own Divinity.  

The negative ones have controlled humans for so long, they are very worried 
about what the kundalini and evolution means.  

Sorry everyone, didn't mean to go on and on about it, but it's a subject 
that has captured (pardon the pun) my attention in the past few years.

BTW - Stanton Friedman will have a new book out soon.
Bud Hopkins has a new book out on the woman who was abducted from NYC 
apartment house -- with witnesses.
Dr Jacques Vallee's latest book is fiction, but it was the only way he 
could tell his latest research about Majic 12.


Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: UFO's

Well Von:
You asked for it, you got it.  So here goes.

There is a series of books called The Earth Chronicles by Zechariah Sitchin
which goes through all the Sumerian records, of how Adam and Eve were created
and why.  the Old Testament Genesis stuff was taken from this source.  He is
an OT scholar and compares with the Bible at every turn.
If his interpretation of events is to be believed. There is a Twelfth Planet
in the solar system which only appears every 3,600 years.  this planet no
longer supported life and we were genetically engineered by them so they
could live here. I am simplifying.
They were astral beings, and were forced to use apes as the raw material.
 Hence the missing link.  
Actually the records say they came to mine gold and needed to use us as
miners because it was so hard to do.
You have to read between the lines if you read this material, but I suspect
that the greater plan was much more complicated.  They seem to have been a
warlike people who deliberately put themselves into these bodies.  They also
seem to have forgotten all their knowledge, which was considerable otherwise
how could they have genetically engineered us?

So I suspect that mining for gold can be translated as looking to learn love,
which they badly needed if they were to avoid total annihilation. In other
words they may have deliberately made themselves the equivalent of congenital
idiots , by coming into the bodies. 

They are supposed to have been behind the pyramids etc, so in fact they may
have left records behind, which could be read when they were ready to handle
the knowledge again.  That might explain the explosion of knowledge this
century.

There are other groups that came in too, at different times..Atlantis,
Lemuria, the Egyptian civilization, to name a few.  All of these people used
the bodies that had been engineered.  

Seems to me there was some kind of Galactic agreement to do this.  then when
man finally evolved, he would be a representative of all these galactic
groups.

One advantage of the earth plain as opposed to the astral, is that the
slowness, allows us to see the consequences of our actions better.  The
astral plain is much faster, and things can disappear before you can properly
comprehend them.

Sometime after"K" when things were still very jumbled, I had a dream in which
I was about to enter an ape body for what seemed the umptienth time.  I was
thinking how much longer is it going to take to get these creatures to think
properly.  There was a feeling of absolute frustration, yet determination to
continue. I'm sure this is related in that all of us are from one or other of
these groups  that came to earth and entered these engineered bodies.

We have to remember that before Earth was here we were here somewhere, doing
something even if we can't remember what it was.  

So they are our future, but also our past i would say.  If we think of
ourselves as members of the galaxy rather than of earth or just the solar
system, it's easier to comprehend.  

Love Jule


Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: UFO's again

Just a clarification from my previous post on this subject.  Some of the
warlike beings are still out there because they don't want to change.  We the
ones here wished to change and evolve, hence the engineering etc.

This universe operates on freewill, so those who wish to remain warlike have
that option.

If we remember who we are, beings who had everything they the warlike ones
had, and gave it up to learn love and evolve spiritually, then we have
nothing to fear from them.  We are inherently more powerful because of our
tremenduous love.  

Those living in fear have forgotten that point, and so these creatures can
have an influence on them.  If you turn your back on fear, and know only love
they cannot touch you.

Perfect love casts our fear.  This is from both the Bible and A course in
Miracles for those interested.

Love Jule


Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 
From: Pat Welsh 
Subject: Deepak Chopra

Snowbird wrote:

>I've been aware for some time now of an author named Deepak Chopra. He's 
>everywhere around us, the papers, the bookstore, etc...
>
>Has anyone on this list read his books? If so, what's your evaluation of it?

I may be unpopular in this position (I've only caught up to Digest
#60--whereas you're all reading #74!), but I find Chopra full of hot air,
and *wonder* how he came to be such a media-sought-out "expert"...?!

When I read: I read to excerpt (into my diary and/or newsletter).  Chopra's
writings have given me NO "meat" to consider--rather, his airy words remind
me of a book I tried to read, about Reiki: just plain No Substance (note:
I'm not saying that the *subject under discussion has no substance,* only
that the author-in-my-face *doesn't* help me further along on my path).  I
want concrete terms, not if-only "promises"...

--Pat


Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:28:
From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: UFO's

that's my understanding too Jule


Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 
From: Mary Knapp <>
Subject: Re: UFO's

>I was about to enter an ape body for what seemed the umptienth time.  I was
>thinking how much longer is it going to take to get these creatures to think
>properly.  There was a feeling of absolute frustration, yet determination to
>continue. I'm sure this is related in that all of us are from one or other of
>these groups  that came to earth and entered these engineered bodies.
>


Jule,

I feel this way most every day.  Have for years. Pre and post K.  I once
burst into tears at a big picnic/party when the (we all thought phoney)
fortune-teller started by saying that when I leave the planet 'they' will
all rejoyce and congratulate me for a "job well done".  The words really hit
the core of my being and I was embarrassed by my own public tears. I am
getting more comfortable with these kinds of messages.

Mary


 
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 
From: John Halonen <>
Subject: Firends of OSHO Home Page.


I was on the web going through some yoga pages and this and that.
And I happened upon OSHO's page-  http://.earth.path.net/osho/
I started reading his discourses and found them very interesting.

If what he says is true, all of this is simply a game that leads away
from dropping the ego and becoming enlightened.

Witnessing the moment, every individual moment takes us away from the ego.
The ego thrives off the future and relishes the past.
But all that really exists is the moment. 
The future does not exist and the past is gone, it does not exist either.

Has anybody else read these discourses?  what do you think?
It makes sense.

How can you be angry about something that doesn't exist anymore?
That is in the past.
How can you be angry or emotional about the future?  It hasn't happened yet.
It doesn't exist.  
All that exists is now.  Now I am typing. Now my energy flows. 

What do you think now?

John Halonen