Date: Wed, 31 Jul kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 73 
1996 
From: georgevATNOSPAMeor.com (georgev)
Subject: Prejudice

I don't write to get my kicks. But I know people who do. I warn about
following false gurus for I have done that myself and wasted both time
and money.

A good Page to surf is http://www.mcwilliams.com/ 
it is the home page of writer Peter McWillians who is known for books
like, "Life 101", "You can't afford the luxury of a negitive thought,"
and "Life 102 What to Do When Your Guru Sues You."

Some of the Gurus are True and some are not. I don't follow any at the
moment.

I see nothing wrong with sex unless one is having sex in a unlawfull
sense A.E: with children, rape, sexual misconduct, etc. I have been
writing to create some support for people who have sex and are into
playing with fire. One can learn how to be a FireFighter or work with
fire.

I am intrested in promoting Safe sex and conscious sexuality in
imagintive ways. Most of what I write about sex isn't even physical.
These are mental creative states not physical reality states. I work
with a creative mind to develop a kind or Buddhist right action. With
the awakening of the kundalini ones awareness become much more vast so
that there actions are more right or causes less suffering to others.
They have the insight to have the choices of the neutral mind where
many different choices are there to be taken for a given situation.

I will still excuse the prejudice because I have noticed that this can
happen when the information is not all there. I am sorry if I offended
anyone even thought I notice that we have all learned how to become
offened from something. For me I learn to clease myself from the need
to even be offending or be offended because both are created by
illusions that I have learned. When the clensing is done then I notice
sex for what it is and I pass that gate. I also pass the other gates
too.

george

>From: hyperATNOSPAMhmt.com (HyperMedia Technologies)

>>I excuse your prejudice.
>>
>>george
>>
>>>From: Dolce Vita <>
>>>
>>>Hi George,
>>>
>>>Excuse the judgement, and I hope that maybe I misunderstood you.  but
>>>it seems to me that you are getting in this group to advertise your
>>>porno photography,
>
>
>Hi, Lissette.
>
>Don't waste your time with this person. He gets his kicks by trying to
>bring sex into the list whenever the topic dies down.
>
>He does this on a regular basis.
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>Martin


Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 
From: Graham Dumpleton 
Subject: Re: I am awakening again!

georgev wrote:
>
> On the area of sex I don't have anyone that I can have sex with do I
> meditate on it. I created a inner lover or goddest who allows me to do
> what wills so that I can learn insights to sexual/creative energy. I
> have learned to reguide the sexual energy so that it is right in its
> action.
> 
> I have notice that many people seem to think too much about the
> physical body and not about the mental/spiritual body. I have created a
> goddest inside that helps me evaluate my choices in my actions. If I am
> sexually energised I can convert that energy into heartfelt compassion
> and love.
> 
> I love to meditate on sex but much of what I do is mental/spiritual and
> not physical in the sense that most people relate to sex. I have always
> had a different point of view of sex that most people becasue I wanted
> to improve sex in the idea of higher desires. Much of what makes sex a
> problem is in misconduct. When people learn one way they think that it
> is the only way to do it.

Each night when we go to sleep we dream. The stage for our dreams is said
to be the astral planes. Through development of meditation and relaxation
techniques it is described how we can consciously project our awareness into
the astral. In doing this, we are entering the same domain as when we dream
at night. The difference is that rather than experiencing what our
unconscious mind throws up, we can consciously create what we experience
and even direct our awareness to specific areas on the astral and
communicate and interact with spirit.

In communicating with spirits on
the astral we can receive teaching or we can engage their help in working
out issues in our life which need to be addressed. To some extent we even
do this through our dreams although we aren't consciously aware of
initiating the actions. All the same, dreams can be a very positive and
very powerful mechanism for dealing with issues, thus allowing us to
move forward with our spiritual development.

For some, through our dreams
we may even be able to achieve the same end result as consciously doing
astral projection from meditation. This is achieved through lucid dreaming,
where one actually comes to a conscious recognition that one is dreaming
and from there take control of our actions on the astral where we are
acting out our dreams. Even our day dreams can be mini excursions into
the astral.

When we sleep, we may often have erotic dreams which involve sex. I would
say that a lot of people, when they remember such dreams, look on them as
pleasurable. If we see that as pleasurable and do not deny it or judge
it immoral, how can we say that achieving the same experience through
conscious will via meditation and astral projection is bad. In both cases
it is our mind which has created the experience, it isn't a situation
which has been forced on us by some outside agency.

We need here to look not at the fact that the event has occurred, but what
the intent or desires were which resulted in your either consciously or
unconsciously placing your self in that situation. If the event manifested
because of lust, one may indeed need to draw back and look at ourselves
closely and possibly discipline our thoughts. If it came from a true
desire to move forward and experience a higher state of consciousness in
our path toward God, need harm always be the end result.

When discussing the astral, more than just our physical concept of sex
is raised as a possibility. People on the list have described how sex
is an attempt to join the feminine and masculine aspects to create oneness
or a state of balance. On the astral, we don't have the same physcial
body as we have in our current state. Yet, why can't there be a higher
form of sex in the astral which has the same goal as that expressed on
this list, ie. the union between feminine and masculine energies.

To this end, one can find descriptions of astral sex which do not involve
the same physical actions as we are bound by on this level. Instead, it
is usually described as some form of melding between the astral bodies,
where the energies of each is simply allowed to flow into and mix with
the partner. The states achieved can be seen as an extension of the
energetic states achieved in physical sex. The difference is that you do
not have the physical body impeding the flow of the energy.

Sex on the astral, in whatever form, can have still induce physical
effects. This can happen when our awareness is not fully in the astral
but is still linked to some degree with the physical. The physical effects
that one might are experience are an orgasm. Wet dreams for men is well
known, there has however been reported some cases of women experiencing
spontaneous orgasms during sleep as well.

On the astral we may even go as far as developing a relationship with
an entity. What we may call an astral lover. If one is in a relationship
on the physical, one may regard such a relationship on the astral at the
same time as immoral. That we must have only one partner is more an
artifact of our physical existance and doesn't necessarily mean the same
thing on the astral, where the simple act of sharing love is more important
than physical attachments. Some will even go as far as saying that one
could carry on multiple relationships on the astral. Whether you have one
or many, if you are in a physical relationship, you should keep in
mind that telling your partner may not be a good idea, as it may lead to
jealousy and conflict.

If a relationship is formed on the astral, it isn't necessary to even
have sex. The relationship can be more of a very close friendship. As
it nice to hug someone on the physical, we can hug our astral partner
in order to obtain the comfort or intimacy we may need due to not
having a physical partner, or if they are temporarily away. In this
case, being able to have your awareness both in the astral and in the
physical can be a good thing. This is because one can actually feel the
physical sensation of the the astral partner against our physical bodies.
It is a strange feeling, but still, very very comforting if that is what
we need and are unable to obtain the contact on the physical alone.

The question thus becomes, should we directly apply our physical set
of morals in regard to our interaction with the astral? If sex on the
astral is actually a higher form of sex, free of the impediments and
hangups we experience on the physical, should we deny it? The astral
opens up a whole new vista for exploration. If we go about this exploration
with the right intent, it could serve as a very liberating experience,
allowing us to more easily deal with our existance on the physical,
and help us act in a more appropriate manner in our day to day dealings
with others.

Should we say even that what someone else does is bad or is a dead end?
Each of us is travelling a completely different path in life, our paths
rarely crossing. If we aren't travelling the same path, how can we compare
where we are to someone else and thus say they shouldn't be doing what
they are doing? What they are doing could be important to helping them
deal with issues which they have to deal with. In some respects that we
deny something and label it as bad may be an indication that within
ourselves we are not dealing with an issue. By denying it, labelling it
as bad or immoral, we are in some way saying that it is someone elses
responsibility to deal with. Rather than denying something and ignoring
it, we should be looking more closely at ourselves any why the issue
makes us feel that way. Perhaps we may find as a result something within
ourselves which needs to be dealt with.

Astral projection and astral love is dealt with in a number of books.
A few books for those interested, are:

  The Projection of the Astral Body
  Silvan Muldon and Hereward Carrington

  Astral Travel
  Gavin and Yvonne Frost

  Astral Love
  D.J. Conway

As with any other material, there are widely divergent views and techniques
proposed. Thus read as much as you can. More often than not, you will come
up with something which is more a melding of ideas, rather than deriving
from a specific source.

--
Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au)


Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: I am awakening again!

You started out great, but now I very very sleeeeeeeeeeeeeepy again!

Von

-------------------------------------------------

You said again:

In a message dated 96-07-31 21:07:17 EDT, you write:

 Subj:	Re: I am awakening again!
 From:	grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au (Graham Dumpleton)
  
 georgev wrote:
 >
 > On the area of sex I don't have anyone that I can have sex with do I
 > meditate on it. I created a inner lover or goddest who allows me to do
 > what wills so that I can learn insights to sexual/creative energy. I
 > have learned to reguide the sexual energy so that it is right in its
 > action.
 > 
 > I have notice that many people seem to think too much about the
 > physical body and not about the mental/spiritual body. I have created a
 > goddest inside that helps me evaluate my choices in my actions. If I am
 > sexually energised I can convert that energy into heartfelt compassion
 > and love.
 > 
 > I love to meditate on sex but much of what I do is mental/spiritual and
 > not physical in the sense that most people relate to sex. I have always
 > had a different point of view of sex that most people becasue I wanted
 > to improve sex in the idea of higher desires. Much of what makes sex a
 > problem is in misconduct. When people learn one way they think that it
 > is the only way to do it.
 
 Each night when we go to sleep we dream. The stage for our dreams is said
 to be the astral planes. Through development of meditation and relaxation
 techniques it is described how we can consciously project our awareness into
 the astral. In doing this, we are entering the same domain as when we dream
 at night. The difference is that rather than experiencing what our
 unconscious mind throws up, we can consciously create what we experience
 and even direct our awareness to specific areas on the astral and
 communicate and interact with spirit.
 
 In communicating with spirits on
 the astral we can receive teaching or we can engage their help in working
 out issues in our life which need to be addressed. To some extent we even
 do this through our dreams although we aren't consciously aware of
 initiating the actions. All the same, dreams can be a very positive and
 very powerful mechanism for dealing with issues, thus allowing us to
 move forward with our spiritual development.
 
 For some, through our dreams
 we may even be able to achieve the same end result as consciously doing
 astral projection from meditation. This is achieved through lucid dreaming,
 where one actually comes to a conscious recognition that one is dreaming
 and from there take control of our actions on the astral where we are
 acting out our dreams. Even our day dreams can be mini excursions into
 the astral.
 
 When we sleep, we may often have erotic dreams which involve sex. I would
 say that a lot of people, when they remember such dreams, look on them as
 pleasurable. If we see that as pleasurable and do not deny it or judge
 it immoral, how can we say that achieving the same experience through
 conscious will via meditation and astral projection is bad. In both cases
 it is our mind which has created the experience, it isn't a situation
 which has been forced on us by some outside agency.
 
 We need here to look not at the fact that the event has occurred, but what
 the intent or desires were which resulted in your either consciously or
 unconsciously placing your self in that situation. If the event manifested
 because of lust, one may indeed need to draw back and look at ourselves
 closely and possibly discipline our thoughts. If it came from a true
 desire to move forward and experience a higher state of consciousness in
 our path toward God, need harm always be the end result.
 
 When discussing the astral, more than just our physical concept of sex
 is raised as a possibility. People on the list have described how sex
 is an attempt to join the feminine and masculine aspects to create oneness
 or a state of balance. On the astral, we don't have the same physcial
 body as we have in our current state. Yet, why can't there be a higher
 form of sex in the astral which has the same goal as that expressed on
 this list, ie. the union between feminine and masculine energies.
 
 To this end, one can find descriptions of astral sex which do not involve
 the same physical actions as we are bound by on this level. Instead, it
 is usually described as some form of melding between the astral bodies,
 where the energies of each is simply allowed to flow into and mix with
 the partner. The states achieved can be seen as an extension of the
 energetic states achieved in physical sex. The difference is that you do
 not have the physical body impeding the flow of the energy.
 
 Sex on the astral, in whatever form, can have still induce physical
 effects. This can happen when our awareness is not fully in the astral
 but is still linked to some degree with the physical. The physical effects
 that one might are experience are an orgasm. Wet dreams for men is well
 known, there has however been reported some cases of women experiencing
 spontaneous orgasms during sleep as well.
 
 On the astral we may even go as far as developing a relationship with
 an entity. What we may call an astral lover. If one is in a relationship
 on the physical, one may regard such a relationship on the astral at the
 same time as immoral. That we must have only one partner is more an
 artifact of our physical existance and doesn't necessarily mean the same
 thing on the astral, where the simple act of sharing love is more important
 than physical attachments. Some will even go as far as saying that one
 could carry on multiple relationships on the astral. Whether you have one
 or many, if you are in a physical relationship, you should keep in
 mind that telling your partner may not be a good idea, as it may lead to
 jealousy and conflict.
 
 If a relationship is formed on the astral, it isn't necessary to even
 have sex. The relationship can be more of a very close friendship. As
 it nice to hug someone on the physical, we can hug our astral partner
 in order to obtain the comfort or intimacy we may need due to not
 having a physical partner, or if they are temporarily away. In this
 case, being able to have your awareness both in the astral and in the
 physical can be a good thing. This is because one can actually feel the
 physical sensation of the the astral partner against our physical bodies.
 It is a strange feeling, but still, very very comforting if that is what
 we need and are unable to obtain the contact on the physical alone.
 
 The question thus becomes, should we directly apply our physical set
 of morals in regard to our interaction with the astral? If sex on the
 astral is actually a higher form of sex, free of the impediments and
 hangups we experience on the physical, should we deny it? The astral
 opens up a whole new vista for exploration. If we go about this exploration
 with the right intent, it could serve as a very liberating experience,
 allowing us to more easily deal with our existance on the physical,
 and help us act in a more appropriate manner in our day to day dealings
 with others.
 
 Should we say even that what someone else does is bad or is a dead end?
 Each of us is travelling a completely different path in life, our paths
 rarely crossing. If we aren't travelling the same path, how can we compare
 where we are to someone else and thus say they shouldn't be doing what
 they are doing? What they are doing could be important to helping them
 deal with issues which they have to deal with. In some respects that we
 deny something and label it as bad may be an indication that within
 ourselves we are not dealing with an issue. By denying it, labelling it
 as bad or immoral, we are in some way saying that it is someone elses
 responsibility to deal with. Rather than denying something and ignoring
 it, we should be looking more closely at ourselves any why the issue
 makes us feel that way. Perhaps we may find as a result something within
 ourselves which needs to be dealt with.
 
 Astral projection and astral love is dealt with in a number of books.
 A few books for those interested, are:
 
   The Projection of the Astral Body
   Silvan Muldon and Hereward Carrington
 
   Astral Travel
   Gavin and Yvonne Frost
 
   Astral Love
   D.J. Conway
 
 As with any other material, there are widely divergent views and techniques
 proposed. Thus read as much as you can. More often than not, you will come
 up with something which is more a melding of ideas, rather than deriving
 from a specific source.
 
 --
 Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au)
 
 

Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 
From: Graham Dumpleton <>
Subject: Re: Dear Guidance by Vitagenics

Vitagenics (by way of Mary Knapp <>) wrote:
> 
> This might be of interest.  I think one could substitute >anger< for
> depression in much of what is said here.

And that is because the guidance can apply in some respect no matter
what stage of the healing process we are at.

The healing process is often described as being broken up into five
stages. These are denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
Sometimes it is described as seven, in which case there is added rebirth
and creation of a new life.

The fact that we deny something or get angry about something may thus
be a indication to us that there is something there which we are not
dealing with. We may not immediately reach acceptance, but recognition
that there is a problem to be dealt with is a useful step. If you like
the recognition of there being a problem is an application of these
steps to the acceptance of the healing process itself.

--
Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au)


 
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: newly connected (I Hope)

Hi everyone,
Can we discuss a little what is happening when one is having these psychic
bombardments? It is important to observe oneself while in this frequency and
notice what is happening in the body. The correction is to use your inner
quiet space, fasting, prayer and focus to move higher into the heart chakra
and release the energies that hold you to the psychic area. This is a
teaching process and training that has to happen while in the body. So,
instead of becoming discouraged and anxious, reflect, realize you are in the
school house of direct experience and work to change your frequency from the
inside out. This is an important step. What is your responce to this? Gloria


Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

Have  her get my book Good and Evil In Our Time. It is all about detachment
and helps one become the observer within his or her experience. Those who
have read it find it a great empowerment tool. Gloria


Date: Wed, 31 Jul
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: Sex & K

I was talking more in term of child pornography. Anything between adults is 
fine with me. But, from a personal experience, I can tell you children don't 
want sex. 

I'm comfortable with sexuality between partners of same sex or not, but I 
must be stuck in my personal evolution, I just don't get why an adult would 
find children sexually arousing. Any thoughts on this subject in the group?


Love to all.



>SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com wrote:
>> 
>> George, I fail to understand the link between porno and kundalini
>> energy.
>
>There have been a number of messages about how people feel that there
>musical abilities and the compositions they have produced manifest
>because of the Kundalini being awakened within. To make this claim is
>reasonable as through some mechanism, Kundalini may have the effect
>of inspiring us to be more creative. Allowing any additional energy
>to flow into a creative task is actually helpful to our development
>as the opposite to allowing it to flow in this way is to block it,
>thus restricting its flow with possibly subsequent affects on the
>subtle and physical bodies. Creativity can be expressed in many
>ways. It may be expressed through music, through work, or through
>art. It may even be expressed through what can be called erotic art.
>
>The question is though, when does erotic art become pornography? Do
>we lump everything which shows man and women in their nakedness in
>to the category of pornography? Would you say that paintings
>from the renaisance period depicting naked, voluptuous women being
>amorous to similarly attired men, is art or pornography? A number of
>photographers have published collections of works featuring the nakedness
>of the female body when pregnant. Is that art or is it pornography?
>Similarly have their being exhibitions of work featuring men and women
>in naked poses, having sex and even showing them engaging in
>masturbation. The term pornography is used to describe text or images
>which arouse sexual desire. Although some will lump all or some of the
>above into the category of pornography, the intent has been to depict
>the beauty of the human form and help people appreciate the body they
>have, not arouse ones desire. As these works manifest from the creativity
>of the individual, the human form can be said to have manifested from
>the creativity of God. When the human form is used in this way as art,
>as distinct from how it is often used in magazines such as Penthouse or
>Playboy, can we say that it is pornography? Can we deny that as art it is
>a valid expression of the creativity of an individual?
>
>--
>Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATNOSPAMdscpl.com.au)
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


Date: Wed, 31 Jul
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

This is my question. How do I encourage her to change path?

This is such a personal process that it's hard to touch the subject without 
looking like a know-it-all.


>i don't suppose you could encourage your friend to choose another path?
>
>an awakening of K when there is any attachement to any of the realms of 
>physical, emotional, or mental, is very very dangerous to the wellbeing 
>in any of those areas and to sanity at all.
>
>eric j. uberseder
>zarathuATNOSPAMepix.net
>
>On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com wrote:
>
>> My friend, who's experiencing K, uses radix therapy to help her. She was
> told
>> that she could stop all this if she wanted to. Is this true? How can you 
>> ignore something of this magnitude? How can you go back?
>> 
>> Also, she has a great deal of rage coming from her childhood and it
> overlaps 
>> into her present life. She can't stand things like people saying
> something 
>> bad about other people and so forth. She gets emotional when she sees or 
>> hear anything negative. Any suggestion out there on how to help her?
> We're 
>> following different paths, so I don't know much about radix. I know 
>> we're supposed to help each other, but I don't know how I can make her 
>> understand that people can say and do bad things and that it's "normal".
> If 
>> everybody was perfect, we would call this place Heaven.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> Love to all. SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
>> 
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com