Date: Thu, 11 Jul kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 44 [1] From: Iver JusterSubject: Introduction:Chi theory Energy is energy. It is you who label it. Cultures that label it, make it inaccessable, sinful, scarce, it is cultures that in their desire to control others, rate certain energy experiences as good and others, not so good. Energy is in every chakra. It is the same energy in the crown, in the throat, in the heart, in the root, just the energy manifesting in different ways. And yes, the brain is the biggest sex organ of all. It is very possible to have full blown full body orgasm without being touched. The Cherokee firebreath is one example. There are more. An orgasm in the brain has been called "meditation". Stevie: Thanks for your friendly way of being. :-> I am concerned that my answer to your question will take us a bit away from the topic of the kundalini and will answer you offline. Best to all, Patti [2] From: jetATNOSPAMbbs.backdoor.com Subject: re:introduction/chi theory Steve: In 1991 I started practicing tantric yoga from a book by Mantak Chia. I thought it was great how much more energy injaculations gave me. I was about to move from San Francisco to Seattle, so I especially appreciated the extra boost for getting everything packed and moved. Even though the book stressed the dangers of such a practice, emphasizing that each exercise should be followed to the letter, I didn't take it too seriously. Two weeks after moving to Seattle I wish I had. I experienced a sudden kundalini awakening of devastating proportions. One day I just fell to the floor and started crying. I didn't know what I was crying about. I hadn't cried much before. I thought I'd just cry myself out, but that didn't happen. Day after day I'd cry for hours on end. I'd wake up each morning finding my whole body shaking uncontrollably. Tremendous energy surges would propel me through the day. I had no idea what was happening. It was very difficult to hold things together enough to function at my job. I started "seeing" things psychicly, things that weren't very pleasant. A "psychic pain" started that would increase by the day. A friend from San Francisco came up to stay with me, to make sure I'd eat and get to work on time. I'd start panicking if I was alone for too long. Eventually, I couldn't hold it together anymore. I lost my job and my apartment. I moved back to San Francisco and stayed with friends until I became so paranoid that I had to register myself in a mental institute. I was in and out of mental institutes and halfway houses from January to December 1992. I remember the pain being so great that many times my knees would buckle and I'd fall to the ground. I hope I never have to experience anything like 1992 again. They diagnosed me with post-traumatic stress syndrome. And it's true, that a lot of what I was experiencing was the effect of the abusive childhood I suffered. But I now know it was so much more than that. What I was able to see was the parallels my abuse had to my own past lives. The kundalini awakening for me was an overwhelming psychic cleansing. So I can see the good it did. I just wish my life didn't have to be destroyed to do it. I also realize that before my breakdown, I was very slightly connected to my emotional self. That's another reason why the awakening was so difficult. But now whenever I hear someone is doing tantric yoga, I shutter. I'm glad you have an instructor. I'm glad you're feeling good with it. My wish for you is that you be very careful with it. Peace, love and the whole damn thing. James. [3] From: cmwithATNOSPAMcris.com (Michelle Withers) Subject: re:introduction/chi theory [2] Dear all, Michelle here. I am going out on a limb and suggesting that you are all turning many of us off with this discussion. Have you noticed that there is no other chat except for this sexual discussion?? Maybe it would be more appropriate to take this off-line? Michelle [4] From: ori^ Subject: Relationship between kundalini/tantra/sexual energy Hello Michelle and all, I rarely respond to a post so quickly, but I feel strongly about this due to my own experiences. you said: >Michelle here. I am going out on a limb and suggesting that you are all >turning many of us off with this discussion. Have you noticed that there >is no other chat except for this sexual discussion?? I have been following this thread with great interest. I had not previously made the connection between kundalini and tantra. I am finding much food for thought in the current discussions. Since some of my early experiences with the awakening of this energy (be it kundalini or other) included spontaneous orgasms (which troubled me... as if I was "doing it wrong") I am finding that the current posts bring a freedom of expression which is not easily found on most other lists, or most places in my daily life. I would like to say, without meaning to offend anyone, that maybe there was no chat because no one had anything to bring up at the moment. It is quite common for lists to ebb and flow, particularly during the summer. Also different topics will bring responses from different list members, including some who might rarely or never have posted before. I vote to continue the current thread if people have things to add. Remember, you can always use the delete key! ori^ mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com [5] From: vetfindATNOSPAMinteraccess.com (Judy Kavanaugh) Subject: Chi theory Hi everyone, Personally, I find the current discussion of the Chi Theory most refreshing. When I first began to experience the awakenening of kundalini, one of the most powerful manifestations was of increased sexual energy and I found very few people who were willing to discuss this aspect of kundalini. Perhaps many still find a conflict with sexuality and spirituality, ever the product of the culture we live in. But sexuality is a very real part of what we are, as human beings, and to refuse to talk about it is to deny a very important part of all of us. So far, I think the discussion has been tastefully addressed and has opened up whole new avenues where previously these subjects were not publically bantered about. I would like to see these kinds of things brought up as long as they are relevant to kundalini but not to the exclusion of other equally relevant topics. Judy [6] From: HB28277ATNOSPAMsprynet.com Subject: subject >i agree with Michelle Withers that the disscusion of of the energies released by kundalini are of many vari ations. >i would like to read about other things like kind acts and the empowerment thereof. michael [7] From: Karol Ann Barnett Subject: Re: Dreams of Light Listmembers: I recently communicated with Dr. Gillian and she made the following request. She is an expert in dream analysis, should any of you wish to share your dreams with her. > ps Are you familiar with my research on Dreams of Light? I am collecting > dreams in which an unusual, spiritual, or suffusive light plays a part. If > you have any such dreams I would greatly value the opportunity to hear/read > about them. Thank you. > visit our web site at http://www.lifetreks.com/~dreams > > Gillian Holloway, Ph.D. [8] From: hyperATNOSPAMhmt.com (HyperMedia Technologies) Subject: tantric yoga It has been my understanding that the tantric practices include a small section of practices which are sexually oriented. The word 'tantric' is not necessarily always associated with sex. In the tantric sex practices prescribed rituals under the guidence of a qualified instructor are performed. Many of these rituals involve seeing the female body parts as symbols of Kali, which are worshipped in different ways. However, tantric practices involve a much greater field than just sex rituals. Correct me if I'm inaccurate, but any practice which involves visualizations, mantras, pranayama is technically a tantric yoga practice. It's more mental than it is physical. The Kama Sutra deals with the asanas of sexual trantric practices. Those sexual tantric rituals are a double edged sword. There was a quote in Ramakrishna's book which says something to the effect that the practices must be done under the auspices of a qualified guru, lest the aspirant fall into a pit of depravity. For more detailed info on specific practices you might look at: The Yoga of Power; Tantra, Shakti, and the secret way. (and he's not kidding) by Julius Evola Published by: Inner Traditions International One Park Street Rochester Vermont 05767 isbn 0-89281-368-7 [9] From: Iver Juster Subject: re: Important topics of discussion Dear everyone The kundalini is about energy and as such the topic includes everything, from sex, to angels, to religion, to compassion, to healing, to physical symptoms, to shaktipat, to the evolutionary force, and more. Many times I have had judgements about topics that felt strange to me, but I have embraced them all as opportunities to open my mind to the full power and glory of the k. Who among us should be the censor? Why are angels acceptable and not orgasms? I invite everyone to make this list their own, to contribute as they wish, to read what they wish, and to use the trash key as they wish. Start new topics, please! This list has been a beautiful, heart and mind opening opportunity for me to expand my limits and I treasure differences of opinion. I have been blessed to learn more about how k relates to UFOs, dreams, kriyas, healing energy, chakras, angels, and blue pearls. Also about people, their triumphs and their pain, and about how we form a unique, amazing community. Thank you. Please, list, and everyone on it, just keep being what you are. Thanks and love to all, Patti PS The offline correspondence has been terrific! [10] From: cmwithATNOSPAMcris.com (Michelle Withers) Subject: re:introduction/chi theory Dear all, Michelle here. I think I need to defend my position a bit. :) don't you think? The reason I responded so negatively to the subject of sex and spirituality is because it hasn't been the same for me as some of you have described it. I have had a few times (my wedding night was one) when I have been making love with my husband and I have felt our souls slip together and it is the MOST exquisite feeling, which leaves me in a terrible state afterwards - crying - from the withdrawl and separation of our souls - but my experiences have been totally on a spiritual level, and not so physical as those which have been described over the past few days within this group. I guess I wish that we could bring some light into this discussion. Maybe start discussing how these feelings you are experiencing regarding physically feeling the "spirit" move through you has changed you in a positive way, and how you have looked deeper into your souls..... I just wish that it were leading to a more spiritually aware place - but I can't seem to link it in any way to what I am experiencing..... I guess it has to do with energy moving within our bodies. Maybe I have a different way of viewing the energies moving within my body, and interpret it as heavenly. And putting such labels as "orgasmic" just don't seem to fit for me, it just feels wrong. I far prefer "exquisite", or "elation", or "ecstacy". :) Now those seem more fitting..... :) I guess that I am happy that you are all learning to express yourselves, and the experiences you are having, but I just wish it were not of a sexual nature. So sorry... In light and love, Michelle [11] From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Dreams of Light On the subject of dreams, it is important to use this as a tool. I am happy also to help any of you with this. Gloria [12] From: Karol Ann Barnett Subject: re: Important topics of discussion I so hope the list stays open to all issues regarding k-energy. I, too, had some trouble with the sexual references at first, but I want to grow and learn and be more than I have been. That requires me to take a deep breath and stretch out of the former, more limited self. Thanks to all who challenge me to grow. Karol Ann [13] From: Jim Cook Subject: Gods Amoung Us Thousands of years ago, Egyptianss worshipped cats as Gods. Cats have never forgotten this. [14] From: Jim Cook Subject: Re: Remote Healing I want to say thank you to everyone who sent prayers and help when My dear friend was in the hospital. She came home yesterday and she is doing fine. Love, Jim [15] From: Stevie Subject: re:introduction/chi theory On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Michelle Withers wrote: > Michelle here. I am going out on a limb and suggesting that you are all > turning many of us off with this discussion. Have you noticed that there > is no other chat except for this sexual discussion?? As a new member of the mailing list, I was expecting lots of post from people on all subjects, but this isn't happening. This isn't because of our discussion, is it? I mean, several conversations can be going on at once... but if you really feel this is tangential, consider it moved off-line. -steve [16] From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Are K and seizures related? Hello everyone- I am a posting a new message with a long story that I will try and keep short- please read on, I need some help/ advice/ answers... 4 years ago, I passed out and a month later I had a seizure (grand mal). It took myself and my family by complete surprise, I was 19 years old and there is no history of it in my family. I also do not believe that I have ever suffered a head injury. I was diagnosed with Epiliepsy and began taking Dilantin (anti- convulsant medication)- really bad stuff. Anyway, I was seizure free for 3 1/2 years, then in Oct. all went hay-wire. My Dr. had me overmedicated which lead to terrible side affects such as double vision. I had to stop taking the Fall college classes and I was in bad shape. Then in Nov. I had a seizure and had to stop driving (not that I could anyway). Life was getting back to normal and on Easter morning at 5 am I had another seizure 15mins. this time. My question is does Kundalini energy emerging sometimes manifest itself as seizures? I am looking for a way to heal myself/ make them stop. Every morning I wake up shaking and unsteady- no matter how much sleep I have gotten. If anyone could please help I would be very greatful, I do not know where to go from here? I do Reiki on myself every day and see an accupuncturasit from time to time. I have stopped seeing the Neurologist, I do not trust him anymore. Thank you in advance. Sorry- if this has been too long. I have been trying to post for a few days and it keeps getting returned to me, I hope that this one will get through to all of you. In Light and Love with many thanks, Lori [17] From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Gods Amoung Us Barbara Marciniak wrote in, Earth: "The cats are guardians and assistants for you, great companions of comfort." (46) Cats are very spiritual, psychic animals- they know what is up, to say the least, IMHO. I agree with Jim in his post about cats as gods. Would you forget being worshipped in ancient Egypt? Animals do remember. As a matter of fact, my black kitty is trying to get my attention right now. Does she know I am thinking about her? Even if she does make it hard to type when she has come up on my lap. :) I also agree, that cats respond very well to the positive energies of crystals and the love healing energy such as Reiki. Thank you very much for this list, it is good to be here and I am learning a lot of the posts here. Light and Love to All, Lori (and my three beautiful cats) [18] From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: introduction/chi theory HI: Steve You said >As a new member of the mailing list, I was expecting lots of post from people on all subjects, but this isn't happening. This isn't because of our discussion, is it? I mean, several conversations can be going on at once... but if you really feel this is tangential, consider it moved off-line.< Yes, several conversations can be going on at once, but it is not happening because the post is open to only certain types personalities. If you are not one of those personalities then your mail will not be posted even though the subject matter is concerning kundalini. Some one must be very happy with this low caliber of post lately or it would not happen. You won't see me posting in relation to these sex subjects as the Internet is flooded with them already and I was expecting a lot more from this mailing list. Guess I was wrong and will move on to something more meaningful and get away from this mass mind mentality. As always, Von [19] From: David Pfeffer Subject: Personal Effects of Kundalini Hello, My name is David Pfeffer and I am new to the list. I came across Kundalini from a news group posting. I was wondering about what occurs when Kundalini energy begins to "flow" in the body. I purchased a book about Kundalini and the Chakras. I have been trying the exercises that are in the book. They have been very beneficial to me. (I have a problem with my nervous system.) The exercises have calmed me considerably. However, in my spine there has been a tingling sensation and I get a lot of body shivers after an exercise. Does someone have an idea as to why this occurs? Dave dpfefferATNOSPAMfreenet.hamilton.on.ca [20] From: Mary Knapp Subject: foundations and shielding There have been mentions of the cautions one should take if trying to arouse the kundalini energies and repeated references to having a foundation for this experience. In reading JOY's WAY this was brought to mind and somewhat explained. The author states that disbelief is like a shield. Before one begins a transpersonal journey their very disbelief in disencarnates protects them from unpleasant experiences with them. As the journey begins however it is wise to protect or shield one's self with other higher powers and/or a know of one's own power. He also mentions the "shouting 'get out of here' " technique as being very effective. I hope this is helpful to those who had questions about these concepts earlier. It was helpful to me. Mary [21] From: Royale Jills Subject: ircs So you know an irc line that discusses K? Please tell me the location and how to get there. Thanks. Royale [22] From: Jim Cook Subject: Thank You I want to thank you all for your prayers and help when my dear friend was in the hospital. She is home now and doing fine. Love, Jim [23] From: Royale Jills Subject: Re: Personal Effects of Kundalini [19] Welcome to the list. I wondering if you have had previous experiences with K. If not I strongly recommend that you go slowly. Doing exercises like this can bring up all kinds of material some pleasant, some not, some overpowering. Royale [24] From: Royale Jills Subject: re:introduction/chi theory On the sex expressions Michelle, I do know how you feel. Talking is o.k. but i think a better choice of words would help alot. Sex shouldnt be crude or vulgar, but a thing of beauty. Royale At 10:38 PM 7/10/96 -0500, Michelle Withers wrote: >Dear all, > >Michelle here. I think I need to defend my position a bit. :) don't you >think? > >The reason I responded so negatively to the subject of sex and spirituality >is because it hasn't been the same for me as some of you have described it. > >I have had a few times (my wedding night was one) when I have been making >love with my husband and I have felt our souls slip together and it is the >MOST exquisite feeling, which leaves me in a terrible state afterwards - >crying - from the withdrawl and separation of our souls - but my >experiences have been totally on a spiritual level, and not so physical as >those which have been described over the past few days within this group. > >I guess I wish that we could bring some light into this discussion. Maybe >start discussing how these feelings you are experiencing regarding >physically feeling the "spirit" move through you has changed you in a >positive way, and how you have looked deeper into your souls..... I just >wish that it were leading to a more spiritually aware place - but I can't >seem to link it in any way to what I am experiencing..... > >I guess it has to do with energy moving within our bodies. Maybe I have a >different way of viewing the energies moving within my body, and interpret >it as heavenly. And putting such labels as "orgasmic" just don't seem to >fit for me, it just feels wrong. I far prefer "exquisite", or "elation", >or "ecstacy". :) Now those seem more fitting..... :) > >I guess that I am happy that you are all learning to express yourselves, >and the experiences you are having, but I just wish it were not of a sexual >nature. So sorry... > >In light and love, > >Michelle > > > >.- > > [25] From: Mary Knapp Subject: Your nature and the nature of this list It strikes me as almost funny that a listserv of people interested in and experiencing kundalini, the energy that is supposed to bring about evolution in our lifetime, seems to be composed of people who are not willing to put their creative energies into making the list what they want it to be or believe it should be. It can serve our individual purposes if we put our individual energies into it. I do not mean that we should post back and forth things like: I want this topic discussed more I think this topic should not be discussed This tone bothers me. Change it. Et cetera. What I mean is that we our posts should reflect our highest desires for the list and be reflective of our deepest selves, the selves we are discovering with kundalini. What's it for, after all? Keeping separate from our long lost siblings we have finally found on-line? I hope not. I recommend that this list is an opportunity to impact spiritual evolution by consciously bringing our highest selves to it. Watch the list evolve and watch your role in making it evolve. Not by trying to change anything, but by Being. I hope this makes some sense and is received in the spirit in which it was written. Sincerely, Mary