Date: Thu, 20 Jun kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 20 [1]: From: Richard SatinSubject: FWD: would like to hear your stories... I am 33 and have been engaged in psychotheraphy and spiritual direction work for the past three years. A little more than a year ago, during hypnosis, my head began to feel as though it were going to explode. This was followed by uncontrollable and violent shaking. Since that time, I engage in hypnosis weekly or bi-weekly...always the experience includes the body taking over. It always begins with a coiling energy in my back which explodes into noncontrollable body movement. This is often accompanied by strange babbling, chanting, and intense pain in the lower back. My counselor has suggested the experience is kundalini awakening. WE have done a lot of work, and I have done a great deal of reading about kundalini. I am a skeptic. The more I read, the more unsure I am of this whole thing called kundalini and where it's leading. I would love to hear from others who have struggled balancing and making sense of the experience in a Christian context as it relates to psychological and spiritual growth. -- libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/ ............................................................................ Nothing ruins a face so fast as double-dealing. Your face telling one story to the world. Your heart yanking your face to pieces, trying to let the truth be known. -Jessamyn West [2]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Touchy subjects & an Introduction Barney, Sounds like you are getting a grip on things now. Just don't let your thoughts and emotions run away. Gloria [3]: From: Mark Rivera To: Paul McDonald - Bon Air Branch Subject: Re: Shaktipat My friend received Shakti from Muktananda. I have a video of him and Gurumai talking. I received shakti last year from Anandi-Ma. They are both mentioned in the book Daughters of the Goddess by Johnsen. I'm still a novice, but would be happy to share experiences. I'm very interested in learning about your guru. Does she ever hold public programs in NYC? Please write back and tell me about your experience. [4]: From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com (Viviane Brisson) Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! I guess your reply was in reference to my message about the waves I feel in my face. I thought about that too and I tried taking anti-histamines and not taking antihistamines, I tried desensitizing the mucous membranes with a cortico-steroid spray, I tried homeopathic rremedies. There is no difference. I still feel the movement when I'm in a sitting or supine position. I first thought it was caused by my sinuses, but the pattern sometimes follows some energy I feel from the emotion centre up to the neck and then in the face. The weird part is that energy going through my teeth and the feeling something is pressing against my skin on the left side of my jaw. >From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com >Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! > >I have those same things, I use anti-histimes to reduce the swelling in the >jaw, face and tongue. You do realize this is physical, kundalini also makes >the brain swell. Gloria > SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com [5]: From: Melissa Ann Fornof Subject: stuff I have also experienced facial pressures, Snowbird. Maybe not the same way as you, but still in the face. I have had the weird lip thing some people have mentioned--only to me it felt more like a vibration than electricity. I have felt pressure in my left eyeball, as if someone were pushing their thumb into it; although it was mild pain and quite tolerable. I have also felt a strange pressure outside my face that feels/seems to me like another face, invisible but real and of the same shape, pressing against my own. I felt a strange comfort from this, rather than fear which is what I would expect. I'm not sure if this is my "light body" which I have read of or something else--I just know I feel the definite curve of a face and feel/sense that's what it is. I also have felt like someone's invisible hands were gently kneading my eyeballs. It is not painful, but to me is somehow relaxing and comforting. This is one of my most common experiences these days, along with seeing dim color swirls through closed lids. Speaking of which, I think two people have requested more info on the vision I spoke of earlier. First of all, the best I can explain how I saw what I saw is this: It was dark, my eyes were closed--but it looked to me like I was actually seeing things with my eyes--that is, the images were projected in front of my closed eyes like watching a TV; rather than having images in my mind. However, I can almost guarantee you I would have lost the visions should I have opened my eyes. Perhaps it was both the "third eye weirdness" and the type of vision someone mentioned to me. {Again, I apologize for not always remembering who said what--there are so many people on this list!!} There is nothing much more to say about that--except that I had the feeling that more would have come to me if I had been in a position to receive it--more meditative, less afraid, more accepting or surrendering, or something--I don't know exactly what. It was just a feeling/knowing that came after the vision. I am not sure if this is what Richard is talking about, but I have seen a white light out of the corner of my left eye. Always with eyes shut; never while open or during a non-meditative state. But it to me is like a big white worm or small snake. I can feel it moving up and down the left side of my face--by means of heat and pressure--before I see it. Then I usually see a glimpse of it through the corner of my (closed) eyes. Sometimes it comes into full view--I can see the small white snake moving up and down like a real snake would, bringing with it heat, non-painful pressure, and a relaxed, drugged-like happy feeling. I always just assumed it was it a visualization of the Kundalini running through my head. I don't know anything for sure. It sure is a comfort to me, seeing other people describe Kundalini experiences that are similar to mine, although I have not read of them. I thought the lip thing, the gray screens, and this white light from seemingly out of the left eye were strictly my own experience, or just my imagination. Then I read of others with the same things, and my jaw falls open. But, I am glad. Now I can say with conviction, "it's not my imagination!!" To Niles Rodrick, A writer and poet by nature, I loved your poem. It had special meaning for me. It shed some new light on a lot of dreams I've had lately, and since Kundalini began. I have dreamed I was pregnant, had a new baby, or that my own son (now 14 months old) was undergoing a metamorphosis. Although my "Dream Dictionary," which helps decipher dreams, has always seemed to say I was undergoing some major change or spiritual growth in my life, I never really made the connection until I read your poem. Now the dreams really make sense to me. I guess I needed another writer's perspective. Thanks. The poem was beautiful. Now I've got a real weird point to make. I read in a new-age book once, just before Kundalini, that most people have had past lives; and that some people in a past life made an oath of poverty; which is why some people today cannot get out of poverty. Well, I don't subscribe to the past life theory, but I am open to the possibility. At any rate, my family has always been on, under, or near the poverty line. Even after I got married and had a child of my own, this is the case. We recently invested in a too-good-to-be-true-but-this-is-our-best-chance investment, via credit card (we're both in college-they almost FORCE you to get a card in college), and we've since learned that company is under investigation. We got took for $500 we couldn't really afford. Does anyone have any insight on this? What about the "poverty oath" made in a past life I read about? I'd like to hear your comments. By the way, more than one person, I believe, has mentioned needing a "strong foundation" before deliberately trying to awaken Kundalini. What do you mean by this? What do you suggest for those who want to? How do you know which teaching or path to follow, with so many out there, if your intuition isn't a strong enough guide? Please, I need all the input on this I can get, for both me and my husband, who has never experienced Kundalini, but rather wants to. Thanks to everyone on this list. All the suggestions have been helpful, either by showing me what TO do or what NOT to do, or by letting me know there are options for me to try--I don't have to follow a specific book. However, that may be what some people need. That's why I ask some of the questions I do. Thanks again. Love to all, Melissa [6]: From: Richard Satin Subject: Re: stuff Dear Melissa, As always, I really appreciate your honesty and open heart. Just a few thoughts. Regarding poverty, family and the like, your astrological chart can tell a lot about tendencies, etc. A good astrologer can draw up charts and help you with this. You might find it interesting to look into. Regarding "fate" or commitments from past lives - it may be true that you made an oath in a past life that has carried over into now. Yet, the nature of life is that things are in flux. Especially for those who are on a spiritual path, there is a great deal which can be and is accomplished in life. As a result , "predictions" are not really valid, because we are capable of changing our direction quite rapidly and dramatically. If you are interested in following this line further, write me and we can talk about it privately. As for "being taken for $500", count your losses and move on. If you learn a lesson from it - namely, there's no free lunch - then the money (even if painful to lose) will be well spent. When I was in college I can't tell you how much I spent on various hairbrained schemes. Even though I knew better, I couldn't help myself. It's very possible to make a fortune in today's world. But not by answering a classified ad. If it says, "Make money fast" - then know WHO will be making that money. Probably not you ;<. It's not much comfort maybe, but at least you can rest assured that you aren't the only ones who have been that route, sad to say. Richard -- libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/ ............................................................................ We often visited Ellen’s homeland, where our children had no trouble becoming attached to the Danish scene. When I asked our son how he could communicate with the Danish children with whom he played, he said, "We can’t talk together, but we can laugh together." -Victor Weisskopf [7]: From: Jai1008ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: K in a Christian context To whoever asked fro kundalini info from A Christain perspective--here are some relevant scripture, bible quotes--go figure: "And I will turn my hand upon thee and purge away thy doss, and take awat all my tin: And I will restore thy judges as at first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called the city of righteousness, the faithful city." Isaiah 1:25 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mighteire tha I , whose shoes i am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy gohst and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat up into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." Matt 3:11 oops my neighbor droppeed in, so I have to stop for now--here asre some biblical themes you might look up and read on--baptism of fire, resurrection (yes you get resurrected too, that is the point of Jesus, and you don't have to die first, that is also the point), all things being made new, annointing, arising,etc.. good luck, why don't you paray about it? I would suggest [8]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Snowbird, Gloria again, I have had that exact same thing for about 8 or nine years, it feels like it is in the bones of your face and in your teeth, plus pressure on the side of your head, right? I finally went to the doctor for that one, it was allergies, I had become sensitive to everything growing, dirt, dust, mites, etc. The anti-histimines are what relieve it and then working on your immune system. Just check it out with an allergist to be certain. [9]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: stuff Melissa, The vow of poverty is an interesting concept, however, having had that in one life as a yogi or religious, doesn't mean that the soul wouldn't come back in a different capacity for growth in the next. It may be old tapes playing that need to be brought into a neutral zone so that the forces come together to change the pattern. This is generally what I've seen. I worked with 13 teen age foster children in my twenties, those kids who came mostly from poor homes are quite interesting now as they pull themselves up from that negative energy thought pattern and are finding out who they are. The girl we adopted struggles with the past, but has made wonderful progress. You know it is the old thing, think and create. You have to be very aware of what you think because it puts the energy to work through your projection. I'll let someone else guide you with the rest of your questions. Gloria Joy Greco GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com you can write to me direct if you want to discuss this further. [10]: From: Royale Jills Subject: welcome hi. glad to see a newcomer so am i. but ive had these experiences off and on over many years. not the shaking but ive seen many people get that and also the jerking around. Theres no explaining it as far as i can see. it just happens with kundalini, but its safe so far as i know. [11]: From: Royale Jills Subject: new hello! as a newcomer im reading the form. My name;Royale Jills, age well we wont go into that.Kunda first appeared to me at age 22. I didnt know wht it was. But it was strange. Then at age 35 it came again in a big way. they decided i was crazy and had me committed. bad scene. i was out soon however. Then i had reoccurance every yr. for 2 more years, and then it tapered off. i had the usual symptoms. (read Gopi Krishna). then i deliberately tried to avoid it as i had had unpleasantness from it. But again,yrs later, after feeling fully recoupted i took shaktiput to try and reawaken it with support. it didnt work. so here i am writing to you all. i think i have changed mostly my attitudes. they are more all emcompasing than before and i am more aware of the whole picture than just my little ego. i still have alot to learn about the experience and what it means. I didnt get as much support as i had hoped from the guru thing as she isnt living here anymore. Ive really no one much to talk to about it because no one understands it. So im hoping to find oneness in the list writers. So far i have. thanks for having this list . i have looked for center, etc. but no luck. so glad you are here. yours, Royale [12]: From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: stuff Hello: * As for "being taken for $500", count your losses and move on. If you learn * a lesson from it - namely, there's no free lunch - then the money (even if * painful to lose) will be well spent. When I was in college I can't tell you * how much I spent on various hairbrained schemes. Even though I knew better, * I couldn't help myself. It's very possible to make a fortune in today's * world. But not by answering a classified ad. If it says, "Make money fast" * then know WHO will be making that money. Probably not you ;<. Yes you can rest assured that your not the only one that has been on this route. I have a saying," you may know something and then you may realize something" . There is a difference. People know intuitively right from wrong, but they don't realize it. Realization is something like waking up and it effects your whole body. Also how do you think a diamond is made? It is made just by friction and pressure and not by tofu. Sometimes I ask myself were are all of the extraordinary special teaches like maybe Jesus or Buddha and why is every one suffering. Then one day I was laughing at the thought that the reason everyone is suffering and there are not many special teachers around is just because that is what we see at our own level and our own level is right here where we belong. If we did not have any problems or suffering then we would not be in this world at this time. Every thing is perfect. We are where we belong to learn what we have to learn at this special place in time. It has been said that we pick out our own parents and life conditions before we are born in order to grow. We can only make changes in this physical body. You can not change Karma or your conditions with out this physical body. It's much easier to just relax and fall than to fly. You should feel sorry for the very rich people that were born into a rich family. They had everything and could buy anything, but they have no idea of what suffering is and to me that life is wasted. Every time you fall down just remember that a angel is smiling over you. You ask way is the angel smiling when I am down here in the ditch with all of these problems? The angel is smiling because it knows that you will get up and when you get up you will be stronger and stronger. If you never make a mistake or fall down then your life is wasted. Have a nice trip. [13]: From: "Alan K. Crandall" Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center Okay, here's my story: For background: I'm a 30-year-old male Wiccan. I've been doing exercises in psychic energy, astral projection, and the Silva Mind control method. Just a week ago (today), I was taking a nap, when I had a sudden burst of energy. I'd been feeling a little low (I'm having relationship problems) when suddenly I felt incredibly optimistic and energetic and powerful. I felt GREAT! Anything was possible! I got in my car and went out and shopped. Then, just a couple nights ago, while doing a Silva exercise in subjective communication, a similar thing happened: great burst of energy, though not quite as positive ... I started whispering a bunch of gibberish, and sort of laughing, uncontrollably. The next day at work, while sitting at the computer, my left hand started twitching, rapidly. It went on until I basically made it stop. I discovered I have full control over this twitching ... all I have to do is sort of mentally "let go" of my hand (or leg, foot, finger, head, etc), and it will start. To make it stop, all I have to do is decide to stop. Last night, someone in my circle suggested that my Kundalini might be rising. They asked if I felt "a snake moving through me." I haven't I don't know much about Kundalini ... they told me it can be potentially dangerous if not handled correctly. I'm not frightened ... far from it --- I LIKE this! I just want to understand it better and learn to handle it safely. Any thoughts or input for me out there? Please write! [14]: From: Niles Rodrick Subject: Kundalini I am an egg i r r e s i s t i b l y d r a w n to the light that shines in through the crack in the shell Kundalini is the process of metamorphosis from male or female to male and female. Once this state is achieved, usually through meditation, one becomes whole and complete. Thus, one wakes up to their true nature. Because the civilized world has decided that this shouldnt be so , and ostracizes anyone who would be different from their belief system, it has been kept rather well hidden, and transferred mostly thru word of mouth. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion, but rather is a normal part of the evolutionary process,...which sadly has been interfered with by our unwittingly putting up fences, because, we know better than God, what should and shouldnt be. God being that which is Mankind built a cage, locked himself in it, and wonders whats wrong? Fearful of what he may find, he hides from his own shadow, in the sanctity of his ego.