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On 1999/12/31 04:31, Kundalini posted thus to the K-list:

-- Topica Digest --
 
 RE: Tantra Adam and Eve etc
 By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
 
 In Search Of...Yogi Tom
 By tseewATnospamservtech.com
 
 Being what we know, hmm.....
 By jclATnospamswcp.com
 
 Re: Tantra Adam and Eve etc
 By aocleryATnospamyahoo.com
 
 Re: In Search Of...Yogi Tom
 By sverpaATnospamhotmail.com
 
 Re: In Search Of...Yogi Tom
 By icemanATnospaminecco.net
 
 Re: Tantra Adam and Eve etc
 By icemanATnospaminecco.net

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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:40:19 PST
From: "Marion Hanvey" <loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: RE: [K-list] Tantra Adam and Eve etc

Dear Wim,
Maybe I shouldn't be putting my 2 cents worth in here, because it's Tony's
post. Anyway, just some of my thoughts. To quote knowledge from books, or
knowledge learned off other people is not necessarily just showing-off or
posing. (Which I am sure you didn't mean when you wrote your post anyway.)
Sometimes when you read something, or you hear something from some
enlightened person, it rings a bell with you. "Oh yes that feels true."
Somewhere deep inside a light shines,
and you just know it's right.
The reason why we are not realizing our full potential, I think, and I'm
speaking personally here of my own life, is that we are living on what I
call the "outside edge". That is the small part of our existence that is
lived in this world of name and form, the body, the mind, the ego, the
emotions, memories, opinions, judgements day to day life. All that stuff.
Instead of going inside and relaxing into the Being. Nobody is seeking to
impress anybody. What would be the point? Impressing somone is just ego
and ego is only relatively real, it's not the true Being or Existence. I
don't think anyone on this list is still beguiled or confused by ego, they
wouldn't be here
doing these practises if they were.
Loulou

>From: Wim Borsboom <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
>Reply-To: aurasphereATnospamhome.com
>To: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>
>CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>Subject: RE: [K-list] Tantra Adam and Eve etc
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:31:05 -0800
>
>Dear Tony,
>
>You wrote:
> >My understanding of Avatar is that the Christ
> >Consciousness is more manifested in such a being, and
> >this occurs during/after the dispensation of
> >childhood.
>
>I am still struck by Sai saying (as you wrote before) that we are all
>avatars... (or 'gods' as Jesus says). Still wondering how come most of us
>don't live avataric, ('the life divine' according to Aurobindo). Sai Baba
>is
>so right though... (or Jesus or Aurobindo or ....) So, where are most of us
>missing the boat. In my previous post to you, in which I recounted some of
>my early childhood memories, I wanted to convey how as a child I started to
>uncover and recover that sense of avatarhood or Christ consciousness (or
>whatever). 'T is hard to write about that... coinceit is so close to
>honesty
>and frankness.
>So, how do we miss the boat, or fall out of the thing...? It must be in the
>difference between mental understanding, external knowing and original
>innate being, authenticity. Somewhere, very early in life we lose that
>direct relationship with our real being... A kind of physical/mental
>astigmatism. It is not my intention to try to start figuring this out, just
>some quick thoughts on this...
>Of course like so many people I have read a lot over time. What a great
>library of books I have, and look at my reading list... blah...
>blah...blah... :-)
>I notice that you quote Aurobindo, neat, very neat! Have read many of his
>books, stacks actually... But, over time something changed in my way of
>reading. I started to read to... absorb, digest, to BE the
>learned-and-read-stuff. Not sure if I can express that well enough, hope
>you
>get my drift. I did not want to 'learn-and-display' for the sake of
>'learning-and-displaying'. I ended up not being able to quote so easily
>anymore... Had to give it up, have learned to give that up.
>Do not be offended by what follows.
>I concluded at some point that quoting knowledge is quite comparable to
>hypocritical behaviour. I may be wrong, but I think that I came by this
>conclusion honestly, a healthy dose of (often sharp) criticism by others
>and... benevolent self-criticism in the end. Caught myself doing the
>intelligent-quoting-bit a few times too often... I did and could not feel
>authentic that way anymore. They (who?) teach you this 'spouting knowledge'
>at school, college, university. There is a use for it in 'academia' of
>course, I do not dispute that. But I found that a quoting scholar is too
>often comparable to a hypocritical do-gooder. As one learns and discovers
>from other ppl's learnings and discoveries one CAN stay authentic and
>original. A quoting scholar is often very much like a well dressed-up
>person who keeps telling the world where the designer-stuff was bought and
>for how much. You know, "Such a bore!"
>We maybe what we eat, but we are not the brandnames on the packages that we
>get the nutrients from. Etc. Etc.
>Please do not take this personally, I do not mean it that way. I don't
>mean
>it judgementally. I just want to carry on with this train of thought here.
>I
>may be full of beans, but I want to try, having nothing to lose but false
>pride :-)
>A hypocrytical person may be praising God... but mostly to be SEEN praising
>God. Similarly...a scholar may be spouting tit-bits of knowledge, but too
>often to be seen and to be acknowledged as quoting tit-bits intelligibly.
>I am trying to point at the separation between *understanding* (indirect,
>objective,alienated) and *being* (direct, subjective, innate), how that
>separation may have developed... and how by interrupting this seperative
>dynamic we can become direct again, innately avataric... So ham.
>Let me remember an example of how and when I became aware of the
>*understanding / being* split...? O yes, I was 'studying' Castaneda's Don
>Juan books. It struck me at one point that Don Juan wanted Carlos to claim
>knowledge as power... Had to think hard and long about that one.
>
>Aurobindo's recognition of the descent of Krishna in the physical, was a
>real physical energetic dated occurrence, just like my Christ / Me
>Communion
>when at that instant the dated-ness and place-ness of the occurrence
>dissolved.
>At some point we have to stop acquiring knowledge, learning, understanding,
>deliberating, debating, postulating, conceptualizing. I bet you most of us
>know enough to be enlightened ten times over. We should urge ourselves to
>be
>what we know... so that we do not under-stand anymore (the original word is
>actually 'suppose': 'sub-pose') but stand in our own footsteps, being, now.
>
>
> >With regard to Adam and Eve, there were many Adams and
> >Eves of course, it is a name for the whole race. The
> >serpent was Kundalini, and the knowledge was what they
> >achieved by raising it, whether this was done sexually
> >or not is really not important. Adam (humankind)
> >already had a mixture wife Lilith, both at this time
> >androgynous. Eve was just the representation of the
> >separation of humans into female and male bodies
> >that's all, Adam's rib parable. So sex was something
> >they were already familiar with, it was 'knowledge'
> >they required.
>
>
>In fact they claimed that 'knowledge' as power, energy, BEING.
>That is what Kundalini does.
>This then caused a backlash by the old tribal powermonger... as represented
>by a judgemental surrogate god.
>
>I appreciate what you write, allow me to coach a bit though. Too much
>propositioning, deliberations, etc., if I may say so. After I gave it all
>up, I actually remembered... The 'Adam and Eve' episode is not some kind of
>parable, it happened.
>
>Deliberation eventually stops one from being
>Knowing eventually separates one from being
>Conceptualizing eventually separates one from being
>Those kind of activities are actually mental compulsions
>
> >ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
> >THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
> >MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
> >OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
>
>
>Yes, yes, yes.
>
>Love, Wim
>
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 99 11:12:29 PST
From: Tim Seewald <tseewATnospamservtech.com>
Subject: In Search Of...Yogi Tom

Dear Everyone,

The last email address I have is yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk. Does
anyone have a current one?

Warm regards,
Tim

--
If you're looking to find the key to the Universe, I have some bad news and
some good news. The bad news is -- there is no key to the Universe. The good
news is -- it has been left unlocked.

from Swami Beyondananda's Guidelines for Enlightenment


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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:10:29 -0700
From: "Jon-Carl Lewis" <jclATnospamswcp.com>
Subject: Being what we know, hmm.....

Wim,

I really liked the suggestion to "Be what you know"

I'm going to ponder this for quite a while.

Thanks.

JCL


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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:54:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>
Cc: KundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: Tantra Adam and Eve etc

Namaste All, Wim, Loulou,

I'm sure there was an Adam and Eve etc but it also
stands for the race, 'Sons of God', as opposed to the
other humans and mixtures. The quote seemed appropos
to the Christ/Krishna Consciousness. I don't regard
Krishna as a person anymore than Christ is. It is said
that Eve was Mary and that Adam was Jesus. However we
are now on the verge of a whole new human race it
seems. Perhaps even starting as early as March 2000,
by which time there are supposed to have been some
events or the start of.

Like many of us, I have read myself to the river there
is nothing more in books but quotes for discussions.
Interesting for newslists etc, some basis for saying
something. It is an interesting concept that as a
descent, along with millions of others, Adam had
already fallen with the entry of desire, Lilith etc
long before the advent of Eve. So at what point did
Adam become singularyly masculine as Eve was
singularly female or did he stay androgynous?

Love Tony.

=====
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ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:22:21 CET
From: "Sverker Nykvist" <sverpaATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] In Search Of...Yogi Tom

Thanks Tim,
This quote really stirred something deep inside me. Yes, there is no key.
But still, we have to search for this key that does not exist, knowing that
it doesn't exist.

Reminds me of a similar quote, this was Babaji, and it was something like:
"You have to find the walls of the room that is your prison. But when you
get there you will find that the walls never existed. That the prison never
really existed, that it was created by your own mind."

Love, /Sverker

>--
>If you're looking to find the key to the Universe, I have some bad news and
>some good news. The bad news is -- there is no key to the Universe. The
>good
>news is -- it has been left unlocked.
>
>from Swami Beyondananda's Guidelines for Enlightenment


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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:25:23 +0100
From: "Zarko Kecman" <icemanATnospaminecco.net>
Subject: Re: [K-list] In Search Of...Yogi Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: Sverker Nykvist <sverpaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: tseewATnospamservtech.com <tseewATnospamservtech.com>; kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
<kundaliniATnospamtopica.com>
Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [K-list] In Search Of...Yogi Tom


>Thanks Tim,
>This quote really stirred something deep inside me. Yes, there is no key.
>But still, we have to search for this key that does not exist, knowing that
>it doesn't exist.
>
>Reminds me of a similar quote, this was Babaji, and it was something like:
>"You have to find the walls of the room that is your prison. But when you
>get there you will find that the walls never existed. That the prison never
>really existed, that it was created by your own mind."
>
>Love, /Sverker

Tim, Sverker, can you send me more of that quotes. They are some kind
of koan. I don' know. I just felt that way.

You are right Sverker, from my point of hearth. Same thing for me.
And happy age of aquarius to everyone.


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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:27:11 +0100
From: "Zarko Kecman" <icemanATnospaminecco.net>
Cc: <kundaliniATnospamtopica.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Tantra Adam and Eve etc


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Wim Borsboom <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
Cc: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com <kundaliniATnospamtopica.com>
Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 1:12 AM
Subject: RE: [K-list] Tantra Adam and Eve etc


>ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
>THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
>MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
>OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
>__________________

Tony what means OM NA MA S(H)I VA YA.
And what is deep methapory of name Gopal.
To Wim, same questions, please make respond.
Be well my friends.

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