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Recieved: 1999/12/27 12:36
Subject: Re: [K-list] Tantrika Mahasiddhas?
From: Wim Borsboom


On 1999/12/27 12:36, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:

Dear Tony ,
That is a good post, thank you!
I would like to go deeper into what you are touching on.
Hopefully soon.
Love, Wim

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>
To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com <kundaliniATnospamtopica.com>
Date: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:19 AM
Subject: [K-list] Tantrika Mahasiddhas?

>
>Namaste Brothers and Sisters,
>
>The concept of Avatar is really not a concept that can
>carry over so easily. It is erroneously translated as
>, Messiah, God walks on Earth, Mehdi etc. The word
>means cross-down and Sai says we are all Avatars, the
>difference being Awareness that manifests in
>childhood. However there are other concepts that
>describe the same condition; Jivanmukti, or Tantrika
>Siddha, Mahasiddha, Mahasakti.
>
>Tantra is a very secretive sadhana, and is older than
>the Vedas, older than Adam and Eve, for it is the
>Continuum. Some sadhakas follow a system that involves
>use of the sex organs, Kundalini ojas etc, and this
>is misunderstood by Westerners and Hindu
>Fundamentalists particularly.
>
> Not by all Hindus, the more enlightened Vedantists
>are more understanding of what it is, even if it is
>not their 'bag', so to speak, like myself. One first
>has to understand that morality is relative to a
>society and that there is ultimately no bad or good,
>only that which achieves Moksha. This tantric system
>is called antinomianism, pratilo-man, against the
>norm, paravritti-inversion, Mai-thuna or ritualised
>sexual intercourse.
>
>Tantra is quite secretive but there are some hints,
>starting with Siva/Sakti, quoting the Artharva Veda,
>Magic-Conjuring, Ateeta-Sakti-Hynotism,(mass
>hypnotism), smoking Bhanga, Vijaya, (Cannabis).
>
>Bliss is bliss, sexual bliss is fleeting but it is the
>Sakti. This is why people are attached to it, it is
>the nearest they get to the ecstasy, of Samadhi. It
>is used by some tantric schools to induce sustained
>ecstasy leading to a kind of Savikalpa Samadhi,
>obviously not Nirvikalpa.
>
>They say it is possible for one Tantrika
>Siddha,(Mahasiddha/Avatar), to raise, or lift the
>karma of entire humanity. This has never been achieved
>by any Avatar or Divine Descent yet! So-Ham by the way
>is a tantric mantra. It is my belief that much of the
>misunderstanding, is due to ignorance of the tantra,
>and energies etc.
>
>My guess is that these tales we hear, from time to
>time, from all over, about strange group sex and dope
>etc are due to this misunderstanding. Unless one can
>take one's mind back before religion and even back
>beyond the Tantric parable of Adam and Eve, back
>before right and wrong, one will not understand any of
>this. Not all Tantra is overtly sexual of course.
>What is good in one age may be the reverse in another
>age, it is all relative. The big block to
>understanding spirituality and liberation is
>unnecessary fundamentalism. West or East.
>
>
>Love, Tony.
>
>
>=====
>Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham!
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>
>ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
>THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
>MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
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