To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/12/27 11:57
Subject: [K-list] Nazi Scumbags
From: winter mute

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:42:51 Robert Weil wrote:

Amanda:
>>My personal choice in these puzzles is to try
>>and extend sympathy to all. :)
>>Even those who do not share my views.

Rob:
>How would it be if those ppl then wanted an association with you, based on
>normal human interaction? I ask because I am in a similar situation at
>present.

Hi Rob,

Here's what I would do if I were in your shoes:

If it's everyday human interaction,
without politics, such as a colleague,
I would not mind terribly, unless the
colleague started mixing politics with
personal and work stuff.

If it was a friend, and there was an argument,
I would state my disagreement with the politics.
With someone who is very fanatical,
and deeply associated with Neo-Nazism,
this is usually enough to want them to end the friendship as they usually only dare to
speak to the already converted or potential
convertees.
For someone who knew I disagreed and still
wanted to be buddies, it would be ok, if he or
she still wanted to be buddies, it would be
fine by me. It would be his/her choice to stay
friends, not mine. :)

But of course, you must solve the dilemma
in the way you see fit.

>In '95 I was staying at a bed and breakfast place in Yorkshire. The man of
>the house was virulently anti-German

LOL ! Virulently !

I feel sorry for anyone with such antipathies.
They expend a lot of energy into keeping
their hatred alive and makes other ppl
uncomfortable with their cloak of bitterness.
I do not think I would have stayed for long in
that house either.
One may wonder what kind of defenses this
anger and bitterness hides. I feel there is
usually a deep seated emotional problem at the
heart of such long hold antipathies.

Strange thing is, numerous veterans do not
hold much of a grudge.
I believe they want it to be a closed chapter
and holding onto old bitterness will be like
keeping the old coal of anger still burning in
your palms, in the end it will hurt yourself
and sap the life from yourself.

Yet, many ppl
who were not front line troops do, and
especially civilians and resistance fighters
or former occupied territories are very
hard line, like they're really disappointed
they never had a chance to go out and fight.
It's all very human, but I find it sad
all the same.

>So there we were, watching this, the husband becoming visibly restless. His
>view had been so easy, black versus white. :) >The husband was very quiet afterwards. I felt at that point I
>could lightly mention that my father was German

LOLOL !
You are a brave man, Rob.
Thank you very much for the story. :)

It must have been a very good program and they
were brave to
dare show the facts and speak openly about it.
:)

>No
>wonder they were popular: they promised to rebuild Germany, the country and
>the psyche of the people. They gave them a reason for living.

Yes, I believe the importance of self esteem
and the pride that existed in all European
countries
at that time, with king and country
(in this case Kaiser and country)
reigning is difficult for us today to imagine.
I have only seen something that could approach
it in the reverence some Asian countries
have for their royal family. :)

>I agree with what you say there, very much. "Pity not the fallen", as
>Crowley once said, is my idea of hell. And the reaction to Fascism and
>Nazism can be just as vociferous, viz some of the projected anger in Israel
>towards the Palestinians (OK here I go into deep water, but I'm partly
>Jewish, so I ask permission of my DNA).

LOL ! You are a brave man.
Nevertheless, Israel has done a great job in
upholding the ideals of democracy in
situations where one would not deem it
a strong desire to do so. I'm thinking
about their not so nice neighbours. :)
However, the ppl of Israel have seen what
not having a democracy can lead to, so
this must give them the double resolve to
keep it.

>So difficult, I don't know if I can resolve it in my personal life at the
>moment, I'm asking for grace, coz I can't control what's going on.

Asking for grace in this kind of situation sounds like a good idea to me. :)

Thanks also for the beautiful New Year's
wish, Rob ! :))

Best regards,

Amanda.

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