Recieved: 1999/12/23 18:51
Subject: [K-list] Dan's unprofessional rubbish about Sai Baba etc.
From: Tony O'Clery
On 1999/12/23 18:51, Tony O'Clery posted thus to the K-list:
Namaste All, a couple of points; Jenell, Dan etc
My observations about the state of K of many on this
list, is not judgemental just an observation. It is
obvious that most is just cleansing prana and lower
chakra activity. To me anyway!
Secondly: Dan Winter's rush to judgement on Sai Baba,
very unprepared and displayed incredible ignorance of
Tantra, Ojas etc for someone on a K list. Seems to fit
my observations mentioned above.
.He wrote:-It seems Dan Winter was after all correct
about Sai Baba...</b>
<br><b>I have recently made contact with some former
<br><b>devotees from the UK, Sweden and Australia.</b>
<br><b>They all claim the same independently and there
<br><b>proof coming out that Sai Baba is nothing more
<br><b>simple fraud with no mystical powers and he is
<br><b>sexual relationships with some of his young
With grace it has taken my some time and several
hundred combined posts, ( I was posting by myself
against the group of donkeys) to totally demolish the
credibility of the posters and that site. Their final
'ace in the hole', turned into a dud and there was
really no evidence of sexual impropriety by Baba.
Tantric Healing and Ojas stimulation that's all, most
of these debunkers were totally ignorant of K, Tantra,
Ojas, Chakras, Nadis etc, as it seems the case with
some here on K-list as well.
The only thing they established was that Swami didn't
manifest all the time, a well known fact to those that
read what he has said about this.
It was admitted there were miracles, bilocations and
strange phenomena around and connected with him.
Their main stars Bailey and even Larsson proved
nothing in the sexual allegations except an ignorance
of Tantra. Sure they were shocked to find out that he
didn't materialise all the time but I had quotes for
that. Their level of devotion was based on miracles
that's all. The other thing that was obvious was that
Baba was using Ateeta Sakti or Yogic Mass Hypnotism as
Moses did with the staff into a snake trick with the
I feel sorry that their site has been demolished, and
discredited so but it was based on crude slander,
unfounded allegations, and a singular unprofessional
and unprepared approach. All allegation were answered
by; Yes he doesn't materialise all the time and he
conjures and Yes there was sexual touching to do with
chakras energy and ojas, all else was fabrication by
disgruntled people in one case a student who failed in
I don't want to argue the toss with people on here
like I did with those losing donkeys and filtheaters
on the other site, but this is my answer to Dan
Winter's horseshit and sensationalism that is so
damaging to people more sensitive than he is. If you
don't want to leave it as this then by all means bring
out the guns and do your worst but let it lie at your
feet. In the meantime read up on prophets, tantra etc.
I do not want to descend to the gutter and rhetoric
that I had to use to discredit that site and their
evidence, that's up to you.
ready if you are! Dan, I can hardly take you
seriously anymore or your friends.
Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham!
ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
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