To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/12/20 19:43
Subject: Re: [K-list] The Painful People
From: Jenell

Howard Breckon wrote:
>
> Some teachers say that you should go through pain to experience kundalini.
> Their reasoning is it is only through pain that one can understand fear and
> deal with it.

I think you misunderstand the issues of pain connected to k in some of
what is discussed here. first, 'should' is a word best deleted from our
vocabulary. I and most do not advocate, say we 'should' expereience pain
with k, but that it is a reality that happens for many of us.
>
> I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. I say when one has been through pain & fear you do
> not inflict it on others. you make it easy as possible to share what is
> beyond, looking at your mistakes, making sure they are not repeated on
> others.

That is the ideal goal, yes, but it is most often pain we have
expereienced, and our fears, that CAUSE us to hurt others. Indeed, the
way beyond that is to be able to look at it, deal with it. but that
takes varying time for people to do, some never do.

  Patanjali Y.S.2.16. - The pain which is yet to come can and is to
> be avoided. Gheranda Samhita(a major tantric work)Lesson 5.31. - He should
> avoid anything giving pain to the body.
>
I agree with this 'should'. There is nothing gained by choosing pain.
and nothing wrong with, it is desirable, to avoid, when one can,
something that gives the body pain. But it is not always possible to
avoid pain. I do not at all agree with the idea of asceticism as a path
toward 'enlightenment'. Howver, pain, severe pain, brought by means not
in ones own control, that one could not have avoided, can surely have
growth effects on one's development. One didn't choose that path, but
that doesn't change the positive effects.

> No sacred texts on tantra / yoga advocate pain. Prove me wrong, quote a
> text & verse concerned that does. Otherwise practise more & preach less!
>
I think there's confusion here in speaking of the inevitablity of pain,
and ADVOCATING one deliberate SEEK pain.
 
> If you wish to go through pain you are welcome to do so. Its not my
> problem.
>
I really don't think most here, surely not myself, 'wish' to go through
pain. I didn't choose it consciously, but i've still had it.>Pain
associated with blockages in rising k are theoreticaly 'our own fault',
in a sense, but not one within our easy conscious control. My k
expereince has found blockages I had no idea were even there. And
turning loose of the causes has seldom been a simple and easy matter.

Jenell

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