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Recieved: 1999/12/20 13:50
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Suffering as illusion?
From: Zarko Kecman

-----Original Message-----
From: Wim Borsboom <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
To: Zarko Kecman <icemanATnospaminecco.net>; CKRESSATnospamaol.com <CKRESSATnospamaol.com>;
KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net <KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net>
Date: Monday, December 20, 1999 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Suffering as illusion?

>
>>just to try to understand
>Yes Zarko that is just about all that is needed...
>and a bit of physical feeling touch...
>just try to feel that as well..
>comfort

There is strange something. I must ask you. If you
can answer me, it will be pleasure. Now.
I don't use names when I tolk with someone. Just
sometimes. Because, when I say 'El' or wrote this,
somehow I fill conected to El, or when I say or wrote
'Wim', in this moment Wim, I felt conection between you
and me. This is like touch. I don't know what it is, but
I know that word is just word. But beyond word is something.
Word is some kind of trigger. If you can use it on right way.
I will not spread observation that I have about that, but
I am sure that words are not just empty holes
>
>goodwill
>
>so much love
>Wim
>
>
>we all do
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Zarko Kecman <icemanATnospaminecco.net>
>To: CKRESSATnospamaol.com <CKRESSATnospamaol.com>; KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net
><KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net>
>Date: Monday, December 20, 1999 9:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Suffering as illusion?
>
>
>>>This may not relate to Zarko's situation at all, but I know it's not
>>uncommon
>>>when the psyche is subjected to inescapable horror and brutality for the
>>>emotions to go numb. This can be an essential defense for both mental
>>sanity
>>>and physical survival of such ordeals. But this isn't the same as "no
>>>suffering." The psyche registers and stores the suffering which
eventually
>>>erupts, sometimes years later, in emotional breakdown
>>
>>In last post I was told to you that in my examining of unconsciousness I
>was
>>found that horror deep inside. It's take a lot of time and meditation to
>>clean that. Yes, you are absolutely right. You don't know how you are
>right.
>>People and solders of war need to communicate those experiences.
>>They need a good attention, like you people are. From my point of view,
>>there is no need for psycho therapy. Just, very good attention. For most
>>of them. I have some of my friends from war, which are just gets mad.
>>But only because they keep this inside. It is not hard to handle that
>>horror.
>>Man is capable to experience a lot of bad things. But when you can't
>>let this out, there is trouble. Now, the corridor for these experiences
is
>>you El, or Wim or anyone who can make a good attention, to listen
>>people's story. To take good attention. With compassion and a lot of
>>understanding. Not even understanding, just to try to understand.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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