To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/12/20 11:01
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Suffering as illusion?
From: Wim Borsboom

Zarko and El

You wrote to each other:
>Now, the corridor for these experiences is
>you El, or Wim or anyone who can make a good attention, to listen
>people's story. To take good attention. With compassion and a lot of
>understanding. Not even understanding, just to try to understand.

I love you people so much.

Sorry, that that did not get through to you El.
Have been doing a lot of rereading our posts about that.
So sorry that you felt attacked
I know where that happened
Don't know why,
What do we know?

Oh, language and and reading and understanding
Human touch would have helped...

Please feel comfortable with me and about me
We mean it so well,

>just to try to understand
Yes Zarko that is just about all that is needed...
and a bit of physical feeling touch...
just try to feel that as well..
comfort

goodwill

so much love
Wim

we all do

-----Original Message-----
From: Zarko Kecman <icemanATnospaminecco.net>
To: CKRESSATnospamaol.com <CKRESSATnospamaol.com>; KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net
<KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net>
Date: Monday, December 20, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Suffering as illusion?

>>This may not relate to Zarko's situation at all, but I know it's not
>uncommon
>>when the psyche is subjected to inescapable horror and brutality for the
>>emotions to go numb. This can be an essential defense for both mental
>sanity
>>and physical survival of such ordeals. But this isn't the same as "no
>>suffering." The psyche registers and stores the suffering which eventually
>>erupts, sometimes years later, in emotional breakdown
>
>In last post I was told to you that in my examining of unconsciousness I
was
>found that horror deep inside. It's take a lot of time and meditation to
>clean that. Yes, you are absolutely right. You don't know how you are
right.
>People and solders of war need to communicate those experiences.
>They need a good attention, like you people are. From my point of view,
>there is no need for psycho therapy. Just, very good attention. For most
>of them. I have some of my friends from war, which are just gets mad.
>But only because they keep this inside. It is not hard to handle that
>horror.
>Man is capable to experience a lot of bad things. But when you can't
>let this out, there is trouble. Now, the corridor for these experiences is
>you El, or Wim or anyone who can make a good attention, to listen
>people's story. To take good attention. With compassion and a lot of
>understanding. Not even understanding, just to try to understand.
>
>
>
>

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