To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/12/18 17:15
Subject: Re: [K-list] No suffering, no sweat, no kundalini ?
From: tom skarda

Hi again,
  If you really want to limit your pain visit an accupuncturist or a Netwrok
Chiropractor. Both work with chi/pranic energy and can help to clearup
blocks when they form.
  Good luck,
  Tom

>From: MHortlingATnospamaol.com
>Reply-To: MHortlingATnospamaol.com
>To: KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net
>Subject: [K-list] No suffering, no sweat, no kundalini ?
>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:36:15 EST
>
>Hello, hello
>
>Felt I had to voice my little opinion in the ongoing pain-discussion - pain
>to me is real and as longs as there is something or someone experiencing
>the
>pain, suffering is very real also. Of course the mind and the ego give
>meaning and importance to the pain that usually increases it, but it's
>still
>there. (Ever try punching a saint? )
>
> By using concentration (focusing on something outside of the pain, works
>with psychological pain too) or relaxation (going into the pain and
>infusing
>the painful area with awareness=life energy, works best with "simple" stuff
>such as cramps, bruises, broken limbs etc.) it's possible to influence the
>experience of pain to a certain degree. If the pain is too intense however,
>I
>personally have found strategies don't really work - all one can do is
>surrender ! (And hope karma isn't too heavy...)
>
>All this of course again has to do with energy circulating through the
>chakras, I agree that if awareness is totally absorbed in the top chakra
>and
>the ego (awareness in the lower chakras) is momentarily absent, pain can be
>experienced on an impersonal level and loose some of the unpleasantness.
>(There's also an energy- side to the phenomen of pain itself, too much
>energy, too little energy or blocked energy in the organs of the body can
>create pain and disease).
>
>However the fact that there is pain, be it in the body or in the mind,
>tends
>to draw the attention just there - and it can be a pretty heroic feat to
>disentangle oneself from that. I tried to think/ pray/
>meditate/auto-suggest
>and relax myself out of a slipped spinal disc once (hallucinatingly
>painful...) and I can say with some confidence that it unfortunately didn't
>work at all. If anybody has different experiences, I'd really be
>interested
> in learning of other/more efficient pain management methods.
>
>And Howard wrote :
>
> >PAIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KUNDALINI. It is either physical or in the
>psyche. <
>
>Now this to me seems quite self-contradicting and also doesn't correspond
>at
>all to what many kundalini-awakened people experience.
>
>If one takes the "ultimate reality" view (I for one do) of kundalini, it or
>she IS the body and the psyche ... Or at least the driving and underlying
>energy of mind and body.
>
>Less open to discussion however is the plain fact that the movement of
>kundalini is often seen to create muscular cramps which are acutely
>painful,
>migratory aches all over the body without a pathologically identifiable
>origin, splitting headaches as the brain is expanded and rewired and so
>on.
>
>(little side-note: a woman with an active k., I met once, told me about how
>she had had her brain x-rayed after having experienced extreme
>kundalini-headache and it was shown that the hard matter of the skull had
>actually expanded and changed due to shakti - anybody heard of or
>experienced
>anything similar ?)
>
>
>Also, kundalini brings out old mental patterns from the subconscious,
>brings
>out toxins in the body, speeds up karma from the storehouse of the causal
>body (so it seems at least) - all this can lead to pain, disease and
>discomfort so there's another link between k. and what at first glance can
>seem to be "just" unrelated imbalances of mind and body.
>
>Of course it's stuff that's there anyway, waiting to manifest, so it's just
>as good to get it over and done with.
>
>Anyway, I'd like to know how it's possible to categorically state that
>kundalini doesn't have anything to do with pain ?
>
>Doesn't of course mean that there HAS to be pain with kundalini and I'm
>quite
>aware of the blissful aspects of Cozmic Mama's play -
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael

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