kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 267 

Date: Sat,  7 Dec 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Healing Circle

I am going to try for a Healing circle at 10:00am central time on  
Sundays in Global chat.. I'll see if I can get a better address, I 
have some of my regular's that are going to help.. Is there a place 
called Quarterdeck?  
I'll be at www.prodigy.net I think.. I'll let you know more.. I 
managed to get an Internet IRC or Chat thing.. 
Flute or fiute on Internet.. with first and second letter capitalized.
. 
FIuteATNOSPAMprodigy.net    
http://pages.prodigy.com/flute


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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Migraine

Help!, someone on the list suggested ice placed in the thumb-forefinger 
crotch of the hand opposite the headache for relieving the pain of 
migraine. I told Karen about this and she had already taken ergotamine 
before she remembered to try it. She then got the ice and did the 
above. Well, she says the pain stopped, BUT the nausea that followed 
was terrible. By the time I got to her, the nausea had calmed down and 
she was better. This morning, I got up to find her in her chair with 
the acupressure headband on and ice being pressed into the hand.

I have, through therapeutic touch/pseudo-reiki, been able in the past 
to relieve the pain and sometime eliminate it entirely; there has never 
been nausea with it though. When those who do this use the ice, do they 
also use the medications too? Karen can't use the new one (forget the 
name) as she is also diabetic. More details about this PLEASE.
Thanks,
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan



Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Heart Chakra?

Hi guys,
I got a call this morning from the mother-in-law in Florida who says 
that since leaving my place in California, she has had a painful 
circlular spot directly over her heart - a little to the left of center 
chest. It hurts on the surface and is uncomfortable to lay on - there 
is no internal pain with it, but there is a similar spot on her back 
directly through the body. The spot on the back is far less 
uncomfortable and she can sleep on it, thought not on her chest. When 
she was here, I did a 'reading' for her and we opened up some very 
painful childhood memories - at the time I could feel that they needed 
to be let out and expressed as I felt it producing a closure at her 
throat area (chakra?). She told me then that she had a throat problem 
that she had been to several doctors about and despite numerous tests 
could find nothing medically wrong.

Would appreciate any input from the list on this phenomenon. I feel 
that she has 'expressed' her suppressed anger for her father, but has 
issues with her love for him. That sounds too simplistic, but I haven't 
said it to her yet - awaiting input. Her father, by the way, died over 
many years slowly of emphysema, cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, etc.

Dan



Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Angelique & Border Patrol

It is difficult to imagine the diligence with which the INS is 
defending us from evil from Canada and then watch the evening news and 
see hoardes of unfortunate Mexicans running down the highway into the 
U.S. from Mexico. I think maybe Mr. Bruner would serve his country 
better at the Tijuana crossing. Then perhaps it is better that he is 
not there - I can see him pulling a gun a shooting scurrying immigrants 
like ducks in a carnival midway.

If anyone would like to FAX a letter of support for Angelique in her 
quest to cross the U.S./Canada border, it can be sent to the agent's 
supervisor:

-        U.S. Customs Supervisor Baca: FAX 604 278-3521
        Refer to: Linda Holden vs Agents Bruner/Wood

The telephone number at the Blaine office is:

        604 278-3986

Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 
From: Teresa Baker 
Subject: Unidentified subject!

Hi! Have been following this group for awhile with great interest as many
experiences related are similar to mine. Have meditated and studied various
doctrines but particularly vedanta. Powerful light awakening years ago kept
me on this path even while raising kids alone, working, and dealing with
chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia in recent years. Still the light shines and
ironically the illness has allowed more time for "self" study, reading and
meditation without being pulled back into the world at former break-neck speed. 

Someone posted recently and I can't find it now to quote accurately, about
the experience of another dimension like a reflection going on. I have been
very curious about a similar experience. About three or four times a year
for the past few years another waking reality is going on either within or
beside me. It seems to be dipping inside mine as I into it. Try as I may, I
cannot quite grasp it or enter it, even with meditation, but it seems to be
very active. I don't think it is guides, angels or a discarnate being
attempting to be channelled, just someone else's consciousness and
day-to-day experiences going on. Has anyone else had anything like this?
It's quite disconcerting as it's hard to be fully "here" when "there" is
pulling on me. It lasts for about three or four days solid, never more.

It's nice to feel safe about posting a question like this and knowing that
not all who read it will think me "crazy". 

Peace, 
Teresa

Life, we learn too late, is in the living, 
the tissue of every day and hour.
                       ... Stephen Leacock



Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Angelique & Border Patrol

The INS up there sure seem to know how to alienate the aliens, don't they?
Here's some unasked for advice:

        One doesn't need to go to Sedona to become invisible.  One little 
        lie will grant you your wish, Angelique. 

Lies are sometimes necessary in every country on planet earth and one or two
of them here or there will not impact your karma greatly.  The whole thing
*is* a game after all, don't you think?  Change the rules for yourself
today. Just don't forget to forgive yourself aferwards, that's all.  Then go
back to the old 
rules y o u made up.  IF you want peace and a long vacation in the US more
than what you have now.

I am reminded of a line from Course in Miracles, something like:

                Would you rather be right, or happy?

Perhaps you'll find it's worth thinking about...



Mary 
	



Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 
From: "L.D. McClanahan" 
Subject: INS Bureauracy

Hi,
	I have worked with people from various agencies for years.  Here 
are my thoughts about getting across the border.  First, know that they 
have rules and regulations to follow, and with slight provocation will 
pull one out of the hat.  Since you have interest in SM it becomes 
obvious who has the power and who is being dominated.  The bureaucrat in 
charge gets a sense of power out of seeing you dominated--sound 
familiar.  The more that you try to play cute and try to circumscribe 
their control the more that they will send you on the merry go round 
with another spanking.
	Thus, in this legalistic game, give them everything that they 
want, as soon as possible, including cancelled checks to prove transfer 
of money to pay for residence.  I'd suggest that you get a legal 
sublease in writing from someone that you know.  Next, provide proof of 
business by your phone number, web site, and signed affidavits from your 
customers; they could send some by fax or email.  Last, armed with all 
the required paperwork, take an attorney with you to the border to Mr. 
Bureaucrat. Do not get angry or upset with Mr. Bureaucrat; that just 
justifies to him how crazy and irrational you are--an undesirable.  That 
is the time to send loving energy!
	Once the legalistic game is played out, everyone will smile and 
go on to the next game/lesson in life.  
	Remember!  Life is a series of lessons.  One has been sent your 
way.  Enjoy the USA, and if near Athens, Ohio we have an extra bed where 
you could camp a night or so.  Weekends are better.  It would be great 
fun.  I'd love to see you raise your energy level and disappear. . .for 
a bit.  
-	Let us know how your BIG CROSSING works out. Don't give up. 
Keep smiling.  L.D.



Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
Subject: Angelique & Border Patrol

  Thankyou, everyone who wrote to offer support and encouragement.
I didn't know I had so many friends! I't really nice to know that I am so
valued.

  One of the people who have contacted me is Donna from celestine list.
She is a US immigration consultant, and she has recommended the I not
antagonize the immigration officials with too many phone calls. I imagine
Faxs would be alright, but I am unsure. She does not seem to think a show of
public support will help. 
  She is going to call from her office on Monday and see if she can get
clarification of the situation.
-  Her recommended strategy is for me to have an itinerary of events and
workshops I am to attend, presumably if I already have a busy schedule, I
wouldn't have time to work.
  So, I am putting out a call for workshops and events to attend, preferably
of a spiritually enlightening nature. Plan A was to let Faerie lead my
quest, but we shall have to create structure, after all.
  She has also suggested that they must accept that I am living with lloyd
at this time,  and will be returing to live here again, for a while in
spring and suggested I alter my drivers licence to reflect that fact. I
think I will move my telephone account here as well.
-  I haven't given up yet! Blue K. fire round the border.....
                        Blessings, Angelique.

>It is difficult to imagine the diligence with which the INS is 
>defending us from evil from Canada and then watch the evening news and 
>see hoardes of unfortunate Mexicans running down the highway into the 
>U.S. from Mexico. I think maybe Mr. Bruner would serve his country 
>better at the Tijuana crossing. Then perhaps it is better that he is 
>not there - I can see him pulling a gun a shooting scurrying immigrants 
>like ducks in a carnival midway.
->
>If anyone would like to FAX a letter of support for Angelique in her 
>quest to cross the U.S./Canada border, it can be sent to the agent's 
>supervisor:
>
>        U.S. Customs Supervisor Baca: FAX 604 278-3521
>        Refer to: Linda Holden vs Agents Bruner/Wood
>
>The telephone number at the Blaine office is:
>
>        604 278-3986
>
>Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
>Dan
>
>

		   Mistress Angelique Serpent, 
		Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
            Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
-	*******************
"Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
Feel your arms are opening out. And feel your eyes are lifted to God.
With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
come true.
I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
                         Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.

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Date: Sat,  7 Dec 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Healing Circle on Internet..

Do you know where Global chat is??
It may be www.prodigy.net.
I will be there tomrrow morning at 10:00am Central time
under Healing Circle.. password.. uh... FLUTE
I'll see who can find me.. and if we can connect..
Flute



Date: Sun, 08 Dec 96 
From: terry.mccombsATNOSPAMthe-matrix.com (TERRY MCCOMBS)
Subject: Terry McCombs.

  Well to go along with the idea that was in the set up message here is
a bit about myself and Kundalini.

Name:  Terry Keith McCombs

Age:   41

When did I first start looking into Kundalini: About nine years ago, I
had read about it before, but was able to work with others at that
time, and I found that helped in geting me to do more then read.

What have I noted:  Hmmmmm? maybe later.

Changed?:  I will have to think on that one a bit!

What do I hope to get out of this place?:  A place where I can talk
about this and find people who are open to the ideas and know what the
subject is......and hopefully will not look to harshly on how little I
know!


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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 96 
From: terry.mccombsATNOSPAMthe-matrix.com (TERRY MCCOMBS)
Subject: Native American's way and kundalini

  If the kundalini and related subjects are ATNOSPAMreal' then it seems to me
that it stands to reason that it would be observed in other cultures,
though I would think that they would put their spin on it, but at the
core it would still be the real thing.

-  Such as the Qabalistic Tree of Life, the Loa of the Voudouist, and
Tai Chi to name three.

  But I was thinking about the Indians...no, no! Not the people of
India, but Native Americans.

  Some time back I was able to study with a Native American teacher,
and I have read what I can find on the subject and I think that there
too much enlightenment can be found.

-  Though to be sure it has it's own feel and way of being, and I have
been told that it is not a good idea to go scattering about from one
way to another, but who knows but what path is the right one for you,
now or later?

  But I found the rites of the Native American way that I was
introduced to, to be quite powerful, and at least a part of my personal
way.

  The ones that I found closest to the subject at hand was the
sweat-lodge and the building of a medicine wheel. I will not go into
detail on ether here, but I found the above two very good indeed.

  But then there are big differences as well, the medicine wheel while
a meditation that takes place within, also has a part that is very much
a part of the solid world. And in doing so, it leads the mind to think
not in stright lines but in circles, BUT IN A GOOD WAY! I deals with
the moviment of energe, but never lets you forget the importence of
wholeness, and the connectiveness of all things.

-  I guess all spokes leads to the center of the wheel, but that's just
me. What about you others?

  Do you know any other ATNOSPAMsystems' ways or paths that you think might
have something to say that would relate to things kundalini?

  Should one study different paths, or does that just lead to
confusion?

  And is there anyone else out that works with the Native American way,
or other ways that you think would have something to give to the study
of kundalini?

  I thought that the above might be a place to start some talk.

                                 -----



Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: White Gold

        Actually, I wasn't part of the group at all, but was e-mailed this
document.  I sure would like to try it out, and I will e-mail you the reply
I got from questioning the person who wrote that article.  He gave me some
sources of information on gold trace element containing foods, and a person
in Texas who claims to manufacture the white gold powder.  

Tim
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At 02:21 AM 12/7/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I found your article about white gold very interesting.  Since I am brand new
>at this, it was the first time I had heard of the white gold.  In your
>comments, you said that no one in your group had achieved ascension
>permanently.  Is this to say that there are temporary ascension experiences??
> I experienced a tremendous kundalini opening about two years ago after 18
>sessions of breathwork in a period of a few weeks.  It was an unexpected
>experience since I knew nothing about kundalini at the time.  After that, I
>had many extraordinary experiences that I am still trying to understand and
>that is the reason for my question.  Ascension is my goal this lifetime and
>at times I thought it had happened when I found myself moving in and out of
>other dimensions, witnessing my own death three different times as an
>onlooker, etc.,  
>I would appreciate any input you may have.
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Native American's way and kundalini

TERRY MCCOMBS wrote:
> 
>   If the kundalini and related subjects are ATNOSPAMreal' then it seems to me
> that it stands to reason that it would be observed in other cultures,
> though I would think that they would put their spin on it, but at the
> core it would still be the real thing.
> 
>   Such as the Qabalistic Tree of Life, the Loa of the Voudouist, and
> Tai Chi to name three.
> 
>   But I was thinking about the Indians...no, no! Not the people of
> India, but Native Americans.
> 
>   Some time back I was able to study with a Native American teacher,
> and I have read what I can find on the subject and I think that there
> too much enlightenment can be found.
> 
>   Though to be sure it has it's own feel and way of being, and I have
> been told that it is not a good idea to go scattering about from one
> way to another, but who knows but what path is the right one for you,
> now or later?
> 
>   But I found the rites of the Native American way that I was
> introduced to, to be quite powerful, and at least a part of my personal
> way.
> 
>   The ones that I found closest to the subject at hand was the
> sweat-lodge and the building of a medicine wheel. I will not go into
> detail on ether here, but I found the above two very good indeed.
> 
>   But then there are big differences as well, the medicine wheel while
> a meditation that takes place within, also has a part that is very much
> a part of the solid world. And in doing so, it leads the mind to think
> not in stright lines but in circles, BUT IN A GOOD WAY! I deals with
> the moviment of energe, but never lets you forget the importence of
> wholeness, and the connectiveness of all things.
> 
>   I guess all spokes leads to the center of the wheel, but that's just
> me. What about you others?
> 
>   Do you know any other ATNOSPAMsystems' ways or paths that you think might
> have something to say that would relate to things kundalini?
> 
>   Should one study different paths, or does that just lead to
> confusion?
> 
>   And is there anyone else out that works with the Native American way,
> or other ways that you think would have something to give to the study
> of kundalini?
> 
>   I thought that the above might be a place to start some talk.
> 
>                                  -----
Although I am not Native American, I am a pipe-carrier, I have conducted
sacred stone-peoples' lodges (sweat lodges) and I have a medicine wheel.
I am also an ordained minister, a Buddhist, I practice shamanism, use
crystals, and do alot of things I can't talk about. My path is
many-paths. I seem to need to study/practice from a variety of angles,
so as to get more of the whole picture, I guess. Most spiritual teachers
recommend to stick to ONE thing. I guess its like telling time; if you
have only one watch, you "know" what time it is, but if you have
several, and they differ a little from each, you are never sure!
--Bob

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
Subject: Acid trip energy transfer. Open to access. 15 minutes effect.

well, this is an experiment. I have been trying to learn to flashback at
will, and for the curious, I have a notable ability to 'contact stone'
several people at once to the point of hallucination. So lets see if I can
share that mental state by email/ time travel?  I will time the duration of
the spell to last for 15 minutes, don't read it if you must drive heavy
machinery, etc. yadda yadda..And for good measure, a spoiler. Just for
safety sake, the energetic contact from this message will expire Dec 21, 1996.
  To share my trip, relax and be receptive, scroll down.
Angels gaurd from harm
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All who share my energy.
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Just relax and look at the computer, until the pixels start to dance in
amazing geometric shapes. Feel the candlelight. The energy of your body as a
sexual fire. 
notice the blue flames dancing around the edges of vision, sometimes so
bright I cannot see. Give it a few minutes to see what your brain wants to
tell you in this place.
Just keep looking at the screen.
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- . . .  The purpose of this internal visionquest is to gain fuller understanding
about why the united states immigration finds it so difficult to accept that
I am going on vacation.
Having spent time communing with powers and beings, I have come to the
knowing that the power of the love vibration that I carry is so needed at
that dark place the Blaine crossing, and in the Heart of Mr. Bruner the port
official, that they dare not let me slip past them. 
 Three times I have gone to do the beaurocrat dance with them, each time
more papers and documents that they have said they need. I have given up all
my documents, the whole web knows I am on vacation, 1000 visitors to my site
every day know it. All of you know it, I go visionquesting, in search of
enlightenment. Spiritual work I do only, doesn't make money...As Goddess
wishes, is my quest to only heal one person who is in fear, at the
supposedly longest undefended border in the world? So be it, and I've been
pouring love energy into those places at all my power.
 Pacific Crossing in Blaine, Washington, surrounded and engulfed in pure
blue K. fire lightening. Bring Goddess to that place where she is needed,
the Serpent, to do her mission of love and peace. To the hearts of all the
stressed unsmiling souls who work there, thinking that they are keeping
safety for thier country, e'en tho is plain the energy in that place eats
souls up. The patriarchal repressive force recognized the matriarchal force
I represent and reacted in fear and repression, only language that beast knows. 
  The forces of us immigration have manifested in all glory to prevent one
tiny K. awakened witch from seeking her power. About an even battle, says
the part of me that is Ms. Marvell, superheroine.     Blessings, Angelique.

		   Mistress Angelique Serpent, 
		Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
            Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
	*******************
"Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
Feel your arms are opening out. And feel your eyes are lifted to God.
With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
come true.
I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
                         Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.


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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 
From: JimBATNOSPAMpitnet.net (Jim B)
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

>Someone posted recently and I can't find it now to quote accurately, about
>the experience of another dimension like a reflection going on. I have been
>very curious about a similar experience. About three or four times a year
>for the past few years another waking reality is going on either within or
>beside me. It seems to be dipping inside mine as I into it. Try as I may, I
>cannot quite grasp it or enter it, even with meditation, but it seems to be
>very active. I don't think it is guides, angels or a discarnate being
>attempting to be channelled, just someone else's consciousness and
>day-to-day experiences going on. Has anyone else had anything like this?
>It's quite disconcerting as it's hard to be fully "here" when "there" is
>pulling on me. It lasts for about three or four days solid, never more.
>
>It's nice to feel safe about posting a question like this and knowing that
>not all who read it will think me "crazy".
>
>Peace,
>Teresa

Hi Teresa--

This may be completely unrelated to your question, but researchers have
concluded that the part of the brain (supposedly) "responsible" for our
sleeping dream-life is actually in operation 24 hours/day.  Most people
would be oblivious to this, given the level of internal noise and the
general state of psychological fragmentation.  However, once the noise is
calmed, and the aspects of the personality begin to unify under the aegis
of the "higher self"/ etc., such activity can certainly become noticable.
When this phenomenon reappears, you may want to pay close attention to your
dream-life, and see if there might be some connection.

Best regards & wishes,

Jim


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Date: Sun,  8 Dec 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Native American's way and kundalini

YES.. Native Americans observe rituals related with the kundalini. I 
recently attended a Medicine Wheel where the ritual was obvious as to 
raising the kundalini and cleansing the aura..
flute