kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 228 

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: New to the list

Tim Duna wrote:
> 
> At 08:12 AM 11/8/96 -0800, you wrote:
> >Tim,
> >
> >Sure smudge would work for clearing the area.... my experience though is
> >that "talking boards"  attract only low level spirits....  dark
> >trixters..... as some call them.
> >
> >What have you leaned that says the spirits you communicate throught the
> >board are of a higher light vibration?
> >
> >My giudes have had me work many a time with table tipping but not with a board.
> >
> >I would like to know more......
> >
> >Randy
> 
> Randy,
> 
>         I am actually clairaudient now and no longer have a need to rely
> upon a talking board.  I have learned that divine beings are able to come
> closer to the earth plane than before, that they can indeed be contacted
> through talking boards.  Jane Roberts contacted Seth first through a talking
> board, it is the misuse of the talking board that get's everyone's
> attention.  Usually, they are used by teenagers who are using it as a toy or
> game, which it is *not*.  If you don't ask for the protection, you aren't
> always going to be given it.  There are beings out there who do keep other
> spirit's in check, I call them spirit bouncers.  The circle is a very real
> instant claim of space for privacy upon the astral realm, a guide can and
> will very easily draw one for you.  A dark trickster isn't able to enter a
> claimed space, whether it's a house, or a circle.  It took me a while to
> learn these laws of the astral, before I was quite green and ignorant of
> them.  What I have found is that it is very similar to nature.
> 
>
> 
Tim and Randy,
	Why not develop that relationship and knowing from the higher self and
not be getting your information one way or the other from the lower
planes. This can be done by raising your consciousness to the higher
centers in the body where you aren't reaching into those states of
consciousness. The information then comes directly from the unified
field or from the Holy Spirit as we would say in the west. There is no
name attached to this energy because it is pure spirit. Gloria



Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: vacation

rjills wrote:
> 
> Im leaving the list for a while.  If anyone wants to post me go ahead ,to my
personal > address.

> If I say anything to offend anyone, Im sorry.  Love Royale

Royale,
	I wouldn't worry about that, everyone is just doing and being where
they are, and it is a part of the training to observe the energies flow.
It means nothing but communication. Gloria



Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: hot flashes

Tim Duna wrote:
> 
> At 04:12 PM 11/8/96 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I recently had a Reiki healing done and was told that I had a block between
> >my second and third chakras.  I was also told that my liver was "congested".
> >The healer told me that she worked on opening the blockage in the chakras
> >and succeeded in doing so to an extent.
> 
>         Between the second and third lies the navel.  Although there is also
> the  high sex chakras inbetween.  There are actually three sex chakras.  My
> guess is that it would be the navel.  It is a *very* emotional center, many
> bloackages that relate to other chkaras can be found here.
> 
> >Although I felt nothing at the time of the healing itself, since that time I
> >have noticed that I am getting hot flashes and sweating quite a bit.  I have
> >also felt very dizzy at times and disoriented (more than my usual amount :)
> >).  In addition to this, I had written in once before about a tingling
> >between my shoulder blades.  I was told that this was a "temporary chakra"
> >that was opening.  I hadn't felt any more tingling until after the healing.
> >Now I feel that it is always there, even if I am not consciously aware of it
> >(if that makes sense).
> 
>         Makes perfect sense, you have opened an energy center.  The hot
> flashes and sweating can be explained.  They are most likely caused by a
> releasing of energy through the solar nerve, pingala.  It is the masculine
> polarity, is positive in electrical terms, and is hot.  The dizziness and
> disorientation are side effects of energy being released, I get this too.  A
> pingala release can bring decreased appetite, restlessness, and make it hard
> to concentrate on things.
> 
>         For me, I have been experiencing the opposite, cold flashes and
> chills.  What I have noticed is that when some energy releases, it tends to
> spread throughout the body, as the channel isn't fully clear yet.  When this
> happens, the coldness is dispersed throughout the body, making me colder
> than I was before.  I imagine the same is happening to you but heat instead
> of cold.

HI again,
	The only way to get beyond these centers is to transcend them, you
aren't going to do this by yourself. The way to do it is through letting
go, cleansing, fast, if necessary and humbly asking that the higher
self/Christ force will come and lift you out of it. YOu aren't going to
clear out the lower centers with lower center energy, sorry it doesn't
work. YOu clear out the lower centers once you are stabilitzed and
energized in the high pure frequencies of divine will/ first cause/
unified field life force. So how to get there? You do it by purifying
the thought, emotional, bodies of the lower self, this is through
letting go and recognizing that you can't do anything from your own
power. By turning your attention inward, with humility the state is set
up for going beyond. Once you have accomplished major steps into the
higher stages of awareness you are sent back down to do the house
cleaning of the lower centers. TAke your focus away from it for now, you
can't do this for yourself. And all you will do is create more by
thinking that you can. Sorry if this is strong, but I've just had some
insight visions if you will... and it is not time to be dabbling. Gloria



Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Solar plexus

Tim Duna wrote:
> 
> Jari wrote:
> 
> >The energy seems to stop at my
> >Solar Plexus Chakra or skip it completely. Then when I concentrate on
> >the third Chakra and bring energy consciously to it, I start getting
> >spasms. Works every time. And for the past two weeks, I've had "pain" in
> >the spine right where the third Chakra is, though I only feel it when I
> >consciously think about the region or do energy work.
> 
> Jari,
> 
>         There are different positions for the chakra's spinal openings,
> meaning that they aren't exactly in the spine where they lie in the front.
> The actual solar plexus spinal opening is at about the heart chakra frontal
> opening.  The base chakra's spinal opening is just above the very beginning
> of the crack in the butt, for lack of a better term.  I guess the very
> beginning of the back may be better.  The second chakra, the sex, lies a
> little ways upward on the spine, around the solar plexus region.  Here is
> where your blocks may be.  Try working upon the sex chakra and see how the
> pain is.  Pain in a chakra usually indicates it trying to open up.  Also,
> you should try to make attempts at some point to clear some of the higher
> chakras, like heart or solar plexus onward, so that the energy has a path to
> move if you stir up too much in the lower two chakras.  A good book on this
> stuff is "Kundalini and the Chakras" by Genevieve Lewis Paulson.


Jari,
	I would work at raising into the heart center and getting the energy
completely away from the solar plexus. This is how I have been taught
for 50 years by the Holy Spirit. You focus your attention on the heart
center, and that means building a relationship with divine lifeforce,
however you want to perceive it. The heart is your clearing house that
takes you from the earth plane into higher energies of pure spirit.
Focus at that level learn the heart mantra and keep focused on that
energy. That gives you an opportunity to get out of the self or ego.
Anytime you are in the lower centers you are getting bombarded by
desires, thoughts, etc. Get out of that, only .... if that is where your
intention is going. Is that where you want to be? That is the first
question to answer.. Gloria



Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Re/Re/Re-responding

Philip St. Romain wrote:
> 
> Another follow-up on the exchange with Mistress Angelique, this one about
> kundalini and religion--a hot topic on this list, it seems.
> 
> >rjills wrote:
> >But why drag in extraneous identities?  It only
> >> rankles some and is of no interest to others.
> 
> >Hi
> >
> >Perhpas because it was just those "extraneous others" who released the K
> >in me?  I'll abide by your wish not to talk of it here, but "they" were
> >not 'extraneous'.  It was not a purely 'human' phenomena nor expeience.
> >
> >Have a nice day.
> >
> >jan
> 
> I'm with you, Jan.  Furthermore, who says the deities of religion are
> "merely extraneous."  The God I worship is both transcendent and immanent.
> 
> The idea of awakening and then trying to integrate kundalini outside of a
> context of relationship with Higher Power seems terribly naive and fraught
> with danger.  I cannot over-emphasize the risk of Ego-inflation to those
> who follow such a path.  This has been my experience in working with the
> Spiritual Emergence Network, and in my correspondence with hundreds of
> people.
> 
> I wonder where the list is on this issue.  Is rjills right?  Are you mostly
> rankled and/or disinterested in the relationship between kundalini and
> religious spirituality?  If so, I'm outa-here.
> 
> Peace to all!  Phil

Phil,
	If you look at my posts you will see that I constantly talk about
letting go and connecting up to Divine Will, it isn't always popular
because many see k as the end of all ends. But it isn't, it is connected
to something much higher with purpose and plan. And, this frequency
involves becoming unified with this state of God's Will and Purpose at
this moment in history of humanity. Gloria



Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Hand Chakras?

CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Has anybody heard anything about chakras in the hands?
> 
> I've been doing self Reiki on my chakras with good results, but I know very
> little how this energy links up with the chakras ect.  Am I gonna get
> bleeding hands like Christ or anything?
> 
> Don't run with scissors
> Aaron Williams

Aaron,
The hand chakra's are an energy source whereby you are connected to life
and others. Don't let your mind run away with you, let go, stay focused
on the inner teachings of Christ and it will all be shown to you when it
is necessary. Gloria



Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Re/Re/Re-responding

Dorman, Robert wrote:
> 
> Philip St. Romain wrote:
> >
> > Another follow-up on the exchange with Mistress Angelique, this one about
> > kundalini and religion--a hot topic on this list, it seems.
> >
> > >rjills wrote:
> > >But why drag in extraneous identities?  It only
> > >> rankles some and is of no interest to others.
> >
> > >Hi
> > >
> > >Perhpas because it was just those "extraneous others" who released the K
> > >in me?  I'll abide by your wish not to talk of it here, but "they" were
> > >not 'extraneous'.  It was not a purely 'human' phenomena nor expeience.
> > >
> > >Have a nice day.
> > >
> > >jan
> >
> > I'm with you, Jan.  Furthermore, who says the deities of religion are
> > "merely extraneous."  The God I worship is both transcendent and immanent.
> >
> > The idea of awakening and then trying to integrate kundalini outside of a
> > context of relationship with Higher Power seems terribly naive and fraught
> > with danger.  I cannot over-emphasize the risk of Ego-inflation to those
> > who follow such a path.  This has been my experience in working with the
> > Spiritual Emergence Network, and in my correspondence with hundreds of
> > people.
> >
> > I wonder where the list is on this issue.  Is rjills right?  Are you mostly
> > rankled and/or disinterested in the relationship between kundalini and
> > religious spirituality?  If so, I'm outa-here.
> >
> > Peace to all!  Phil
> I think religion discussions kept in the context of kundalini issues is
> fine. Different religions provide viewing the kundalini from different
> aspects and further our understanding of both K and the religion, but
> where I draw the line is when someone says their religion is the only
> correct one and proceeds to dictate that the rest of us are wrong for
> seeing things differently.
> --Bob

There is a large difference between religiouosity and spirituality,
let's be clear on that. No body here is pushing or trying to get to one
thought. The western and eastern truths are not enemies in this, it is
the mind that is out of sink with truth. Let's start from there. Gloria
-


Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Kundalini Realities

>I have no way of knowing about the "truth" of your faery world.  I have no
>need to judge it.  But it isn't real to me, so I am very curious about its
>reality for you.
-

Howard,


        An interesting discussion you've brought up.  I will add to it, and
make a slight tangent out of things but it is somewhat related.

        It seems that as a multi-dimensional Spirit, we are able to manifest
a near infinite amount of realities, as Seth* explains.  What is it that
defines what will be in our reality from this enormous storehouse of
possibilities?  Seth explains that our reality is filtered through our
beliefs, which explains the differing visions experienced by those with
awakened K.  The Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jew and Muslim, and others will
see visions only within their own belief structure.  

        I would imagine that the same would apply to faeries.  One would
need to be somewhat open to their existence or their reality in order to
experience that reality.  If we are closed off to something through our
beliefs, we will only experience a reality that is in congruence with our
beliefs.  Beliefs have a powerful affect on consciousness, it can close off
psychic abilities, higher levels, ability to act and even the ability to feel.  

        For me, I tend to stay open but skeptical as far as *knowing*
something is true until I experience something that solidifies that reality
as Truth.  For me, I know that faeries, devas, or nature spirits are real,
that they do have a reality of their own and that reality does indeed
coincide or overlap our own.  I have felt them psychically, which is proof
enough for me.  

-        Also, a quick note here, I do find my abilities a helpful tool in
learning about the spiritual.  I know some people believe that they take
away from true spirituality as a distraction, and maybe I will come to that
conclusion later as well, but for now they are a very helpful tool.  For
anyone who has awakened their K and isn't experiencing psychic abilities,
and would like to, spin your chakras to the mental side.  Howard, you may
wish to do this and then see what you pick up on as far as the different
energies of nature.  You may be surprised at this experiment.  


-
Tim
  

*The Seth books, channeled material, author Jane Robert's.
   



Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: Kundalini Questions..

TeeegeeeATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

> Does this weight gain have anything to do
> with the K (or was I just eating from a place of fear, and now, that I think
> I have gotten over the fear, is just a habit?)?

Hi tg
>     I'll let others deal with your more profound questions; let me tackle the 
eating one since I went through it too.  The wonderful, positive side of 
k release is so FULLFILLING, that I felt so EMPTY when it wasn't there 
and at least food made me feel a little more 'fullfilled'; like a poor 
man's substitute.  How could anything on earth possibly compete with the 
incredible out of this world experience of K?  Ordinary life seemed a 
little meaningless for a while in comparison.  I learned to see value in 
the small, in the ordinary; "To see the world in a grain of sand..."; to 
begin to understand  the microcosm of the world around me as a reflection 
of the All.  The appetite abated.  It also helped that I took megadoses 
of minerals, B vitamins and C because sometimes I raised the K without 
having had the internal resources to feed its fires; this lead to 
appetite.  

Good luck in your quest

in peace

jan

-

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 
From: CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: K in Genisis story

I am curently watching a bit on Genisis on TV and thought that somepeople
might what to discuss the Genisis story from the Bible in relation to
Kundalini.

Why does the snake show Eve to the Tree of Knowledge?
Apple's are red, kundalini nectar is red
what knowledge was gained
why were Adam and Eve banished

Also someone somewhere related Moses' Burning Bush to K (a burning bush which
doesn't burn away and speaks the words of God ect.)

What other Connections to Kundalini can be found or assumed from the Bible?

Are we just interpreting it the way we want for whatever perposes we see fit?

Tell me something, or tell me I'm crazy

Aaron



Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Kundalini Questions..

What a beautiful, open letter.  I, for one, am very glad you posted it.  My
one OBE was as you described.  Soundless joy, bliss, etc.  It lasted a brief
time (I ended it with the thought: Oh, so this is what it will be.  Guess I
better go back and watch my daughter grow up.-- and I was just spacey
peaceful for months afterwards.  10 yrs. later KA.  Perhaps my response was
well grounded - I think after reading of your troubles. Others on the list
know much more than I but you might think of this flatish period as a time
of recouperation and resting up for future episodes... That is often what
happens to me.  I have no clue as to the weight thing.

Welcome to the active part of the list.
Mary


At 03:21 PM 11/10/96 -0500, TeeegeeeATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
>Hey...
>
>    I've been on this list for about a month now and have enjoyed all of the
>posts.  Have been learning alot about what may have happened to me three
>years ago with a K experience. I did all the (wrong) things, not even
>realizing what was happening until it did.  With my K rising, it created a
>psycotic reaction that scared the living daylights out of me.  Had to give up
>my son full-time to my ex, lost my business, my apartment, my confidence, my
>sanity...  The only thing I gained during that whole experience was weight!
> Gained over 50 pounds over just a few months.....
>    Prior to this experience (after a couple of months of disciplined
>meditation, study & internal chants), I had a wonderful (spontaneous)
>K-rising one morning (I wasn't in meditation), where one moment I was 'here'
>and, the next moment, everything was nothing but white and lights they went
>on forever, no sounds - total peace & quiet was the most amazing thing....
>Lasted a couple of hours.  
>    Of course, not even knowing this place even existed before, I became
>quite obsessed to getting back to it.  I overmeditated, overstudied,
>overchanted...... which brought me to where I'm at now.
>     Where am I?  I wish I knew.  I guess I'm a perfect case to prove what
>'not to do' to raise your k...  I feel my sanity has returned (Thank God!),
>and recently have gotten my son back full time.  But, something.... something
>is missing.  I have felt the total bliss in the past and loved it, but have
>come to realize I cannot live in this world and that world at the same time.
> For about the past year, it's like I feel... nothing.  I am not able to
>meditate, nor study, on a regular basis (when I do, I feel like I'm losing
>touch...).   
>     I have learned so much the past couple of years.  Used to be such a nice
>wimpy martyr.... now I speak up for myself no matter what.  I've ended
>relationships that needed to be ended.  I've learned to let go of the guilt
>as it comes up.  I've faced SO many fears, & actually get a kick out of
>facing them.  
>     But, the joy isn't there.  I don't feel I'm depressed... just feel kind
>of blah.  nothing.  zip.  maybe that's depression.  altho I've been depressed
>before and this doesn't feel the same.  
>    I guess my question is... is this part of the process (after having such
>a frightening experience)?  Is there anything I can do to bring back the joy
>in my life?  Is it possible for me to ever work with the K once again, but do
>it right this time?   And, to add a rather (vain) question.... will this dang
>extra weight I gained ever come off?   (haven't had ANY luck - altho it
>wasn't a problem before this).  Does this weight gain have anything to do
>with the K (or was I just eating from a place of fear, and now, that I think
>I have gotten over the fear, is just a habit?)?
>     I thought a long time before writing all of this to post for all of you
>to read.  But you seem to have much to say to each other's questions, and I
>am hoping some of you can enlighten me on what the heck is going on.  I can
>feel my life slowly coming back together, and I truly realize the importance
>of staying in the moment (and do my best to stay there!).  
>     Thanks for listening.  You all are such a blessing.  You can reply
>personally to TeeegeeeATNOSPAMaol.com or post.  Whatever.  I'm just facing one more
>fear here...
>
>tg
->
>
>



Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: high heels

-    DISCLAIMER: No, this has nothing to do with S/M or D/S.  It has to do with 
                    K rising or resting or getting imbalanced.


Does the wearing of high heeled shoes effect K?  I wore a 3" pair for a few
minutes yesterday (very rare for me to do so unless they are fairly low) and
felt almost immediately off-kilter K wise. Has anyone else felt this?  Does
anyone wear fairly high heels most of the time?  Do you notice any effect on
K when you do or don't?

I know this may seem a frivolous area to get into but it may not be so at
all.  Let's wait and see what the response is before the flames are
contemplated. TIA

Mary



Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: K in Genisis story

CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

> Tell me something, or tell me I'm crazy
> 
> Aaron

Hi Aaron

I'll probably get blasted for some of this, but here goes... Please allow 
me to diverge for a second to provide a background.  When Adam and Eve 
were created and placed in the Garden, evolved man was in the Bronze Age 
(and these are the peoples that Cain went to when he was banished.) Other 
groups of humanoids were to follow (eg. Genesis - " and the sons of God 
came unto the daughters of men and unto them was born...." eg  "there 
were giants upon earth...")  The role of Adam and Eve must have been 
rather special in purpose to have been so protected and nurtured by God.

Kundalini does give knowledge; no doubt.  It does not, however give 
knowledge of "Good and Evil" which is the type of knowledge that the tree 
in the Garden gave.  In fact, the K experience seems to obliterate this 
narrow way of looking and opens up an experience of innocence that helps 
in removing the guilt of sex, for example, and returns us to the Garden 
in some ways.  

The serpent then, is not likely to be the K serpent which I have always 
"see-felt" as having three strands.  The one gives knowledge at the 
expense of innocence; the other restores innocence and knowledge to a 
workable relationship.  
-
The serpent in Genesis reminds me of Prometheus and Epimetheus who stole 
fire from the Gods and gave it to man so that he could be more like the 
gods and is punished for it for eternity.  

Ouch - perspective blurs distinctions here.  The 'great ones of old' here 
are probably the those of Greek/Roman mythology since even the name of 
Appollo is mentioned in Revelations.  It could account for Prometheus and 
his brother as the twin snakes Caduseus for example - If it is K energy 
(fire that heals) then, yes, a dangerous gift and a beautiful one too
-
I hope I have raised more questions than I have answered only  in the 
hopes of finding some answers from out there myself. 

When I put aside my intellect and go with my inner knowledge; I would 
answer you this way.  Knowledge in and of itself is useless unless it is 
tied to purpose.  Adam and Eve sought knowledge for a purpose that was 
less than noble, and so could no longer fulfull the role that they came 
to earth to fulfull.  Knowledge that comes out of K experience is 
likewise useless until tied to purpose.  In fact, how many times has 
knowing more served to guide you less?  Some inner, deeper knowledge, 
perhaps the core of what I think of as the ultimate Mystery must be 
linked to knowledge for it to be valid on any but the level of illusion.
The other stuff I wrote, the academic intellectualizing is just that - a 
mind at play.  It means little but to whet the curiousity.

Good luck and I look forward to reading other answers to the questions 
you have raised.

jan