kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 217 

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: Peter Norton 
Subject: Re: K experience

someone wrote:
>Does anyone else have guides that have appeared to them in dreams to
>teach them about the experience. Or have you just been ignoring the
>dreams.. smile..

I had a very intense dream about a week ago involving a teacher I have
not seen for a few years, I was sitting in a circle with him and about
5 Native Americans (the teacher is Chinese American), 
one elder was opposite me looking intently at me
with ice blue eyes like a wolf, they were asking me about my lack 
of meditation experience/commitment, after a bit of mumbling on my part, 
my teacher raised his hands to signal silence, and they all entered
into samadhi silently, as if for my benefit.  After a bit they came
out of it and got up to cook dinner and made smalltalk as if nothing
had happened.  Needless to say, I didnt 'get it'.

(before going to bed that night, had seen a nature TV show about
wolves, and had had a deep spiritual discussion with friend)

anyway, I am still thinking about that one!  Those eyes!  whew!

cheers
-


Date: Sun,  3 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: hummm

If you can't understand that last message from me.. Don't worry.. "I 
can't either'.. I must have neglected to delete all of the sentence 
before writing another one.. anyway.. It's weird.. Please forgive me..
-
giggling. 
flute



Date: Sun,  3 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMPRODIGY.COM (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Re: K experience

RE: Guides..
laughing. out loud.. Eileen..  I had been waiting and anticipating 
the response from a guide.. always wondering when I would first hear 
from them and one night 
I heard a man laughing.. and he said "What! you expected lightening 
bolts" and then the voice disappeared.. I swear it was a NY accent.
Flute
San Antonio, Texas


-
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 96 
From: Marc Nevas 
Subject: kundalini conference

>
>
>>Instead of having a separate conference, why not simply link up at the next
>>KRN conference?  I'm not sure where the '97 one will be.  It's generally
>>held in October.
>>
>>Phil
>>
>Dear Phil,
>
>I have also been a member of KRN for several years and attended the last two
>conferences. You are correct that they do an excellent job of putting on
>conferences. Unfortunately this year's conference is in Germany and that
>makes it not possible for many of us to attend. Because of this, and because
>there are so many people involved in the kundalini process, a conference or
>retreat in this country this year would be a good idea. A tremendous amount
>of energy is exchanged at these events and good healing occurs. Individuals
>who feel isolated from others the rest of the year gain tremendous benefit
>form meeting others who's lives are changing in conjunction with the
>kundalini experience. 
>
>I would encourage continued discussion on the topic of a conference and then
>a straw vote of those served by this list to see how many are interested in
>attending a four day retreat or conference. A small intimate retreat may be
>the most benificial for those currently in the process.
->
>Marc Nevas
>
>
>



Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: "James Vernon, Allison" 
Subject: WoW!!!

I want to thank the people who responded to my last post, I didn't 
expect them so fast  :)

Now that I have put my first foot foward, in asking my query, I guess 
it would be best if I gave a little background.  A few years ago, I 
ran a BBS (bulletin board system) that dealed exclusivly with 
metaphysics, all aspects.  One of the people that I met thru the bbs 
was a Dr. Prabaka who said that he could and would raise my K.  I was 
intrigued (to say the least) and so accepted his offer.  We met soon 
after that and it was done, he did something while I was in an easy 
sitting position with my eyes closed, and afterwards, I did notice a slight
change in my perspective of things.

One of the physical manifistations is a rather cool 
breeze that I can still feel on my palms when I place either one of 
them 6 or so inches above my head.  I have been told that it means 
that my K is going and working.  I for one am not sure.  Dr. Prabaka 
is of the Sahaja - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi style.
-
My next experience was when I went to a different yoga class, a 3HO 
kundalini class.  Let me tell you, when that class ended, I was in 
such a state that I felt I was in heaven!  I was on this high state 
of life for two days.  During this time, I had a couple of major 
realizations, one of which was the fact that I really didn't need 
materialistic objects any more.  Well, after I came down, I decided 
that I liked my material things and I loved my ego!  Shame on me, I 
know  *sigh*, but that is what happened, and I haven't meditated except 
for two or three times a year since then.
-
The only other metaphysical experience I have had since then is when 
I started reading about the ways of shamanism, and Black Elk of the 
Lakota tribe.  I visualized my guide, a very strong eagle, and 
thought it was pretty cool.  One evening, after going for a walk with 
my son (7) and my daughter (9), we realized that my son had dropped a 
small toy that he really liked somewhere in a 1/4 mile square field 
of wild grass and weeds.  I went out the next morning to find it, and 
after traversing the length of the field, was about to give up.  I 
decided to try this indian guide that I had visualized, and so I 
asked it to help me find the toy.  I started walking back the way I 
came, and lo and behold, halfway through the field, in a circular 
clearing about 3 feet in diamiter, there was his toy!

So, now to the nitty gritty.  I know that there is some kind of 
power, as I have had actual experience with it.
I think that it's most likely within myself.  eg, the eagle is 
a manifistation of my higher self.  I also have the feeling that this 
has happened because of my K experience.   Now, the question is, how 
do I develop this power now that I am ready to?  I do not wish to 
have others do it for me if I am able to do it on my own.  My quest 
is a noble one now that I have the correct frame of mind, that being 
that I wish to be a healer.

Well, I've said my piece, and typed more in this post than I have 
written in all my i-net posts combined over the past 4 years!  All 
flames will be ignored, as they tend to burn me and I really dislike pain  :)

Thank you all for lending me your eyes, and I hope to get many 
answers  :)
-


Date: Sun,  3 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Re: Love, Kundalini, & God

smile.. Have you or anyone of you heard of JOINING..
where you join with another soul and you both raise the kundalini
together???
-


Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: allergies

Margaret A. Blaine wrote:
> 
> To all allergy sufferers
>      My husband suffered from serious allergies for 25 years.  He took
> allergy shots once a week etc etc etc.  He heard from a friend that
> Neurolinguistic Programming   NLP for short had a process which would
> reeducate the nervous system so it wouldn't overeact to things which were in
> fact not dangerous to it.  He went through this mental process and has not
> had any allergies since.  This was two years ago.
>       It's a simple process which takes about 15 minutes and is very
> effective.  I hope those of you who are suffering will not discount this,
> but will try it.  My husband's doctor just didn't believe him when he told
> him what he had done.  He said it was impossible
>                        Have fun
>                             Margaret

Margaret,
This is reprograming the sub-conscious is it not? It of course works,
that is why detachment is essential in the awakening process, you dump
what you think you know, and that receive inner awareness from within
which recreates every aspect of life. Gloria


-
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: WoW!!!

James Vernon, Allison wrote:
> 
> I want to thank the people who responded to my last post, I didn't
> expect them so fast  :)
> 
> Now that I have put my first foot foward, in asking my query, I guess
> it would be best if I gave a little background.  A few years ago, I
> ran a BBS (bulletin board system) that dealed exclusivly with
> metaphysics, all aspects.  One of the people that I met thru the bbs
> was a Dr. Prabaka who said that he could and would raise my K.  I was
> intrigued (to say the least) and so accepted his offer.  We met soon
> after that and it was done, he did something while I was in an easy
> sitting position with my eyes closed, and afterwards, I did notice a slight
> change in my perspective of things.
> 
> One of the physical manifistations is a rather cool
> breeze that I can still feel on my palms when I place either one of
> them 6 or so inches above my head.  I have been told that it means
> that my K is going and working.  I for one am not sure.  Dr. Prabaka
> is of the Sahaja - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi style.
> 
> My next experience was when I went to a different yoga class, a 3HO
> kundalini class.  Let me tell you, when that class ended, I was in
> such a state that I felt I was in heaven!  I was on this high state
> of life for two days.  During this time, I had a couple of major
> realizations, one of which was the fact that I really didn't need
> materialistic objects any more.  Well, after I came down, I decided
> that I liked my material things and I loved my ego!  Shame on me, I
> know  *sigh*, but that is what happened, and I haven't meditated except
> for two or three times a year since then.
> 
> The only other metaphysical experience I have had since then is when
> I started reading about the ways of shamanism, and Black Elk of the
> Lakota tribe.  I visualized my guide, a very strong eagle, and
> thought it was pretty cool.  One evening, after going for a walk with
> my son (7) and my daughter (9), we realized that my son had dropped a
> small toy that he really liked somewhere in a 1/4 mile square field
> of wild grass and weeds.  I went out the next morning to find it, and
> after traversing the length of the field, was about to give up.  I
> decided to try this indian guide that I had visualized, and so I
> asked it to help me find the toy.  I started walking back the way I
> came, and lo and behold, halfway through the field, in a circular
> clearing about 3 feet in diamiter, there was his toy!
> 
> So, now to the nitty gritty.  I know that there is some kind of
> power, as I have had actual experience with it.
> I think that it's most likely within myself.  eg, the eagle is
> a manifistation of my higher self.  I also have the feeling that this
> has happened because of my K experience.   Now, the question is, how
> do I develop this power now that I am ready to?  I do not wish to
> have others do it for me if I am able to do it on my own.  My quest
> is a noble one now that I have the correct frame of mind, that being
> that I wish to be a healer.
> 
> Well, I've said my piece, and typed more in this post than I have
> written in all my i-net posts combined over the past 4 years!  All
> flames will be ignored, as they tend to burn me and I really dislike pain  :)
> 
> Thank you all for lending me your eyes, and I hope to get many
> answers  :)Hello James
Thank you for opening up and giving the specifics of your experience.
Though I usually avoid giving advice, dang it, here I go! . .
If you are sincerely interested in evolving SPIRITUALLY as efficiently as
possible:

Do not be ashamed of having an ego and enjoying the material. Such are
our present tools and home base.

Do not be ashamed of not doing a regular formal meditation practice. You
will WANT it when the time is right, and the wanting may be cyclic.

Do not be seduced by the glitter of "powers" - psychic knowledge,
healing, etc. Such powers are NOT spirituality and NOT wisdom. They are
just phenomena, and they have diverted countless souls into a glamorous
dead end. It's one of the major traps on the spiritual path. Powers may
blossom spontaneously in compassionate service, but are not to be sought.
And many of the greatest souls who have blessed this sad world have not
had the slightest psychic inkling and did not care a fig about Kundalini.
Kundalini activity is only a part of the Path, and not the ultimate.

However, if the metaphysical realm draws you, explore it. Follow your
bliss. But do not mistake metaphysics for spirituality.

Do not seek to arouse Kundalini. Stir her prematurely and she may consume
you. When you are ripe, she will embrace you in her holy fire, after
which you will grow beyond her.

Know your needs and get them fulfilled; this is integrity, and from this
blossoms effortless selfless service.

Make your life a song of gratitude, and you will never want for anything.

And, finally, do not underestimate the tremendous opportunities in
family, relationships and daily life. There is no more powerful yoga than
compassionate equanamous attention to this instant, this word, this body
sensation, this craving, this aversion.

Let go. Trust that you are exactly where you belong, unfolding as you
should.

Nothing requires more courage that patience.

Thanks for your attention. I've had my say, and I won't belabor it.
Love,
Eileen
-


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: Love, Kundalini, & God

L.D. McClanahan, Ph.D., Psych wrote:
> 
> Hi,
-
Hi, L.D!  First, let me say:  What a gorgeous post!  I just wanted to
throw in a couple of thoughts...

> I am going to risk being considered heretic or worse.  Several
> terms or concepts used by many, and not just on this list, lack
> operational specificity and objectivity, and conflict with other
> concepts or terms than I churn around in my head.  

I am guessing you are responding specifically to the "unconditional
love" dialogue, but were there other terms?  Which? Just curious.

>         To me, love is another vibration which polarizes from the
> hypothalamus, located somewhat opposite to hate and other emotions. 

I just wanted to related an experiment I did a while back, which,
subjective as it is, is very interesting. As I've mentioned before here,
sometimes I get very clear body-scan kind of imagery (depending on my
diet and how much yoga I'm doing). 
 
At one point I was playing with emotions, focusing the gaze on the heart
area. The "plane" I was "tuned in to" was (oh! How to describe this?!)
well, let's just say, a little bit like being underwater, with points
generating waveforms in three dimensions, like when a pebble is dropped
on the surface of water, only radiating out three-dimensionally.  So,
imagine two points or two "pebbles" generating waveforms constantly--but
waveforms which did not reach and create a matrix.  The tone and
amplitude of these constant, pulsing waves are effected by the breath
and so on. 

Watching these two points, I experimented with radiating "love"
(generally on the exhale).  And something very interesting happened. 
Unfortunately I lack the physics vocabulary to describe it well, so bear
with me.  "Resistance" between waves was instantly diminished.  Under
the aspect of "love" the waves generated by these two points began to
interpenetrate, to mesh together, to intermingle, to create a matrix
whch spread out multi-dimensionally across feilds.  "Energy" was allowed
to flow and spread, penetrating otherwise untouched areas. When I
stopped, the flow between points stopped, resistance returned. 
Incidently, when I tried generating "bad vibes" it was pretty much the
same as neutral.  "Love" caused everything to spread and relax and melt
together.

> emotions they are more resident within the limbic system and emotion
> layer of the aura.  I do not doubt the need for unconditional love for
> life and others; we have laws against those expressing hate and 
> harming
> others.  One cannot be productive in society without a modicum of love
> toward others, but as a vibration level love becomes on a par with 
> other
> vibrational levels, 

Agreed.  Love without wit and wisdom is like, uh, breakfast without
orange juice...?

> Those who practice meditation report going "into the void,"
> presumed to be a state of bliss or God; perhaps that is null 
> vibration, perhaps not.

A note: in yoga, one is often reminded to maintain equanimity--to be
without apprehension on the one side, or enthusiasm on the other, to
simply observe.  

>         Kundalini energy by definition has vibration, probably three
> different kinds or quantum forms of vibration, presumed to have
> consciousness, i.e., capability of awareness.  

My suspision is that kundalini is to regular "energy" as lasers are to
visible light.  There does, in fact, appear to me to be a kind of
"lasing" process which occurs, a kind of "coherence" finally created.
What is the energetic relationship of lased light to regular visible
light of the same temperature?  Would be interesting to know... 


>         I do not doubt that mystical experences and higher energy 
> forms
> can be observed or sensed; nor do I doubt that individuals can/do
> channel higher energy forms or can become aware of spirits or faeries > or
> such.  

Me either, but I also personally wouldn't place too special a value on
this...

> This universe/creation is too vast for us to comprehend so that
> we must remain open minded, while always cautious how our limited
> physical gifts, even if Kundalini aware, pose forms of limitation 
> about
> which we must be careful.

Agreed. 
-
[snip>

> I do not let
> my love of others, and believe me when I say that I could not function
> day by day in my work without plenty of love for the plights of 
> others,
> distort how to view others more wholistically, other dimensionally, 
> more
> developmentally as functioning through time(s) on paths I cannot 
> discern
> with my limited talents and perspective.

I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying here. 

[snip>
> Let us grow personally as we share experiences, our thoughts and
> feelings.  Let us preceed with humility without too many 
> preconceptions
> about Love, Kundalini, & God.  L. D.
-
Amen.

Juliet



Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: K experience/guides
-
Peter Norton wrote:
> 
> someone wrote:
> >Does anyone else have guides that have appeared to them in dreams to
> >teach them about the experience. Or have you just been ignoring the
> >dreams.. smile..
> 
> I had a very intense dream about a week ago involving a teacher I have
> not seen for a few years, I was sitting in a circle with him and about
> 5 Native Americans (the teacher is Chinese American),
> one elder was opposite me looking intently at me
> with ice blue eyes like a wolf, 
...snip...
>!  Those eyes!  whew!
> 
I know what you mean about those eyes! In my dream, many years ago, I
saw wolves at the back of our field. I was afraid they would get in a
fight with my dog, so I went back inside to get my rifle. When I came
back out, the wolves had left, but there were two cougars, twins, with
beautiful, wise, compassionate eyes. They just looked at me.  Then all
these animals started parading through my yard-like a circus or zoo.

>From that dream I took the name, Twin Cougars. Years later, in a
shamanic journey, I was with my cougar and he took me to his den where
he and his mate had cubs(?).  They were all hungry, so I offered my body
to them.  They tore it to pieces, then invited the other forest animals
to finish the leftovers. {This is a classic shamanic "dismemberment
experience"} All that was left were my bones. Then all these birds
landed on my bones and started putting me back together. They patched
flesh back on (from themselves?) and when they were all done, I thanked
everyone, but noticed that my eyes were missing.  My cougar pulled out
his own eyes and gave them to me, so now I have cougar-eyes :)

When I left, I looked back and saw that my cougar now had quartz
crystals for eyes!! We both had evolved through the experience.

This dosn't relate directly to K, but more to the dream guides and blue
eyes.
--Bob
-


Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: re: big and little Faerie folk

Angelique,
	I enjoyed your post...I have always been drawn to
enchanted forests and magickal places. Do you think there
is a connection to Kundalini Yoga? Obviously there must be,
however I seem to have closed myself off from these things
somehow...maybe because they are usually associated with
Western culture. I know it is part of my karma though, and
the landscape is so much more alive to be open to it. So sweet
to close my eyes and dream of emerald moss and giant mushrooms,
timeless trees and deep woods that are an endless universe of
dreams, with secret caves filled with magickal riches below, and
the cool night sky of divine stars above. Where the air is 
sweet, and the water is so pure, it is heaven to drink it. 
Where love comes, an innocent desire for a beautiful friend,
a caring and fascination that deepens to unlimited hot pleasure  
where everything is revealed and nothing is left undone. Am I
tripping? Yeah, I think I must be...maybe I should trip off into
the third state...now

	later,
		Paco


-
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: Uncle Albert

Dear list members,
 
Here are a few more quotes from Uncle Albert.
  
"  Whoever undertakes to set himself
-    up as judge in the field of truth
    and knowledge is shipwrecked
    by the laughter of the gods. "

"  No problem can be solved from
    the same conciousness that created it "

"  Teaching should be such that what is offered
    is perceived as a valuable gift
    and not as a hard duty. "
-
   Albert Einstein
   1879 - 1955



Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: K experience/guides

You wrote: This dosn't relate directly to K, but more to the dream 
guides and blue eyes. --Bob
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, it does. Spiritual Emergence takes many forms. DAN-RF



Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: Re - post
-
   Suddenly, some cosmic energy,
   Some subtle entity,
   Touched her like shadows.

   Blondie



Date: Mon,  4 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Re: WoW!!!

YES!!!!.. One of my totems is the Eagle and I have a guide Rainbow 
Dancer.. I was told
she was Black Elk and liked the name I had given her.. Which related 
to Dancing with
the different colors of the Chakras..
Fantastic.. yes
hugs and brightest blessings
flute



Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 
From: wrigaATNOSPAMsisna.com (Anne Wright)
Subject: Re: WoW!!!

>James,
I haven't posted to the list for a while, but I read your post and was just
about to respond, but then discovered that I don't have to. Eileen said it
far better than I. You cannot force K energy, and it will never show up in
the face of a strong ego. If you are meant to be a healer, the path will
come. Let it come to you (I have to say this to myself constantly.) Welcome
again. Anne

James Vernon, Allison wrote:

>
>Do not be seduced by the glitter of "powers" - psychic knowledge,
>healing, etc. Such powers are NOT spirituality and NOT wisdom. They are
>just phenomena, and they have diverted countless souls into a glamorous
>dead end. It's one of the major traps on the spiritual path. Powers may
>blossom spontaneously in compassionate service, but are not to be sought.
>And many of the greatest souls who have blessed this sad world have not
>had the slightest psychic inkling and did not care a fig about Kundalini.
>Kundalini activity is only a part of the Path, and not the ultimate.
>
>However, if the metaphysical realm draws you, explore it. Follow your
>bliss. But do not mistake metaphysics for spirituality.
->
>Do not seek to arouse Kundalini. Stir her prematurely and she may consume
>you. When you are ripe, she will embrace you in her holy fire, after
>which you will grow beyond her.
>
>Know your needs and get them fulfilled; this is integrity, and from this
>blossoms effortless selfless service.
>
>Make your life a song of gratitude, and you will never want for anything.
>
>And, finally, do not underestimate the tremendous opportunities in
>family, relationships and daily life. There is no more powerful yoga than
>compassionate equanamous attention to this instant, this word, this body
>sensation, this craving, this aversion.
>
>Let go. Trust that you are exactly where you belong, unfolding as you
>should.
>
>Nothing requires more courage that patience.
>
>Thanks for your attention. I've had my say, and I won't belabor it.
>Love,
>Eileen



Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 
From: wrigaATNOSPAMsisna.com (Anne Wright)
Subject: Re: Spirit guides

>Twice to the list in one morning.Wow. One of my spiritual guides who was
>present during my awakening was also one of my teachers. She had a nervous
>breakdown when we were juniors, and never returned (partly due to the
>envasive treatments used for breakdowns at that time), finally ending her
>life. She was fighting hard for educational reform before the world was
>ready. It was really tough for us to understand as teenagers. Anyway, she
>appeared during my awakening to let me know that she would help me through
>this. Guess what I am doing now? Many of the ideas are hers. I think we
>should do an astrological chart on the list. It seems to have a cycle of
>its own. Richard. Can you give me it's date, time and place of birth?
>(maybe I am serious).Anne

>I had a very intense dream about a week ago involving a teacher I have
>not seen for a few years



Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: SYDA Yoga
-
The phone number for the main SYDA Yoga Ashram in upstate New York is:
(914) 434-2000.  They can provide info on all local ashrams/centers.

Thanks, mom!

Juliet
P.S. I would check out the stuff on the net, as the split between
Chidvilasinanda and her brother is worth knowing about before you get
involved.
-


Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Love, Kundalini, & God

James Vernon, Allison wrote:
> 
> Well, here am I.  An old soul (me thinks), on a new journey.  I had
> my serpent within awakened about three or four years ago, and then
> for unknown reasons I decided that the time wasn't right for me so I
> never meditated or worked with the power.  I have just realized, very
> recently that I should start following the path to ascension, and not
> worry about the great many things that my ego doesn't want to lose.
> So, here I am.  I have many questions, a great many in fact.  But
> will start with a single one, as with the first step of any journey.
> 
> What can I do to raise the kundalini on my own?
> 
> Thank you for allowing me to journey with you all on this path.

James, The first important step is to ask yourself some important
questions. Does this kundalini awakening involve a realtionship with
God? If so, are you willing to align with Divine Will and be ready to
let go of what you think, and believe in order to enter a new reality?
If you can answer these questions from within, you have the foundation
for opening to the flow. Gloria