kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 202
1 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: Re: Saturday-Night-Feeber
Dear Friends,
- This is a lovely way of speaking, but it does not tell the whole
story. Celibacy is recommended for all those under 21 years of age. Men
are not overly encouraged to marry or have sex. If we do marry, sex must
be regulated. We must be well prepared for the fourth order of life. In
the Lord's abode, He is eternally a blossoming youth, before sex occurs.
His association is the highest spiritual achievement. We cannot approach
Him with any sex.
Sincerely,
cj
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"The person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady
in both is certainly eligible for liberation."
Bhagavad gita as it is 2.15
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On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Antaris Ra wrote:
> Beloved Jan:
> Beloved Woman:
> Beloved Man:
> Jan wrote:
> Be open for it. Want it. Want your pure love-light conection to the
> fifth dimension. Y o u will have it.
> The less you ask, the less you think, the sooner you will have it.
> Be yourself. Be LOVE. B E the ONE.
> Love simply is,
> Antaris
> limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py
>
>
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2 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: Saturday-Night-Feeber
Your friend at: wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> This is a lovely way of speaking, but it does not tell the whole
> story. Celibacy is recommended for all those under 21 years of age. Men
> are not overly encouraged to marry or have sex. If we do marry, sex must
> be regulated. We must be well prepared for the fourth order of life. In
> the Lord's abode, He is eternally a blossoming youth, before sex occurs.
> His association is the highest spiritual achievement. We cannot approach
> Him with any sex.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> cj
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Hi
Ron is right, my friend; he was answering my real question
(intuitively)rather than my overt one. I admire his courage in not
defending himself against my words; rather, he chose to help me. I thank
you for your perspective too.
jan
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3 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: "L.D. McClanahan"
Subject: Missing attachment
Henry:
Received your reply but not attachment:elkermsh.doc &/or
application/octet-stream abouty woman from Germany who "awakened."
Perhaps I do not know how to access attachments. Please resend. L.D.
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4 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: "Debee L. Thomas"
Subject: Re: new list?
> However, for some time, in my heart of hearts, I have yearned for a group of
> loving, like minded indivuals. At least more so than what I have seen on
> this list. No matter what we do, I do not feel like this is a place where I
> can reveal my deeper feelings. And yet, I love the k people. THey are my
> sisters and brothers. I want to dialog with those of them who have more in
> common with me in terms of enegy and tone. I still expect diversity. I seek
> open hearts, not lectures, that type of thing. Acceptance for who we are an
> unique individuals with k, not lectures and flames. Reality is, I want a
> place to open my heart, to give and receive love. No more , no less. And I
> have concluded that this energy here is beuatiful, informative, lots of
> things...just not one part that I also yearn for.
I understand this on a very deep level Traveler. So much so that I began
a chat channel on Undernet called #GreatOak. In the beginning it was
everything I had hoped for. Filled with loving, like-minded people.
However, as time went on it went through a shift. There were arguments
about points of view, beliefs and at times it got rather ugly. I'd step
in and ask people to try to maintain an open mind but it didn't always
work. I'm not saying the channel isn't the same anymore, because at
times it's very much the way it used to be. It goes through phases and
you'll most likely find this the case no matter where you go. It's sad
but when there is such a diversity of peoples, ideas, beliefs etc., it's
one of the pitfalls.
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Blessed Be
Debee
5 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: GrandmmaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Domestic Violence/K?
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I am a survivor of sexual abuse. As a child, I frequently had OBE's which
served as a means for my survival. My altered states as a child may very
well have contributed in some way to my K experiences as an adult. Being
able to transcend my physical state as a child has been a blessing in many
ways. I agree with Holly's premise concerning the connection between
domestic violence and the K experience. For me it makes sense.
Love and Light
Jean
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6 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: "L.D. McClanahan"
Subject: Unreceived attachment
Henry Swift:
Thank you for your response, but the attachment (elkermsh.doc or
applicatiion/octet-stream) about the woman from Germany who "awakened"
was not found. I may not know how to access attachments. Please
resend. L.D.
7 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: traveler
Subject: Re: new list?
Debbee,
I can relate to what you are saying. I have had several people respond to me
and now I am wondering what to do...how it would be any different at all...I
think so far I am just choosing to respond to people indivually and not to
the list. That feels more intimate. And like egos are less likely to get
involved when they don't think 100 people are out there watching.
I don't think I had a solution, merely a question. Although now that I have
had the responses, I probably will go ahead and do something, though I don't
know what.
Isn't it sad that we are like this? (It's easy to think others are this way,
and I have come to realize that even I can get this way...though I have
always tried to be nice and polite, still, there are times when I have begun
feeling like there was no easy way out of the circle of say something-defend
your self, or the accuracy of what was said---etc.)
Wishing for a more loving world, and thanking you for your message. And
finding a more loving world too, every time I look.
Best, Patti
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8 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Juliet's Kabalah snakes
yikes! what an experience! what i found especially interested was:
>
>--a single large white snake (with a vine of roses patterned into it's
>back!) with it's tail in it's mouth to
>
>--a series of white snakes encircling colored pools (red then orange
>then yellow, etc.) to
>
>--two white snakes intertwined to
>
>--a black and a white snake (both with the vine pattern) intertwined to
>form what we commonly call a "caduceus" (common to both kundalini and
>kabalah imagery, among other things)
>
>It's interesting to note that at the time I wasn't familiar with this
>form except as a medical symbol, and as the staff of Hermes from Greek
>mythology. Only subsequent research began to show me the complex
>history of the symbology, and that it was actually both kundalini and
>kabalah related...
interesting becasue i have seen all these snakes myself while recieving
Reiki. were these snakes in certain parts of your body, or was it just a
"seeing"? did you get any paticular feelings from these snakes?
if this gets too irrelevant to the list you can email me personally.
blessed be
Lia
p.s. glad your recovering
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9 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: What's Qi?
>To whom it may concern,
>
> Praying all is well this sunday morning.
>
> I would like to say that Qi, Ch'i, and prana are more or less the
>same thing.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Christopher
>
true. ch'i and prana are the saem basic life energy, but the chinese ch'i
meridians are different from teh yogic prana channels. soemthing i've heard
and experienced, but don't know much more than that.
anyone else know more?
Lia
10 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: Juliet
Subject: Rolfing
I am thinking about getting rolfed--has anybody out there tried it
and/or have insights into its subtle value??
The rolfer I've found has been practising yoga for twenty years and
seems to understand a synergism between the two--
Here is a site: http://www.holistic.com/essays/rolfing01.html
Juliet
11 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Saturday-Night-Feeber
>
>Dear Friends,
->
> This is a lovely way of speaking, but it does not tell the whole
>story. Celibacy is recommended for all those under 21 years of age. Men
>are not overly encouraged to marry or have sex. If we do marry, sex must
>be regulated. We must be well prepared for the fourth order of life. In
>the Lord's abode, He is eternally a blossoming youth, before sex occurs.
>His association is the highest spiritual achievement. We cannot approach
>Him with any sex.
IMHO, Bullshit!
--Bob
12 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: rjills
Subject: Re: Saturday-Night-Feeber
Come on Bob, tell us what you really think. :^) Royale
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13 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: Juliet
Subject: Re: Rolfing--address correction
Correction!
It really is: http://www.holistic.com/essays/rolfng01.html
("rolfng" instead of "rolfing")
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Thanks R
14 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: Re: Saturday-Night-Feeber
To whom it may concern,
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My prayers are with you all.
Please excuse me for having invoked hard language from a
recipient. I should have mentioned that this is the prescription for
Vedic culture. It is in pursuit of Bhakti-yoga.
Sincerely,
cj
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"The person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady
in both is certainly eligible for liberation."
Bhagavad gita as it is 2.15
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On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Dorman, Robert wrote:
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> > This is a lovely way of speaking, but it does not tell the whole
> >story. Celibacy is recommended for all those under 21 years of age. Men
> >are not overly encouraged to marry or have sex. If we do marry, sex must
> >be regulated. We must be well prepared for the fourth order of life. In
> >the Lord's abode, He is eternally a blossoming youth, before sex occurs.
> >His association is the highest spiritual achievement. We cannot approach
> >Him with any sex.
>
> IMHO, Bullshit!
> --Bob
>
>
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15 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Saturday-Night-Feeber
>Come on Bob, tell us what you really think. :^) Royale
>
>
OK. It was previously written:
> This is a lovely way of speaking, but it does not tell the whole
>story. Celibacy is recommended for all those under 21 years of age. Men
>are not overly encouraged to marry or have sex. If we do marry, sex must
>be regulated. We must be well prepared for the fourth order of life. In
>the Lord's abode, He is eternally a blossoming youth, before sex occurs.
>His association is the highest spiritual achievement. We cannot approach
>Him with any sex.
Whereupon I replied:
IMHO, Bullshit!
To clarify, I question the "authority" of the unnamed source that claims
"celibacy is recommended...." Who says so? A bunch of un-sourced platitudes
are given. "In the Lord's abode, He is..."-- how does the writer know this?
And why the patrarchical HE? How does the writer know it isn't a SHE or an
IT? "We cannot aproach Him with any sex." OH REALLY! Sorry, I don't buy
that. Sex is, IMO, a sacred, creative act that has several functions or
purposes: 1) Procreation, 2) Regeneration, 3)Spiritualization.
The regeneration here is the utilization of the creative sexual energy for
sustaining, rebuilding and perfecting the physical, mental and emotional
structures and natures of both husband and wife.
Spiritualization refers to the conscious, persistant direction of the forces
of the sexual creative center in such a way as to bring about the
immortalization of the soul. [more explanation of this can be found in the
book, One Flesh, by Gerald E. Poesnecker, N.D.,D.C. (and a good friend of mine)]
--Bob
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.--Bob
A truly wise man will not be carried away by any of the eight winds:
prosperity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering and
pleasure. He is neither elated by prosperity nor grieved by decline.
---Nichiren Daishonin
16 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: Dolce Vita
Subject: Re: Rice recipes from Bangladesh... (fwd)
Wonderful recipes!, I love Indian cooking and I never know how to make
them. there is an indian grocery nearby, we need their spices so the
food tastes as the "real thing"
Thank you!
K for world peace,
Lissette
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17 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996
From: Chuck Tedesco
Subject: Re: Rolfing (long reply)
I last week completed the 9th of 10 rolfing sessions. The results so
far have been not only a physical restructuring/rebirth but a spiritual
and emotional cleansing and release that has greatly increased the
quality of my meditation and an awakening of sorts that is hard to
describe. I joined this list to learn more about kundalini and gain
further understanding about my self and what is being stirred in me,
particularly during meditation---I experience a tingling and
light-headedness and a sense of hard substance being exploded in the
heart and top of the brain. I also have experienced swings between very
light and beautiful energy and then times of feeling big-time dark
energy--a growling, rumbling, nameless rage. I think this has to do
with not only the pain energy released (brought up but not completely
released by the body) but by a sense of anger over things I have not
been dealing with effectively.
Structurally, I feel like a different person. I am more centered.
Posture is much better. And people have been commenting on how positive
my energy has been since around the 5th session.
Some caveats: There is a wide variety of "philosophy of Rolfing"
amongst Rolfers when it comes to "the necessity of pain" during
treatment. While I have handled quite a bit of pain during several of
the sessions, a couple of which have taken a few days to get back to
normal energy/mood-wise, my sense is that it has been well worth that
price. Some Rolfers (it seems those trained earlier tend to) inflict
more pain and others back off sooner. My suggestion is to find a Rolfer
who takes the time to explain what they do and who is not too gung-ho
about "the necessity of bruising" AND someone who suggests some
exercises between sessions. Aston Repatterning has been incorporated
into what the Rolfer has me do between sessions--very helpful.
Any other questions, feel free.
--
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18 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: Monday morning gita verse
"Humililty; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity;
approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness;
steadiness; self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense
- gratification; absence of false ego; the perception of the evil
of birth, death, old age and disease; detachment; freedom from
entanglement with children, wife, home and the rest; even-
mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and
unalloyed devotion to the (Supreme Personality of God); aspiring
to live in a solitary place; detachment from the general mass of
people; accepting the importance of self-realization; and
philosophical search for the Absolute Truth - all these I declare
to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is
ignorance."
- Bhagavad-gita as it is 13.6-7
O.O.A.S.I.S./P.O.BOX 8693/MET.,LA. 70011
504-459-2892/1-800-752-9046
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"The person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady
in both is certainly eligible for liberation."
Bhagavad gita as it is 2.15
***************************
On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Dorman, Robert wrote:
> >Come on Bob, tell us what you really think. :^) Royale
> >
> >
> OK. It was previously written:
>
>
> To clarify, I question the "authority" of the unnamed source that claims
> "celibacy is recommended...." Who says so? A bunch of un-sourced platitudes
> are given. "In the Lord's abode, He is..."-- how does the writer know this?
> And why the patrarchical HE? How does the writer know it isn't a SHE or an
> IT? "We cannot aproach Him with any sex." OH REALLY! Sorry, I don't buy
> that. Sex is, IMO, a sacred, creative act that has several functions or
> purposes: 1) Procreation, 2) Regeneration, 3)Spiritualization.
>
> --Bob
> A truly wise man will not be carried away by any of the eight winds:
> prosperity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering and
> pleasure. He is neither elated by prosperity nor grieved by decline.
> ---Nichiren Daishonin
>
>
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19 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: winds of change
My dear listies,
I have been guided to direct my energies toward a different direction, so I
am unsubbing now.
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Before I go, I want to thank you Richard for creating this open forum for all
of us to share together. I have grown tremendously through the experience.
I also want to thank those of you on the list for all the love, compassion,
and support that you have given me, and I also thank you for giving that away
to others who needed it on the list as well.
I even thank you for the differences of opinion, and the emotion that has
been generated by the list. That has been part of my growth the past couple
of months; to learn to remain centered and balanced in the midst of choas.
What a great learning tool this list has been!
I would also like to invite those of you who would like to continue a loving,
personal dialogue to copy down my email address, and use it! ;)
May all your highest dreams come true!! Love to all, Barb ATNOSPAM--}}--}}--
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20 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: FlarityjATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Flames and the active heart chakra
I have just read "Energies of Transformation" by Bonnie Greenwell. She does
an excellent job recapping all the current methods to incorporate an active
Kundalini. Several yogis in this book (and Depak Chopra, who is not
mentioned) give an extraordinary power to the open heart chakra which most
other schools do not describe.
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The active heart chakra has the capacity to take any energy (even negative)
and transform it into more usable forms. The energy delivered to you by an
attacker at their great personal effort is actually a gift to the person with
an open heart chakra. I believe I am doing this now, but just could not
articulate it as well as Bonnie did in the book.
Another benefit of concentrating on opening and empowering the heart chakra:
it has the capacity to move energy amoung the other chakras according to
their need. For this reason, the aforementioned yogis have termed it the
'King' of the chakras. It will activate the internal kundalini forces in a
controlled fashion that avoids the trauma that most of the famous yogis
endured. This is important if you have others depending on you for support.
The heart chakra can do this because its tremedous capacity for love and
compassion will not allow anyone (including yourself) to be injured.
Although these yogis are in the minority, I believe their way is valid and
appropriate for my circumstances and that is where I will be.
I recommend to others who are feeling sensitivity from attacks--look closely
at the state of your heart.
Love,
Joe
21 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: BlueSky876ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: What's Qi?
In a message dated 96-10-20 22:32:28 EDT, you write:
< I would like to say that Qi, Ch'i, and prana are more or less the
>same thing. >>
I rwealize that the above is all related, the question that I want to be
answered is this.......Can one meditate beyond the Qi? Know one has been able
to answer the question, I will have to seek at a higher level..........
Kathleen
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22 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: [[[[[Reiki -- Weekend
Dear Kundalinini List Members:
This is one of several posts I am dumping on the list because a
'weekend of confusions' has left me with so many questions that would
appear to have disparate answers.
My trip to Wisconsin included visiting with a sister-in-law who has
many unresolved internal issues - she has done much seeking in various
areas of spirituality. One of these has been Reiki. I sensed that she
was jealous of my spontaneous K-awakening, but also very desirous of
any spiritual guidance I could give her. She has spent thousands
studying this and specifically asked if I had an insight into it. I
told her that the 'insight' part of my awakening was so new that I had
no 'control' over it and anything that I ever got was spontaneous and
not asked for. I lied a bit here because I did get powerful images
about this and am terribly conflicted about what to do about them as I
had never even heard of Reiki until I was told about her studying it.
The image I got was of an ancient and honored healing art that was
being shilled for profit. I specifically got images of her 'Master'. I
saw her not as a charlatan, but one part of a bigger organization that
was denigrating Reiki. One that had also spent a great deal of money
'learning' gradated machinations that have no more effect than 'healing
touch' that is taught by many for free and in a few moments. The image
I got of Reiki is that it is a science that takes years of devotion and
dedication rather that dozens of checks to learn to practice. I,
however, don't know this personally, only psychically and therefore
have not told her - reactions? Also, she asked if she should submit to
hypnotherapy/age-regression/past-lives-work by this woman. I got
immediately bad impressions of this woman projecting her
interpretations onto my sister-in-law with disasterous psychological
effects. Again, I didn't pass this on as I don't know the woman - but,
I did say to be very careful of any type of involvement concerning
these areas. Am I whoosing-out? Should I have spilled the beans and
added a disclaimer? Was I given important info and am withholding it
because of my self-doubt? Am I projecting my disbelief in mystical/
spiritual things? Yes, this is my conflict - any help? -) DAN-RF
23 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: [[[[[Energy -- Weekend
Dear Kundalinini List Members:
This is one of several posts I am dumping on the list because a
'weekend of confusions' has left me with so many questions that would
appear to have disparate answers.
As I was saying goodbye to my mother, I gave her a long hug and
visualized passing strength to her frail body. As I let her go, there
were tears in her eyes and she said, "Were you giving me strength?" I
replied, "As best as I know how." And she asked, "Could you give me
some more?" I was happy that she was able to sense my intentions and
hugged her once more and put all of my mental effort into passing her
strength. She suddenly pushed me away forcefully crying and said, "I
can't take any more." She seemed to be OK, but I am worried. I don't
know what I am doing and was only reacting instinctively and with love.
Is it possible to cause damage or harm in this way? Also, when I find
myself spontaneously meditating undirectedly, I try to channel
'positive' energy from myself to her. Is that a good thing, can that be
of help to someone? There isn't much else I can think of to do - I told
her that is my way of 'praying' for her. DAN-RF
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24 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: [[[[[Affection -- Weekend
Dear Kundalinini List Members:
This is one of several posts I am dumping on the list because a
'weekend of confusions' has left me with so many questions that would
appear to have disparate answers.
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Earler in the day, my mother told me that she knew that she was
burdensome to dad because of her weakened condition - she demands that
he not leave her alone for more than a few hours at a time. She said
that she was sure he still loved her, but regretted that he was unable
to be more verbally demonstrative of it (all women have said that at
some time about the men in their lives and yet, who is it that trains
them 'don't cry', 'be a man', etc.). That evening, when my father had
returned, he asked me if I wanted anything to drink as we sat around
the dining room table, and suggested a soda since he knew that I don't
drink alcohol. Something made me say, what else do you have that is
stronger. He suggested a few things and I said, "blackberry brandy
sounds good." He poured one for me and one for himself. The
conversation continued and I refilled our glasses several times. Then
my dad changed the talk to how I had met my wife. Seemed odd, but I
went with it and then he started talking about how he met mom. Then he
told us about how, on the 10-mile country drive home, after his last
date with mom the night before their wedding he was so happy that he
blew the car horn all the way home! My mom's eyes just got bigger and
bigger as he related this story and filled with tears. He had NEVER in
55 years of marriage told her this - and she had her answer; yes, he
loved her, always had, and always will. Strange how things turn out
perfectly - happily and sadly, too.