kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 172
1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: That was a home run!
>
> He stayed there for twenty days; then he
> saw
> the power of the devil coming towards him: it appeared to him like an
> Ethiopian woman smelling so vile that he could not bear it. So he drove
> her away, and she said to him, 'I usually seem to be pleasant to the
> hearts
> of men, but because of your obedience and your labour, God has not let
> you be deceived and he has revealed my bad smell to you.' So rising up
> and giving thanks to God he returned to his father and said, 'I no
> longer
> wish to go back to the world, abba, for I have seen its power and its
> bad
> smell.' Now what had happened had been revealed to his father, and he
> said to him, 'If you had remained forty days and kept my commandments
> you would have seen a greater vision.'
------------
Reminds me of peoples attitude towards sex and spirituality.
Many people are so caught up in the ^sex doesn^t go with spirituality^
theme which has been ^taught^ to them, that they won^t stick around
long enough to ^see^ the greater vision.
...How^s that Dave?
--
CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu
2 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Question: Polarization
Subject: Re: Question: Polarization
To: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Hi Gloria,
Thank you for your very thoughtful reply to my post about
duality. Yes, I am becoming aware of the duality in everything, as well
as the Primal Split (Yin&Yang) aspect that seems, on the surface,
to contradict Unity, when actually it enhances it. It is a wonderful
challenge to try to stay balanced with the 3 elements. We have to call
on our heart/power 3rd chakra a lot.
When I first started to understand the profound Split, and how it
related to my own past mental illness episodes (which, I believe now,
were spiritual emergencies) and to all mental illness, I started having
these spontaneous visualizations of a 3 pointed pyramid. Apparently,
visualizing geometric forms increases our ability to intuit! I was
surprised when I read this in a book about increasing our intuition when
I had no idea why I was doing it. It strengths the right side of our
brain so that we can cognitively integrate our linear side with our
creative side.
LN>In metaphyics there are clearly two points of realization called
>duality. You are aware of both parts which is an important stage of the
>journey. While you have gone into the psychology of it, and seem to have
>a good understanding on that level, why don't you now also look into the
>spiritual aspect of it.
-
I am trying to approach it on a spiritual level first, and a
psychological level second. Since I have been diagnosed in the past
with a "mental illness" I like to try to find a synthesis between the
two fields of thought. The spiritual approach is of course, my major
area of concentration, but I am in need of improving my cognitive
abilities by education on psychology. Having a mental illness damages
your cognitive abilities, but they can be improved.
BTW, it was my understanding that mystical principle stands upon 3
building blocks, not 2. (1)The need for meaning in life (translate
that to Desire for Christ consciousness), (2) Devlopment of
self-observance and thus enhancement of awareness which leads to
evolution of consciousness, and (3) the effect of motivation on
consciousness. The path always begins with Desire, as you well know.
Pleae correct me if I'm wrong. I am just starting out with this as you
know, and so I tend to approach it from a psychological viewpoint. I
have to, also, because my job entails teaching cognitive skills to
brain trauma injury patients. You can't just throw the "eccentric"
spiritual jargon at them, or at any "regular" person for that matter.
The approach as to begin with psychological skills, IMO.
I will call you soon. I don't have a cordless phone and so when I
make calls, I am stuck to my desk while my daughter is hollering for
attention and my Cocker Spaniel puppy is destroying the house. It's
easier for my time management right now to stay off the phone.
Your comments are greatly appreciated. I have been forwarding them
to someone I met who just came here from California and who feels drawn
to awakening, as he has been in martial arts for 15 years and is a
computer programmer (how is that for a powerful possibility of
mind/body connection?) I'm trying to help him out. The more I can
explain the duality concept to him, the faster I think he will
progress. He definitely is ripe and ready for the next step.
Talk soon.
Walk in the Light with awareness of the heart chakra always,
Melody
* 1st 2.00 #7384 * Fill our emptiness not through our mate, but thru Spirit.
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3 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Question: Polarization
Subject: Re: Question: Polarization
Holly,
- Thank you very much for your reply to my question on polarization.
That is so TRUE - maturity means the ability to tolerate ambiguity!
HT>child. And then even as human healing of this split occurs, we move
>into cosmic resolution of duality as well. The psychoanalytic theory
>from which the notion of splitting comes says that maturity means the
>ability to tolerate ambiguity.
Thank you and in service to Unity and the Light,
Melody
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* 1st 2.00 #7384 * It is by transpersonal intuition that we can evolve.
4 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Question: Polarization
Subject: Re: Question: Polarization
-
Hi Mark, thanks for the feedback. You said, (in part),
M1>I think it is important to remember that all duality is an illusion.
>There is only the oneness of all things
Mark, this is a hard concept to grasp cognitively, that all
duality is an illusion. But I have read some on Buddhism and it seems
that is what they teach in this religion. Do you know of any quantum
physics theory that would back this up? Are you saying that the symbol
of duality - Yin&Yang - is an illusionary symbol?
I don't have time, nor access to a Guru, unfortunately. Gloria
here and the others are my "gurus" for the time being.
I am still having a hard time with this kundalini thing. But the
chakra stuff is easy for me to comprehend.
Thanks,
Melody - in surrender to Unconditional Love & Light
-
* 1st 2.00 #7384 * Next time you're down on your knees, why not stay there?
5 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: Paco
Subject: re: side effects
I've been reading all the posts tonight since I
just got back from San Diego...it really is all very
substantial, makes me feel very good somehow to read
what people are writing, makes me feel very free.
I have had some questions regarding energy force
"fields" and Kundalini's effect on them in the past...
and still do; I think that Kundalini "charges" the
overall system quite a bit...and there are other aspects too...
I will mention this: I have heard that energy, inner energy,
is stored in the bones. It can accumulate there, and even
remain after death. If you break a bone, you severely disrupt
your energy field, as the energy flows through the bones.
Wow, this list really makes me think...
Oh yeah, wanted to say, that nobody says you have to
be some kind of saint or priest or something...
( just putting things in perspective)
Anyways, later
---Paco
"you can't kill rock and roll" [ Ozzy Osborne ]
6 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96
From: Richard Satin
Subject: El Collie
Dear Listmembers,
Some of you may know El Collie, who is the editor of Shared Transformation.
She has been very ill lately. A member forwarded the following.
Richard
------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------
>From: CKRESSATNOSPAMaol.com
>
>Dear ,
>
>Thanks for your message. We appreciate your concern and we are deeply
>thankful for all the prayers for El's recovery. She has improved somewhat
>but is still very sick. While we keep hoping for a rapid recovery, it can
>take months for the body to heal from the damage she has experienced.
->
>Again, we thank all who have sent us kind wishes and healing energies.
>
>Love,
>C. Kress and El Collie
>
--
People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine
when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true
beauty is revealed only if there is light from within.
Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
7 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: Jim Cook
Subject: Words From: Dylan Thomas
DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT
- By Dylan Thomas
Do not go gentle into that good night
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
because their words had forked no lightning they
do not go gentle into that good night.
-
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright their frail deeds
might have danced in a green bay.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, and learn too late,
they grieved it on it's way,
Do not go gently into that good night
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight.
- Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay.
Rage,rage against the dying of the light.
And you my father, there on the curse sad height.
Bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray,
Do not go gentle into that good night
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Dylan Thomas died at the age of 39
1914 - 1953
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8 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: Mark Rivera
Subject: Re: Question: Polarization
I think when you look at the yin/yang circle you have to remember that
these two pieces are essentially a part of the whole circle. Just like men
and women, biologically we are different, yet despite our differences,
when a couple is united they become a unit on to themselves. Haven't you
ever seen a married couple or two lovers or even friends that click so
well that they are a personaility together on to themselves? I think it's
important to remember that like poetry, it's important to look beyond the
signs and portents so we can see or interpret what is right for ourselves,
not take everything atface value. We are all yin/yang in every sense I can
think of. As for quantum theory, I can't find an exact scientific quote,
so I am writing something from a book called "Hyperspace" By Dr. Michio
Kaku, it is a book all about quantum physics. I believe the answer lies in
"Superstring Theory" to quote, "Einstein often asked himself whether God
had any choice in creating the universe. According to superstring
theorists, once we demand a universe of quantum theory and general
relativity, God had no choice. Self-consistency alone, they claim, must
have forced God to create the universe as he did." (Kaku 177)
Hope this is somewhat helpful to you.
Mark
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9 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: Royale Jills
Subject: Re: year of snake
To know what year of..you were born check in at a book store look under
Chinese or Asian astrology, browse the table of contents, look under
years of and check out your birth date. Usually the new yr for them
begins around Feb or March I think. Or see library. Id appreciate it
and you can get some new insights into your character. Thanks loads.
Royale
10 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: Royale Jills
Subject: [Fwd: Re: yr. of birth]
Royale,
According to:
http://users.deltanet.com/~wcassidy/astro/zodiac.html
I'm a "Water Snake" born Jan 20, 54.
I found a description of "snake" people at:
http://found.cs.nyu.edu/liaos/snake.html
I grew up in Florida and _really_ like snakes! Never had one for a pet
though...didn't want to crimp their style.
Just a wild guess...are you a Fire Snake? Is there a particular snake
qualities you're interested in?
-Tim
--- On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:11:55 +0000 Royale Jills wrote:
>I want to test an idea. If any of you could tell me if you were born
>during the year of the snake, id appredciate it. (chinese astrology).
>Royale
.-
11 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: Royale Jills
Subject: Thanks for posts All
To All who answered my post re snakes. By l0 AM on Mon. Ive gathered
in a total of 8 snakes. Thanks to all! Ill be waiting for more then
give out my results. love Royale
12 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini... Quote
While researching a paper I came across a quote that might be of interest...
"Ancient Indian Traditions, more than 5,000 years old, speak of a universal
life energy called prana that flows in relation to the spine and activates
the life force, or kundalini. This breathe of life moves through all living
forms and can be enhanced by breathing techniques, meditative practices, and
the specific techniques called yoga. The Chinese called this basic life
energy ch'i, which exemplified balance in a healthy person. An imbalance of
this energy force could result in physical illness. In the Kabbalah of
Jewish mysticism this energy was called astral light." (Hover- Kramer, 1996)
Now, before anyone says anything about opinions or perspectives, this is just
one view and I wanted to share it because I think it can relate to some of
the many things we have discussed here. If it helps one person understand
better what is happening then it has served it's purpose for me. Thanks!
Cited from:
Hover- Kramer, Dorthea, HEALING TOUCH: A RESOURCE FOR HEALTH CARE
- PROFESSIONAL. Delmar Publications, Albany: 1996.
13 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Question: Polarization
Melody Gavigan wrote:
>
>
> To: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
>
> Hi Gloria,
> Thank you for your very thoughtful reply to my post about
> duality. Yes, I am becoming aware of the duality in everything, as well
> as the Primal Split (Yin&Yang) aspect that seems, on the surface,
> to contradict Unity, when actually it enhances it. It is a wonderful
> challenge to try to stay balanced with the 3 elements. We have to call
> on our heart/power 3rd chakra a lot.
>
> When I first started to understand the profound Split, and how it
> related to my own past mental illness episodes (which, I believe now,
> were spiritual emergencies) and to all mental illness, I started having
> these spontaneous visualizations of a 3 pointed pyramid. Apparently,
> visualizing geometric forms increases our ability to intuit! I was
> surprised when I read this in a book about increasing our intuition when
> I had no idea why I was doing it. It strengths the right side of our
> brain so that we can cognitively integrate our linear side with our
> creative side.
>
> LN>In metaphyics there are clearly two points of realization called
> >duality. You are aware of both parts which is an important stage of the
> >journey. While you have gone into the psychology of it, and seem to have
> >a good understanding on that level, why don't you now also look into the
> >spiritual aspect of it.
>
> I am trying to approach it on a spiritual level first, and a
> psychological level second. Since I have been diagnosed in the past
> with a "mental illness" I like to try to find a synthesis between the
> two fields of thought. The spiritual approach is of course, my major
> area of concentration, but I am in need of improving my cognitive
> abilities by education on psychology. Having a mental illness damages
> your cognitive abilities, but they can be improved.
Melody,
Did you get your job? And you didn't mention if you got my post on a
possible part time job? I didn't know if you needed more then what you
have, so I wanted to send it on to you.
I don't mind you sending it on to him, in fact give him my e-mail if he
is moved to write to me he can.
Really it sounds to me like you have a fairly good grasp on things, and
from what I've seen of you on line you've been in pretty good balance.
What throws you off? Do you have some warning when your off balance or
are you suddenly there? The shadow is sneaky, and it really does try to
keep one under control, but you just have to walk to straight and
narrow, in fact it because as narrow as a razor edge but it can be done.
God Bless Gloria
>
>
14 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Alcoholism
This is a reply to the person who wrote about needing help for alcoholism.
-
You really need the help of someone who is knowledgeable in this area. If
you look in the phone book under Alcoholism you will probably find AA listed.
If not, there should be some kind of Alcohol related services.
Addiction is difficult to deal with. ALcoholism is a genetic fault in the
body, but if an alcoholic dies and is earthbound, which they often are if
they do not address their addiction while living, they will hang around other
family members who have the gene, and so experience the effects of the
alcohol vicariously through them. This is something that many psychics can
see .
This means that you need the support of others to quit. This is very
important. There is no-one better suited, than a person who has already gone
through the process. The AA program is geared to this, and it also at the
same time, encourages a spiritual approach which you wish to return to, if I
understand your post.
In the meantime, alcohol alters sugar metabolism in the body. So if you are
trying to quit, you will may need sugar as a substitute at first. It is a
joke in AA at how much coke, coffee(for the caffeine), and cake etc is
consumed by them. But it does serve a purpose until you can overcome it.
One of the first things you learn is that you cannot control alcohol on your
own, you need a higher power to do so.
If you cannot find AA in your locality, the world center is Box 459,Grand
Central Station, New York, NY 10163, U.S.A
Send a letter and they will reply promptly.
-
15 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: broken bones
Paco:
As one who broke her leg in 2 places last year, I can definetly testify that
much information is stored in the bones.
I dreamed 3 times before it happened that I would break my leg.
Unfortunately the method wasn't given. But to answer the other post about
warnings, in this case I was warned, but I was also meant to go through the
experience.
Even the timing/place of the accident was very symbolical.
So for about 10 weeks I could not walk and was totally sidelined. But as I
understood the experience, I accessed my own bone marrow by breaking my leg.
It was the right leg, which was necessary to reach my masculine self. Also
as the bone marrow is involved in immune system transplants, it was somehow
necessary so I could access the material stored in my bone marrow that was
preventing the final healing of my immune system.
Well drastic as it was, apparently the method worked, because I am well
today, and I spent 10 weeks last year on an incredible journey which even by
"K" standards was intense. I learned more in that 10 weeks than I could have
in a year ordinarily.
-
It was peculiar, because on the outside I was to be pitied, and on the
inside, It was a very different view of things.
Love Jule
16 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: Natasha Avon
Subject: Alcoholism
Hi - I'm new to this list, but I just wanted to put in my two cents regarding
alcoholism.
I have been sober since February of this year. While I didn't use the
services of AA, I was lucky enough to have a small but supportive
network of friends around me who would remind me that I didn't need the
eight or so beers I was consuming each night. These friends started me
on the spiritual path I am currently following and have reminded me time
and again that I am worthwhile - even more so when I have control of my
faculties. I decided I would rather be in control (sounds a bit like the ego
speaking, but in my particular case I think the ego knew best).
I can identify with the sugar cravings, the Dts and especially the
dehydration that came with excessive drinking and sudden withdrawal.
However, I'm glad I did it. I'm not sure who I'm replying to - but you'll be
glad as well. Booze throws up a roadblock to any form of
awareness/enlightenment, not to mention making one appear as though
he/she has an I.Q. of 2.
-
I encourage you in your effort to give up the sauce. You'll be better off in
this world and the next. Good luck.
Blessed be
Tasha
"Blades on the Water"
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17 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: Sayings of the Desert Fathers
davelong wrote:
>
> [The Sayings of the Desert Fathers are from the 4th Century A.D.
> Scetis was a hermit community in Egypt.]
I take it this hermit community had no women amongst them!!!
Strange how people label "evil" or 'demonic' that which they avoid for
highly personal reasons. King Solomon wrote his love songs to his God in
sensual, sexual language, as did Rumi and El Arabi. All three are
revered as true holy men! They were trying to reveal a metaphoric truth.
How does the desert story relate to sexuality? Sounds to me that is may
be talking about another phenomena that related to Kundalini release
called something like Dark Night of the Soul.
Speaking of which - I went through it and it lasted a heck of a lot
longer that a night and totally unlike anything in 'normal' reality !!!
Anyone out there bin there, done that too?
jan
18 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: RONALD PANIAGUA
Subject: so havely sensual
Beloved Jan,
have you some of the text (vers) of these havely sensual, sexual
songs from King Salomon. - Here I am out there. To come back tomorrow
going into kundaslini-meditation now.
May all of you stay in the LOVE of the Univers
and feel ONE!
Light and Peace!
Antaris Ra Melchizedek
limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py
19 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996
From: "Dee Wartenberg"
Subject: Re: year of snake
Hey, I appreciate that this topic may be of interest to the person
who posted, as well as the relevant results may be of interest. But
do I have to read Everyone's reply to this question? Can't we just
email back personnally? My mail box is ever growing and it gets to
be a chore to read it all, yet I really don't want to give up my
membership to this list.
thanks, hope this makes sense to everyone. Is there any reason that
folks wouldn't want some one to email them personally rather than
publically?
dee
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20 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: davelong
Subject: Kundalini 101
[From The Bhagavad Gita, III:36-43]
Arguna:
Krishna, what is it that makes a man do evil, even
against his own will; under compulsion, as it were?
Krishna:
The rajo-guna has two faces,
Rage and lust; the ravenous, the deadly:
Recognize these: they are your enemies.
Smoke hides fire,
Dust hides a mirror,
The womb hides the embryo:
By lust the Atman is hidden.
Lust hides the Atman it its hungry flames,
The wise man's faithful foe.
Intellect, senses and mind
Are fuel to its fire:
Thus it deludes
The dweller in the body,
Bewildering his judgment.
-
Therefore, Arjuna, you must first control your
senses, then kill this evil thing which obstructs dis-
criminative knowledge and realization of the Atman.
The senses are said to be higher than the sense-
objects. The mind is said to be higher than the senses. The
intelligent will is higher than the mind. What is
higher than the intelligent will? The Atman itself.
You must know Him who is above the intelligent
will. Get control of the mind through spiritual dis-
crimination. Then destroy your elusive enemy, who
wears the form of lust.
21 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996
From: "Dee Wartenberg"
Subject: Re: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
-
Hello, anyone else see Sahaja in NYC? I was there and it was good.
She did a simple exercise to help people in the audience raise the K.
I don't think I felt it, but it's hard to say.
She spoke of how us American's know so much, yet we are like children
when it comes to taking care of ourselves. She spoke about how
america is the throat, or communication chakra for the world, and
that we have a responsibility to ourselves and to the world to share
this type of knowledge. She mentioned that this is the of last
judgement, and it is our birthright to have this knowledge of the K.
She doesn't charge for any of her teachings.
It was great. Thank you to who ever it was who posted the info. I
took a bus from Pa. to NYC just for this occassion.
dee
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22 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996
From: Mary Knapp
Subject: Rondi and the map
Dear All,
Here's what's happening with Rondi and the map. Those who have
offered to help could contact me for the info.
- If this makes no sense to you - you may not have been around when we
discussed trying to map where everyone on this list was located around the
globe to see what emerged re: patterns, energy points, etc.
Mary
>
>Dear Mary,
>My modem died as I was answering your last, I'm at a friends house now... go
>ahead and do whatever you can with the map, I have a feeling I am not
>supposed to do anything with it, I have either hardware or software problems
>everytime... I'll let you know when I'm back on line, end of week apparently.
>Another thing, would you please tell the k list folks that I am alive and
>well, but off line?
>Thanks
>Love, Light, Rondi