kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 165 

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

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hi,
    as far as easing the pain, i follow a few simple rules, mostly from
chi kung practice that makes the sensations more bearable.

1.  keep the tongue up, this completes the major energy circuit.
2.  eat moderately.  i personally don't eat any meat, or most canned
food any more.  i find the more healthy in general my lifestyle the
better things go.
3.  be careful with emotions.  remember you are purifying yourself, and
also you are more electric now than before.  a little negativity hurt
you before, but subtly, now it really hurts.

4.  lay on the ground, hug trees, drink lots of water.


best wishes

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It was completely fruitless to quarrel with the world, whereas
the quarrel with oneself was occasionally fruitful, and always,
she had to admit, interesting.
May Sarton
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: "Rondi McBoyer" 
Subject: Re: k, my hearing aids & my pager

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> .  In the past I've had the not uncommon experience of blowing 
> every lightbulb I turned on within a certain period.  
Hi Holly,
My girlfriend and I were walking in town a few weeks ago, it is a small
town and we were just walking along, giggling and talking, when it occured
to us that every street light we walked under went out until we were past
it, when they came back on.  She is much further down Dan R-F's stream than
I, and said that it was I that was doing it, because she had gone through
that phase, and could now control it more.... sounded wiierd to me, but the
lights seemed to back her up, ... could be the same energy thing... aren't
all energies basically the same?
  Stay in the Light!, love, Rondi> 
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 
From: RONALD PANIAGUA 
Subject: responds to Melody Gavigan from 9/27/96

Beloved Melody,
first donīt please think, that you are not a goofd mother;
thinkings are "THNIGS" and we should be very clear this days, what
we are thinking, because it becomes reality - we are Co-Creators!
Second we are ONE and as ONE starry beeing we are going to this
PORTAL created by us now into the fifth dimension. This will happen
now - these days. High energies are on the earth and therefore many
people are confused. But donīt let  y o u  get confused, be sure
that you are be loved and cared for by the father-mother-GOD herself!
I AM ANTARIS RA MELCHIZEDEK
limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py


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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: women's K experience

lia pas wrote:
> 
> >From: Bee Cotterill            \ Internet:    (aquariusATNOSPAMnetvigator.com.hk)
> >
> >These are questions for female members really. I would like to know if,
> >during my kundalini experience:
> >1. Can I eat meat without dissipating the experience?
> 
> probably. i only eat poultry and fish occasionally but have actually found
> that lately, i've been wanting more of it and have actually eaten a bit of
> pork. this may or may not be realted to teh stronger kundalini sensations
> i've been having recently.
> 
> >2. Can I safely drink small quantities of alcohol?
> 
> dont' know. i've never been able to drink becasue of the lack of a certain
> enzyme in my liver. a sip of wine goes straight to my head.
> 
> >3. Can I drink tea?
> 
> it doesn't seem to cause problems with me.
> 
> >4. Does fondling and caressing or an orgasm without sex awaken the kundalini
> >more?
> 
> i think that any orgasm, with or without sex, will awken the K more.
> 
> >5. Is it safe to have sex when the kundalini is gradually simmering?
> 
> i don't know if it is safe, but it is very fun :))
> 
> >6. Can acupuncture clear the meridians for the kundalini?
> 
> i've had very little acupucture done on myself so i'm not sure. i mentioend
> on an earlier post that the chinese meridians are different from the yogic
> nadis so this could b beneficial or harmful. i think it probably wouldn't
> hurt if it was done by a knowledgeable practitioner.
> 
> >7. Is chiropractic work on the spine useful?
> 
> very, if you have a good DC. network chiropractic is especially helpful.
> 
> >8. Why do I like the half-lotus position during meditation when I disliked
> >it before?
> 
> i've had the same experience. try bhadakonasana (like half lotus, but soles
> of feet together). you may find you enjoy that position even more.
> 
> >9. Why does my perfume spray smell so different than it should, potent and
> >musky?
> 
> your body smell has probably changed as well.
> 
> >10. I have not had a period for 4 months after  my kundalini started
> >simmering. Is this usual?
> 
> i've never experienced this so i don't know. this could also change your
> body smell.
> 
> >11. I am now in my 6th month of kundalini awakening and I have had a period
> >twice in one month. Is this normal?
> 
> menstruation is a cleasnsing process of the body. if you haven't had a
> period for 4 months, you probably had more cleaning than usual to do. just
> my guess.
> 
> >12. Are there any foods to avoid eg hot foods like chili?
> 
> don't think so. jsut follow your cravings.
> 
> hope this helps
> 
> lia
Lia, 
I suggest you do a meditation on it and see what specific requirements
your body and soul need at this moment. Some people have very strict
quidelines they live by, in my case I've always been shown it wasn't so
important that which went in my mouth as that which came out. Moderation
is always the keyword in everything of a spiritual nature.
And some foods are probably to heavy and won't agree with you, this is
up to you to find out. 
I have never smoked,used drugs, I drink very little, almost no
alcohol.Plus I don't think much about food, so I don't have a lot of
things coming to me on any of this. If you have desires or thoughts
about food, drink, etc. then it could be different for you. Gloria
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Right side only?

Mary Knapp wrote:
> 
> I have a cold that is only affecting the right side of my head.  How weird.
> But then again, what hasn't been weird since my K started rising?
> 
> Does anyone know a way to balance this out?  Why it might be?  What the heck
> is going on here?  Instant cures?
> 
> It sort of reminds me of the breezes thread, one hand cool, the other not.
> 
> Last month I had strep throat and now this.  I trust the K is cleaning me
> out but I am quite weary of it all just now.  It has been almost a year of
> one weird symptom after another.  First chakra stuff on up. **see addendum
> 
> I have to give a speech tomorrow and want to be well enough to do so.
> Typical antihistmines are having a weird effect on me.  They make me feel
> hyper rather than dull, but I am too sick to make any use of the hyper
> feeling.  It's just there - along with all the other symptoms.
> 
> ** When K started I got involved in a very intense sexual relationship with
> someone I neither liked nor respected.  The sex was the best I'd ever had
> however.  I was fairly healthy otherwise at that time - until I started
> feeling how inappropriate the relationship was and how little integrity I
> was using. End of relationship.  Then it was on to 2nd chakra stuff, etc.
>                 Mary,
>         The Reluctant Earthling

Mary,
There are constant flare ups such as what you talk about within the
awakening process, you have to learn how to communicate with your body
from the inside so that you know what you need to do. I've become quite
adept at this process, you know your purpose on one level in the
awakening is to master yourself, your body, mind, coming in and going
out, which also applies to your spiritual body as well. So, my
suggestion is to meditate, get clear on anything that is out of balance
emotionally, mental thoughts, etc. align with divine will and simply ask
to be shown how to neutralize whatever is coming down. Then y ou will
have the help you need to move through this, don't be surprised if
something else pops up, it just is. Gloria



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: UFO and K (Re: Words)



As long as we are conscious light beings moving through the cosmic
gateways we are going to experience many aspects of life. This means
that we will become aware of life on many dimensions, as well as
planets. Therefore, it is important to learn how to read frequencies and
understand that everything falls into a range of sound and light. Middle
c on the piano for instance can be seen as the zero point where the
frequency is neutral wherever you go up the keyboard takes us into
higher frequencies and going down into the opposite. Each of us live in
a body that is tuned to a pitch, a sound, light, and color. Therefore,
all life in the system is the same. What is important is to learn who
you are, about your key that you vibrate to, etc. When you have entered
divine will and work directly with the Christ frequency you have
clearing to travel through out all the dimensions as a free spirit, but
until then you are restricted. The mystical side of life requires the
same dedication, commitment and focus as it takes to go to the highest
colleges in the land, as a matter of fact it requires more. Because you
must live it every second of the day, and you must reflect it every as
fruit at that same level. What we are talking about here in terms of
kundalini, ufo's, out of body experiences etc. are only very small parts
of the picture. Life is changing because the frequencies we are going to
be exposed to will require that total focus and commitment that I'm
speaking of. What responce comes to you on this? Gloria



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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: Yes Paco

I vote for that Paco. Ive just joined up! Royale



Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: How to control side-effects of K ?

Hi. Im in California. About your post, your symptoms sound very routine.
In other words many people have had them. Some worse. Yes, it is scary
and yes other people may think you are crazy. It happened to me.
 If you fear them, you should stop meditating and doing anything to
trigger the K. response. This may or may not work.
You will be in for a very interesting, informative, and sometimes hair-
raising experience. Also spiritual and sexy.  with love Royale
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
 
Subject: Re: UFO and K 

At 02:16 PM 9/26/96 +0000, Gloria wrote:
>What we are talking about here in terms of
>kundalini, ufo's, out of body experiences etc. are only very small parts
>of the picture. Life is changing because the frequencies we are going to
>be exposed to will require that total focus and commitment that I'm
>speaking of. What responce comes to you on this? 

I agree with you 100% on all counts.  The questions that still remains in my
mind is why are the frequencies we will be exposed to changing (from the
human perspective)?  Why does are awareness need to change at this point in
our history?

My feeling is that we are going through a natural evolutionary change right
now, that under normal circumstance would take centuries to happen.  The
process, in my opinion, is being articifially quickened to prepare us for
*something*.  I have no idea what this something is, but whatever it is will
have consequences on a planetary scale (at least).

UFOs, NDEs, and K (plus many other acronyms) are all paths that will lead us
to the next evolutionary step.  In my opinion, this is why many "new age"
ideas are becoming more mainstream and why more people are experiencing
these things.

I beleive that the numbers of K awakenings, abductions, and NDEs will
continue to grow geometrically until we reach a critical mass point as a
species.  At this point "the 100th monkey effect" will kick in and bring the
rest of the species up to speed.  Those who cannot adapt will die (or have
serious mental problems) and those who can will experinces life in a whole
new way.

I apologize for the length of this post and as always I appreciate any
comments you can give.

In Service to the Light,





Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Sahaja Yoga

Thought some may be interested in my experiences with Sahaja yoga. Like 
many, I noted the 'Other Sites, Sahaja Yoga' link on the Kundalini 
Resource Center home page and followed it. This was followed by prompts 
indicating upcoming U.S. appearances by the founder. I queried a list 
member from Derby, U.K. who indicated that this was not a money-raking 
cult and well worth the time to attend a meeting. With that and the 
positive experience I had had on viewing the online photo of Shri 
Mataji, I and my wife booked a flight to L.A. to attend the appearance 
on September 24 at The Olympic Collection Grand Ballroom. In the room 
there were some Indian trappings: lots of flowers, a large red lacquer 
chair & tables, a diagram of the chakras and nadis, a couple of 
monitors scrolling slides of Shri Mataji accompanied by Indian music. 
The small platform stage was covered by Indian carpets.

A little after 7pm chapter members performed some Indian songs 
accompanied by a hand organ. This reminded me, unfortunately, of the 
Hare Krishna's immensely. The group was enthusiastic and joyous and the 
audience applauded politely when they had finished. This was followed 
by a brief introductory biography of Shri Mataji and background 
material about Sahaja yoga which she founded in 1970 that was presented 
by the local Sahaja Yoga chapter. The room had about 30-50 people in it 
shortly before the program began, and by the time it was under way 
there were approximately 800 people in attendance. Admission was free 
and at no time was any money solicited nor was ANYTHING offered for 
sale: no pictures, literature, souvenirs...nothing.

After the introduction, Shri Mataji was lead from the side of the room 
to the stage. She is 76 years old, moves with some difficulty, is 
relatively short, somewhat plump, and was dressed in a traditional 
white sari. After a drink of Coca-Cola proferred by an attendant, she 
began speaking with an Indian accent. This made it difficult to 
understand some of what she said. She spent a good deal of time 
lambasting gurus that come to America to set up shop and make a buck 
from the masses here seeking enlightenment. She recounted a number of 
stories to elucidate her point that noone pays to become born and it 
would be just as foolish to expect to pay to become enlightened. She 
also said that any guru in India who expected to be paid for his 
services would be simply laughed at as a fool and then ignored by any 
and all with intelligence. After touching on some more anatomical 
points about the 'subtle system' she stated that she was ready to give 
the beginnings of realization to everyone in the room willing and ready 
to receive it. She asked everyone to remove their shoes and to sit 
comfortably with their palms towards her open on their lap and she did 
the same facing the audience. She briefly closed her eyes and that was 
it. There was no flash of insight, light, or thunderclap. There was no 
rush, no gasp, not the slightest start. She smiled and asked us to feel 
the space above our heads for a sensation like a breeze - this is 
covered in detail on the Sahaja Yoga Page. What is interesting is that 
when asked, every person in the room affirmed that they were able to 
perceive this phenomenon. There was not one dissenter there - despite 
my earlier misgivings, I, too, was able to sense this. I don't know 
what I expected, but I was somewhat disappointed. Shri Mataji is a 
charismatic speaker, with a delightful sense of humor and an extremely 
infectious smile. But the 'awakening' was anticlimactical owing to my 
expectations. She then told us that with the single thread that now 
connected each of us to our crown chakra we could increase the size and 
strength of it until full realization was achieved. She giggled and 
said you don't have to stand on your head, you don't have to do 
anything but meditate regularly and as simply as this. Sit quietly with 
your hands resting open with the palms up, look at my picture if you 
like (everyone was given one free on leaving) and turn your attention 
to the crown of your head for as long as is comfortable. That was all. 
As I said, I was somewhat disappointed and left with a warm feeling and 
that was all. However, when we got outside in the air, I became aware 
that I was in my spontaneous meditative state. Karen recognized it as I 
had just gone through a strong bout of spontaneously rising Kundalini 
on September 22 - it was excruciatingly pleasurable for me, is always a 
concern for Karen as I think she feels the outward kriya resemble a 
seizure or incipient heart attack. She asked me, "Am I going to be able 
to get any sleep tonight or am I going to lay awake listening to you?" 
I told her I didn't know how strong this bout was going to be, but it 
was indeed coming on again. We got back to the motel room and I noted 
that the rising energy was not surging like the surf at the ocean as it 
had in the past. Instead, it had slowly risen to a precise (yes, 
intense) level and was staying there. Rather than a ramrod pistoning 
effect, it felt controlled, even, and directed. It was like it was 
passing through a precision bore that was regulating its flow. After 
about an hour (from the time we left the lecture), it subsided smoothly 
and allowed me (and a happy Karen) to get a good night's sleep. This is 
only the 27th, but I have been doing this simple childlike meditation 
and the same effect has been happening. I don't know where this is 
going, but will keep all informed as to its progress. I have noted that 
I seem to be doing more in the way of spontaneous mudras, and I am 
doing patterned breathing while I sleep, but nothing else is unusual.

Love & LAUGHING LIGHT =-)
DAN-RF



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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: D M England 
Subject: Re: Sexual post

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I first read about this in an interview on Sting.  He and his wife 
practice Tantra Yoga.  You have hit on the problem I saw with this 
point of view (withholding ejaculation).  He implied that sex was 
just for the female.  I thought what an attitude.  I  would not want 
a man to hold back.  It would make me wonder if he had really enjoyed 
himself.  
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I have never understood how withholding ejaculation could be hellp 
circulate energy.  Since I also know that the semen is just lost out 
the bladder.  

The idea that one must take vitamins to replace what is lost just 
doesn't seem right to me.  We were made for sexual activity.  Any 
energy expenditures due to the making of semen or maturing of eggs
is something which we were made to do naturally.  These things are 
natural processes.  We should not experience any problems in that 
which we were made for.  Any creature which  follows the path which 
nature made for it will not suffer from following that path.
Diane



Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs" 
Subject: Re: Sexual post

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, D M England wrote:

> 
> I first read about this in an interview on Sting.  He and his wife 
> practice Tantra Yoga.  You have hit on the problem I saw with this 
> point of view (withholding ejaculation).  He implied that sex was 
> just for the female.  I thought what an attitude.  I  would not want 
> a man to hold back.  It would make me wonder if he had really enjoyed 
> himself.  
> 
> I have never understood how withholding ejaculation could be hellp 
> circulate energy.  Since I also know that the semen is just lost out 
> the bladder.  
 
 
I did this type of thing for a while, as one of my instructors suggested 
that I do it to store my energy. It is not as hard to do as you would 
think, and it does put a different emphasis on the sexual act. The mind 
set had to be set that I would "store the energy" versus releasing it.
 
My wife enjoyed it from her selfishside, in that you can go literally for 
hours because there is no end for the man, because he is waiting until 
the woman has had enough. This causes a situation in that the man has not 
concluded the act and is still fully energized to do whatever he wants to do.
 
During this period my energy was very high, and you definately get a 
feeling of power, in that you are controlling something that you know not 
many men could or would do.The other thing is that since you are storing 
the energy, you have the ability to do the act as many times a day as the 
female wants, as you are "storing the energy" and therefore don't have 
the usual down time.
 
Also by circulating the energy, and not releasing it, it can cause you to 
be irratible and tense. This is why the fighters of old would store their 
energy before a fight, to get that "eye of the tiger". I also believe 
this is one way kings of old could satisfy many wives, because they 
"stored the energy" and could perform at anytime.
 
It is a good training tool for discipline and confidence, when you can 
control your body like that, but I stopped doing it, based on realizing 
that I would probably get back what I put out anyway. It was a great 
learning experience and it does have it's merits but........
 
 
Respectfully
 
Al Perhacs



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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: RONALD PANIAGUA 
Subject: response

Beloved Steven, and all others!
The *something* for which we are preparing is our ascencion into
the fifth dimension, therefore we are developing our light-body
and a part of the development we  f e e l is a greater sexual-
activity, our kundalini is rasising and reaching up to our vast starry
beeing. We found us again as those starry beeings. And as such,
donīt letīs talk about UFOATNOSPAMs anymore, name them  r i g h t :
lightships!
They are no longer Unkown. We ARE now i contact with our space-
brothers and sisters.
All of you who understand german learn more about this on my homepage
http://www.proforma.de/limite
Love and Loght for you
ANTARIS RA MELCHIZEDEK
limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py
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Date: 27 Sep 96 15:
From: "VSRINIVA.US.ORACLE.COM" 
Subject: Unidentified subject!

I am called Vasan aged 28 
My Kundali experience started when i was 20. 
My experiences are many which i would like to give out in due course. 
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Its nice getting into an association which speaks something 
revolutionary. 
 
My understanding is.. 
      The Association gives one the right environment 
          The Environment gives one the needed detatchment 
             The detatchment gives one the needed determination 
                The determination gives one an unperturbed mind 
-                   Such a mind leads one to ultimate goals. 
 
 
 
 
Vasan 



Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: sex and k?

Well here's my first message on these subjects...

what exactly is it about k that increases the sex drive, or is that just
part of its nature?

I've read lots on these subjects, and havent seen anything definitive,
probably because sex overall is such a taboo subject.
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I just wondered what to do about it, I mean, as a single, non-involved man,
it can get rather annoying, and wondered if there were methods of working
with this to make it more bearable rather than having my sex drive running
at near 100% all the time with little or no outlet for the energy.

yes, i induce the energy upwards or whatever, and it flows, and whatnot,
but theres always too much to handle, when the k strikes, its like opening
the flood-gates.

oh well, thought i'd start on this subject from a general approach.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...




Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: k, my hearing aids & my pager
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Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> 
> Has anyone a clue of what is going on here?!
> 
> Holly

Hi

No, Holly, I don't know, but I have an idea it has to with either a 
stronger frequency we are emitting , or more likely, an unstable 
frequency we are emitting.  

Anyway, THANK YOU for writing this.  I have ruined as many as 6 watches 
in a months time, four hemisync machines, a whole network of computers, 
and the list goes on!  I even get lights turning on and off and pennies 
and pens skittering about at times.  I'm just now, after 4 years feeling 
a sense of control over the process, thankfully.  (I often work in a 
computer lab with groups of people and its so embarrasing to have each 
computer I go to seize up until the whole place goes.)   It's good not to 
be alone!!!  

I went to a very very wise friend of mine who knows about this stuff so 
much more than I and begged for help.  "What should I do?" I asked him.  
He replied, "Just don't do it!"  That sounded rather inane, and I said 
so, to which he replied, " if you had to explain to a child how not to 
wet the bed at night in terms of each muscle group etc., would that 
explanation help the child? No.  So, too, with you. Just don't do it any 
more."  You know what?  My incidences of this sort of destruction have 
fallen off significantly - not entirely, but a lot.  
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So, I guess, "Just stop!".  Good luck.  

jan