kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 159
1 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Traditional Values or None?
davelong wrote:
>
> ** Traditional Values Or None? **
>
> Concerning the question of imposing values: Should the majority
> impose its values on the minority?
>
>[snipped]
Dave,
Interesting subject, thought I would add to it. What we are really
discussing here is the difference between thinking and creating and
letting go and creating. Where ever there is a truth based revelation
from God, there is an awareness of leaving go, and consciously
connecting ones will with God's Will. So, it is no longer man trying to
run the show but man looking to the higher source as the Father to do
it. Aleister Crowley's motto and the rule he lived by was: "Do What Thy
Wilt" Which basically means do whatever comes to you, no matter what it
is that there is no law other then do what comes to you to do.
The Truth centered awareness if "Not my will by Thy Will be Done." Which
by the way even black masters recognize as the foundation for spiritual
growth, since they do not want or wish to lessen their power through
letting go, they have to try to get there without doing this. This
usually means some perverted acts, etc. When I did my book Good and
Evil In Our Times, it is amazing what I went into in bringing the book
down. For instance, did you know that Hitler as the second Anti-Christ,
once he realized what his mission was by learning of the sword that
pierced the side of Christ, and that whoever possessed it had the power
over the world for Good or Evil. This is when he knew that it was to be
his and that he would do whatever it took to then make it his. Very
interesting, if anybody is interested in knowing about this let me know.
Gloria
2 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Maurizio Zollo wrote:
>
> I would like to announce to all the US-based list members who are seeking their
> spiritual ascent through kundalini awakening that Shri Mataji Nirmala
> Devi will be travelling the country next week and will deliver two
> public lectures in LA and New York.
> Here is the schedule:
> Los Angeles: Tuesday Sept. 24 at 7:30 p.m. in the Olympic Collection
> Grand Ballroom, 11301 Olympic Blvd (at Sawtelle Blvd. 2 blocks west
> of 405 Fwy), Santa Monica; contact: (310) 832-7137
> New York: Friday, Sept. 27 at 7:30 p.m. in The Auditorioum, 2 West
> 64th st. in Manhattan (corner of Central Park West); contact (914)
> 476-3076
> The lectures, like anything else in sahaja yoga, are completely free
> of charge (there is no money you can pay for your spiritual
> evolution...)
>
> In case you do not know who Shri Mataji is and what sahaja yoga is, I
> would strongly suggest that you point your web browsers to:
> http://www.halcyon.com/sahajnet/SahajaYoga.html
> or simply search for "Sahaja Yoga" with any browser.
> As an alternative, feel free to call the above contacts or me at
> (610) 259-8932.
>
HI,
Thanks for the information, it is nice to see there are people who carry
the message without money attached to it. That is always a sign of true
spirit. Although I have never heard of her I will check out the
homepage. Also check out mine. http://www.inetworld.com/lodpress/
Gloria
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3 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Elephant Fable
Sherry Tapke wrote:
>
> Jan wrote:
> Perhaps we are like that too, seeing only one part of a bigger reality.
> Maybe we should be trying to piece together a larger whole out of our
> shared experiences rather than trying to explain our own.
>
> Sherry here:
> I agree totally. What I find truly amazing about the elephant story is
> that each person had an entirely different experience and an entirely
> different belief of the elephant -- and each one was right. The only way
> we're ever going to really know this elephant is by sharing our
> experiences and beliefs and accepting as truth everyone elses totally
> opposite experiences and beliefs.
> --
> In Service to the Light,
> I AM Sherry
> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/1616
The one thing left to do with the elephant story was to go beyond the
parts to the reality, beyond the illusion is the whole, when we break
free of the illusion, the elephant is both the illusion and the reality.
Gloria
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4 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: good and evil
WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
>
> MY truth on good and evil:
>
> Good people, corporations, groups, etc. - have feelings of love and respect
> TOWARD SELF, and ACT OUT those inner beliefs in their physical world
>
> Evil people, corporations, groups, etc. - have feelings of worthlessness,
> undeservingness, hatred TOWARD SELF, and ACT OUT those inner beliefs in their
> physical world
>
> To change what you perceive as evil in your/our world, send feelings of
> unconditional love, for that is what those people, groups, etc. need the
> most. (Yes, I'm talking murderers, rapists, druggies, mafia, gangs,
> power/control/money greedy corporations, groups, etc. etc., you get the idea)
>
> Am I saying to do nothing but send love? No, absolutely not. But do
> whatever you do to help WITH LOVE. Stay out of the
> fight/struggle/battle/wrong mode as that fuels the fire. Love, when applied
> persistently and consistently melts even the hardest of hearts. And that is
> where transformation can occur - when the old beliefs of self have been
> melted down and replaced with truth, which is unconditional love. THEN, the
> individual or group has new inner beliefs to ACT OUT.
>
> This is also true with parts of yourself that you are not in acceptance of -
> send love to those aspects of self everyday and see what happens!
> TRANSFORMATION....(don't do it just once and expect this miracle -
> consistent persistence. You have years and years of habitually thinking of
> yourself in certain terms; it will take a bit to change the habit)
>
> I promise that if you TRULY send feelings of LOVE to those aspects of self
> that you find unacceptable (and not just go through the motions), you will
> see a huge difference in just 30 days - not that you will be done yet, but
> there will be a big difference in how you feel and act.
>
> Well, thanks for listening. Gotta go get ready for my vacation - leaving
> this afternoon, and still so much to do! Catch up with you all in a week or
> so!
>
> LAUGH, PLAY, HAVE FUN (-:!
>
> LOVE TO ALL, Barb
Nice sharing Barbara, thank you. Have a great vacation and here's a
bushel of unconditional love to take with you. Go with God. Gloria
5 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Re Good and Evil/ & faith
SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
>
> Barb had a very good suggestion, when she said we need to love those negative
> parts of ourselves. Negativities that we want to get rid of, are only parts
> of ourselves, that lack enough love and light at the moment.
>
> In my own journey to wholeness, I found it was often necessary to be my own
> mother and father, and nurture and love all the parts of me that got left
> behind in their development at various parts of my life.Because I came from a
> dysfunctional home, they were numerous.
>
> But I have found that any time I feel unloved at any level of my being, I
> need to go in there and give myself a hug. Often , those unloved parts are
> parts of my body. The body is a living entity and is the vehicle our spirits
> use to get around in this world. If the body feels unloved it will not
> cooperate, and can get downright nasty to get our attention. Illness is one
> way, and selfish thoughts etc are another way. So one of the lessons I had
> to learn is that we are body/soul/spirit, and the body deserves as much
> respect as the rest of me.
>
> Spirit needs to be in control of the vehicle it occupies, but it must do so
> in love, not by being a harsh tyrant. The parable in the Bible about putting
> new wine into new bottles is apt here. Spirit bubbles with newness and
> enthusiasm, but the body often is stuck in old ways of thinking and
> remembering. So we must renew our body through loving it so it wants to
> transform itself into the love it feel from our spirits.
>
> Then when we know our shadow side and have transformed it in love and light,
> we are truly beyond dualities, because the darkness has been flooded with
> light/love and made conscious.
>
> To get rid of darkness, don't switch off the light, instead increase the
> light until the darkness is no more.
>
> Love Jule
Jule what you wrote here is so true, since the body holds memories in
its cells from the present/past and the distanct/past, it is very
important to recognize that one must enter a higher frequency in order
for the dimensional work to become incorporated into the body. The way
to do this is of course, alighment with divine will, raising ones energy
through meditation as a life/long commitment as discipline of the
mind,emotions, and body, and letting of of self control by turning over
every moment that is then possible... at your state of development to
'thy will and not my will be done."
This process naturally lifts the frequency, increases light by every
successful transaction with spirit, and suddenly transformation is that
reality which was once the substance of things hoped for. Faith is
something we live through our every thought, word, and deed. And, since
it becomes power as action, it lifts those we are around or touch even
in the slightest way. Love to All.. Gloria Joy
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6 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Re Good and Evil
Melody Gavigan wrote:
>
> -> Then when we know our shadow side and have transformed it in love and light,
> -> we are truly beyond dualities, because the darkness has been flooded with
> -> light/love and made conscious.
>
> Jule, I wonder if my nightmare about an ugly two-headed person was
> about my shadow side?
> Melody
Melody, I didn't hear your dream but most people who have this dream
have also become aware of the shadow, it is a very good sign of
awakening process being underway. The job is then to confront it,
observe it, know its hidden little games, and then unravel them. One by
one you undo what has been done in the past. Every letting go brings you
closer to light, more in tune and at one with the higher frequency. One
thing that most people don't recognize is that when you have lived with
the shadow as controller over lifetimes, it is very difficult to go into
the light because it is the unknown. The unknown even though it be the
light, can be and is uncomfortable for the soul that has never been
exposed to itself, or others. There is one person in our group (together
almost 30 years) that has reoccuring dreams of the light is coming in so
strong from the Divine Mother that she is trying to shield herself from
it. It has been for her a process of letting go over a long period of
time. It has been growing up and maturing in her spiritual quest, it has
also been seeing that she has not wanted to give up her shadow power.
Once she realized with every slight increase in her light body meant
more of her shadow body would die, it became super clear that she was
consciously working at becoming the person that she only pretended to
be. This is so very important to look into the mirror, see what is
there, observe and really accept what is there so that transformation
can move forward through the light. Dreams are mirrors to the soul,
mediation is a day mirror, the bridge of consciousness is built from
every true spirit connection made and carried forward. God
Bless...Gloria joy
7 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: good and evil
Mary Knapp wrote:
>
> At 06:05 PM 9/22/96 GMT, Melody Gavigan wrote:
> >Barb, this post really helped me. I had a major setback last night. My
> >abusive boyfriend tried to get back together with me and we made a date
> >to discuss things, and he stood me up. I got all prettied-up and sat
> >there for 2&1/2 hours, waiting. (pitiful picture, isn't it?) I then
> >dreamt all night about an ugly two-headed monster.
> >
>
> Melody,
>
> Caroly Myss had a great technique for dealing with this that she tells about
> in her tape series Energy Anatomy. She says to say and think and feel about
> the person "Thank you for loving me that I choose
> to move on. Goodbye."
>
> Don't ya love it?
>
Melody,
I like that method of letting go, don't you? I would say you were just
playing out the next hand, now its your decision... do you still want to
play? And, if so, you know the consequences don't you? and, that is
ok, if that is what you have to do, but you've seen in the mirror
through your dream ... you have both sides ( two heads), you also know
and see his two sides.
The difference is this, you now have awareness .. this awareness
naturally changes the playing field.The shadow isn't happy about this
and will fight you very hard because with each movement toward truth
some aspect of the shadow is lost.Because of this, your dark side is now
fighting for its life... it will be bruttle but the truth is light is
power and dark can only manipulate and play with power because it is
nothing on its own, so once the true confrontation is on, it is over.
If your friend isn't in the letting go stage, the way to help him is to
move on and set the example of what the light/dignity/and respect for
life can do for the universe and all that is in it, God Bless and
remember God works for you not against you. Gloria Joy
8 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: where to next?
Hello to all the veterans of K:
What has happened to those who went through the K experience years and
years ago?
Have you become enlightened? Does the Chaos cease and turn into what?
Does it ever turn to mediocrity of another sort? Almost anti-climactic?
Does the fire turn to cold ashes over time? Or are there many quiet
closet wise people out there watching the struggles and knowingly smiling
like parents over their little ones?
Where do we end up when the magic roller coaster comes home? Any
casualties out there? Does your life / work reflect the wonderful words
we find written on these pages or do you still end up fighting with the
spouse, kids, etc. ie., what changes, what remains?
I'd love to hear some people's longer term stories; a looking glass into
the future.
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Thank you
jan
9 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996
From: traveler
Subject: Re: where to next?
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In 11 years, I feel as if I have gone from being born again to being 11. I
have gone through being a newborn, a toddler, a kid, and now I am a
pre-pubescent teenager.
I have gone through stages of total love to feelings that the k was gone
forever. Now it seems like I am just used to being a k person and seeing
what is in store for me with every day. It never leaves me.
Great question. Looking forward to other ages answering.
-
Best, Patti
>
>
10 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996
From: Royale Jills
Subject: Hi all
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Im back from vacation, and glad to be. Ive accidently lost all my files
and if any of you want to post me feel free to. Gordon, I wanted to say
that Santa Barbara wasnt as attractive this time. Hope to hear from you
all again. Love Royale
11 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: To Dave who doesn't know how to keep on subject of Kundalini
Subject: Re: To Dave who doesn't know how to keep on subject of Kundalini
Dave said to Sue (in part):
DG>As you know, there is dry-knowledge, and there is wet-Knowledge.
>Dry-knowledge concerns itself with that derived from books, from the
>sciences,
>with all that will eventually pass away.
DG>Wet-Knowledge is true knowledge. It is jnana, knowing that which will
>never
>perish, or change. I am a Brahmajnani, a knower of Brahman.
Is the same kind of distinction (wet and dry) in that the
psychiatrists who treat patients are starting to work hand in hand with
the 'wet-brain' guys - the pharmacologists, chemists and molecular
biologists? (This is from p. 48 of the TIME Special Issue on "The
Frontiers of Medicine.")
- To say that you are a "knower" of *anything* sounds sort of
egotistic and conscending to me. If not, then I apologize for
generalizing. The more we know, the more we know that we don't know!
Melody
* 1st 2.00 #7384 * Fill our emptiness not through our mate, but thru Spirit.
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12 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996
From: Dan Gahlinger
Subject: Re: where to next?
>At 09:07 PM 9/23/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hello to all the veterans of K:
>>
>>What has happened to those who went through the K experience years and
>>years ago?
->
>the k doesnt end. its a life-long thing. this is true for everyone. if the
person senses it has "ended" then it wasnt k. that may sound harsh, but its
not really. you've got k for life, it never ends. but hearing from those
who started long ago is a great thing. sorry if i'm picking on your wording
too much, dont mean to. just that your message seemed to suggest you wanted
to hear from people that were "over" with the k, which is, as far as I've
found, not possible. at least, not alive.
>
>>Have you become enlightened? Does the Chaos cease and turn into what?
>>Does it ever turn to mediocrity of another sort? Almost anti-climactic?
>>Does the fire turn to cold ashes over time? Or are there many quiet
>>closet wise people out there watching the struggles and knowingly smiling
>>like parents over their little ones?
>
>this has not been my experience with those more familiar with the process.
I still like to recommend Dr. Yvonne Kason's book "A Farther Shore", it
talks a lot about the k, and other related things. its perfect for the
k-beginner.
>as for enlightenment, I guess it depends what you mean. i think this comes
slowly and in tiny fragments.
>
>>Where do we end up when the magic roller coaster comes home? Any
>>casualties out there? Does your life / work reflect the wonderful words
>>we find written on these pages or do you still end up fighting with the
>>spouse, kids, etc. ie., what changes, what remains?
>
>the more things change, the more they stay the same. the roller coaster
never ends, it never comes home, until you die. and even then, i dont think
anyone is sure the k is over yet. :) certainly i think sanity is one of the
things you lose early on. as for kids and stuff, yep, same ol', your
dynamic may change with them. there have even been cases of couples
breaking up. this is covered in the book too. it really is a wonderful
source of information.
>
>>I'd love to hear some people's longer term stories; a looking glass into
>>the future.
>
>perhaps. but everyones experience is different, as i found from reading
the book, they cover a few experiences, including Dr. Kason's own. they
have been gratifying to know i wasnt completely nuts (well...) or that I
wasnt alone.
>
>And just so everyone won't think i'm a sales guy for them or something,
I'll LEND you my copy, free of charge. but i would highly recommend it.
besides, I have to see Dr. Kason this friday :)
Dan.
There are always possibilities...