kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 156 

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Tolerance of Others

>you hit the nail on the head. its NOT a stage. nope, sorry. I am just
>beginning to see how much of what Dr. Kason says is such an UNDERSTATEMENT,
>especially in that book.

what? its not going to end?
>
>what have I learned? you CAN control it, to some extent, but you have to be
>VERY aware of it. of course, this comes naturally as time goes on. but you
>WILL get tendancies to break peoples faces because of certain unethical acts
>(I did!). no its not fun.
>
>is it a phase? perhaps after the ego dies, this fades away, I dont know yet,
>i'm not at that point. the only person i can think of on this list who is,
>is Barb. so... relax, go with the flow, dont fight it, and be aware.
>Dan.
>There are always possibilities...

i seem to be over it for now. perhaps its an ebb and flow thing. some days
fine, some days go out and ream all those stupid people down. we'll see

lia

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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Increased Righteousness

>Has anyone else noticed that as a result of K your streak of righteousness
>has increased.  Mine has, and I don't like it.
>

>Any thoughts?  Experiences to report?  Anybody think it's just a stage we go
>through?
>
>                Mary,
>        The Reluctant Earthling

i certainly hope its just a stage we go through. both me and a very good
friend of mine have both been experiencing this alot lately. it got to the
point where we were so mad at each other talking on the phone and i didn't
want to see her anymore, but then we went out for luch and worked
everything out. we had no idea why we were so mad at each other and figured
out that our tolerence levels were way down.

in the restaurant there were men leering at us and both of us wanted to go
up and physically hurt them (as well as the man talking very loudly on his
cell phone). this is not like us at all.

things seem to have calmed down a bit though. i'm hoping it won't act up
again because i was hell to live with, i'm sure, those 2 months.

lia



Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Words

>Be carefull, don't know why, but this word  barectoo  scares me...Don't
>know why, I see men dressed all in black with shiney ribbons , maybe
>chanting this...This message has been very hard to write, I have had to
>retype almost every word..Rondi

hi Rondi

this sounds alot like some of the experiences i've had as well as what i
read in Whitley Strieber's book "Breakthrough". Now it all may sound a bit
farfetched, but i saw many of his experiences with "visitors" and what they
were/are doing to him and others as very kundalini related (work on the
spine, buzzing in the head or in the left side of the body etc etc)
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you may want to pick up the book.

hope this helps

Lia



Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: Re: Increased Righteousness

The thing about righteousness is really interesting...
I mean theres alot of different angles to it...for instance,
sometimes I might just say something in an offhand, nonchalant
way, and yet if it seems to criticize someone, they may perceive
me as self-righteous.( like that time I told the Pope to go to
hell ). Seriously, though, that happens, doesn't it? Also, how
about this, sometimes you feel like you have to respond to
something you see around you, because if you don't you feel
like you're pussing out. Know what I mean? So sometimes it
involves being centered or something, not feeling like you
have to control everything around you. I mean people
are different, we live in a world of almost limitless
contradictions and contrasts...vegans eat at restaurants
that are built right next to "Giant House of BBQ Pork" 

So maybe this is about coming to terms with the fact
that you don't have absolute control over everything
happening in the world.

You know, maybe if you meditate then you feel so
wonderful, then you don't want to be upset or
see anything you don't like...that feeling may 
make you less tolerant, you're trying to hold on
to something sweet...but I bet you, you go through that
feeling even if you're coming out of meditation in
Antartica or something, because it's like a switch
from bliss to reality. And reality is a learning
process (I hope). It helps me to make other people
happy, and also to be real with myself.

Also, I think it's basic to just like
people, because most people are very nice, even
if some are different or ignorant or whatever.

                ---Paco


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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Tolerance of Others

At 01:10 AM 9/21/96 -0600, you wrote:
>what? its not going to end?

well not so far as I can tell. kundalini is a lifelong process so i really
dont know about this aspect. from what I can tell the awareness helps you to
control it, as you've stated in some messages yourself. but beyond that, I
wonder if there are any people on here who are past that stage, aparantly
not, at least, not yet.

>i seem to be over it for now. perhaps its an ebb and flow thing. some days
>fine, some days go out and ream all those stupid people down. we'll see

thats the way its seemed to me. i had the same thing you did. a "friend"
wanted to "kill" me for something i had done, it was a misunderstanding.
then a week later, they did something inexcusable, and I felt that way. i've
also felt really intolerant too, like the least i could do was get a rocket
laucher and put some people out of their misery. oh how i'd have loved a
cruise missle then  anyone else get so intolerant they wanna
blow away the planet? :)
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: davelong 
Subject: No Pluralistic Morality

** No Pluralistic Morality **
=============================
People DO have a right to say: "We have formed a community of
believers. If anyone wants acceptance into our community, then they
must follow our customs and usages of religion, as well as
morality."

There is a difference between the customs and usages of religion,
and morality. Non-believers aren't obligated to follow religious
customs, aren't forced to go to Church, but they ARE obligated to
follow religious morality, and ethical values. God alone determines
what is moral and immoral, what is right and what is wrong. These
are absolutes. Everyone is obligated to follow God's Law concerning
morality.

All the great religions that teach sexual morality all agree in
significant areas, on basic moral issues: murder, stealing,
adultery, homosexuality, blasphemy, idolatry, all are wrong, and
unacceptable. The three desert religions: Judaism, Christianity and
Islam, as well as Hinduism, all agree on important moral issues.
Where they differ are in their customs and usages of religion:
eating pork, or fasting on Fridays, or eating Kosher foods, going
to the Mosque on Fridays, or to the Synagogue on Saturdays, or to
Church on Sundays; these are all customs, which no one is saying
ought to be codified into laws.

Buddhism is the only great religion which has no sexual ethic,
since the Buddha said little or nothing on the subject. Yet,
Buddhists are called to not engage in activities which are harmful
to themselves or to others, which impede their or others' spiritual
growth. Indirectly, they would agree that sexual immoralities are
wrong.

The reason concubinage is permitted in Islam is because abandoned
women would starve amid widespread poverty. Women are dumped in the
streets, and forgotten. It is a charity to take them in, to give
them a family, although they have no social status. It's similar to
the Mormon founders' contention, coming from charity, rather than
from an adolescent's fantasy of hedonism.

There may be a pluralistic plethora of various and different
religious customs, and usages of religion, but there is only ONE
morality: God's Law, which ALL are required to observe.

What was a sin 4,000 years ago is STILL a sin.
God has no need to judge a thing twice.

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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Anime CD Soundtrack Wanted!

in case it got lost because of the attachments, here it is again without the
attachments:
>
>At 09:28 PM 9/17/96 EDT, you wrote:
>>Do you know the name or describe it I think I have a used copy here.
>
>thats great Jean, even used I'll take it. I'm pretty much looking for ANY
and ALL project A-Ko cd soundtracks, so if it doesnt sound like what I'm
describing below, describe it to me, i might buy it anyhow! :)
>
>anyhow, its project A-Ko #3, Cinderella Rhapsody, the cover I believe shows
A-Ko, B-Ko and C-Ko playing pool. it may have a-ko (redhead) leaning over a
pool table, with a pool stick in her hands. in fact, if you are capable,
i've got a attached GIF of a scan of the cover (called AKO3.GIF)! (hows that
for service?) :)
>
>Please let me know if it matches, if it does, i'll take it. if not,
describe it, i'll probably take it anyhow. Anyhow the second picture is
ako4.jpg, check the upper right corner "Project A-Ko Final Image Album". Let
me know.
>
>Thanks!
>
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: davelong 
Subject: Islam & Christianity

** Islam & Christianity **

Saint Paul once had journeyed into what is now Arabia, to bring the
Good News of Christianity to the inhabitants there. But he wasn't
successful.

It was as though God had reserved the area for a later religion,
based on monotheism and pure desert morality, which would later
rejuvenate Christianity when it sank into moral decline.



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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: my mailer

I dunno whats going on with my emailer but it's REALLY messed up...

I'm sorry for the two posts that just got out on the list by mistake.

it must be the fact I'm using the beta of Eudora 3.x sigh...
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Once again, I apologize for the mail. those two messages didnt even get to
where they were supposed to go. the emailer sent them to myself and this
list... SOMEHOW... ?!? sigh...
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: davelong 
Subject: Traditional Values or None?

** Traditional Values Or None? **

Concerning the question of imposing values: Should the majority
impose its values on the minority?

Yes. When the values of the minority conflict real strongly with
the values of the majority, the majority will always prevail.
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A small community may enjoy eating dogs. It's acceptable in
Southeast Asia. But here, it is seen as cruel and repellant. Not
just lost pets, but even stray dogs, unwanted dogs. They'd be fined
or arrested for cruelty.

Should we be tolerant and allow Satanism, where children are
sexually abused, ritually-scarred, animals offered in sacrifice?

What if someone wants to be an ancient Aztec? He embraces the
religion of Montezuma, and offers human sacrifice. "Who are we to
violate their right to freedom of religion?"

No society has total freedom, no restrictions whatsoever. Total
freedom on the personal level is self-destructive. The same for
society.

So people get riled at the mention of social controls. Yet, people
do it all the time. Values are imposed by ourselves on others,
always. It's not a question of whether we should, but: Which
values? We're going to force values on each other. The question is:
What values will prevail?

Traditional values should be accepted. They work really well. They
were established by religion. If this is forcing religion on
people, then so be it. If not, the results are disastrous.

For the past 20 to 25 years, they were saying: "Do what you want
to. If it feels good, do it. Anything goes." Before, it was widely
agreed what morality was. The world was fairly free of self-
inflicted diseases. It seemed risk-free, retribution-free, death-
free. This was because their parents lived moral lives, their
grandparents lived faithful lives. Now, they DUMP the social
controls which helped them, which protected them, which preserved
them, which nourished them. Catastrophe results!

If we claim to be kind, or compassionate, yet sit back and watch
people do things which will bring about suffering and death: it's a
travesty, an hypocrisy. To uphold morality: it's a kindness, it's a
compassion, motivated not from power, to dictate beliefs and
morality. It's similar to the abortion debate, where the people
horrified at babies getting killed are labeled: "Right wing nuts,"
"Extremists," "Religious fascists," "Hateful."

It's not from mean-spiritedness, but from compassion: You don't
want to see all these babies murdered. You don't want to see all
these kids getting diseases. You don't want to see all the foolish
messages: "Go out and be promiscuous." "Do your own thing."
"Anything goes." A girl takes it to heart, and, BOOM! a teenaged
mother, emotionally-unequipped for motherhood, or, BOOM! suddenly
and permanently sterile, where she can never have children, just as
she was half-developed as an adult.

We see the messages: "Follow behavior patterns that bring
suffering, and death."

There was Jesus, entering the Holy Temple, Him, filled with love,
compassion, long-suffering, forgiveness. He saw the money-changers
and drove them out, with whip in hand.

Why did He do that? Jesus acted out of love for God. If a nasty
remark is made, directed to a family member, against someone you
love, it is natural to feel anger, to be hurt by it. It is a
combination of hurt and anger, and the desire to lash out, because
someone you love has been hurt. It is a natural reaction to
cruelty.

What Jesus did, going into the Temple, to adore the Father, seeing
the people keeping others from worshipping, by burdening them, by
profiting from it, He threw them out, bodily threw them out.
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The Prophets said words of anger, resounding words, still strong
today: "You brood of vipers! You evildoers!" Not that they were
angry people, but that they were hurt, hurt at the cruelty of their
day, hurt because GOD is hurt. They had seen His love, felt His
love living inside them.

Their words are coming from this hurt, that a loving, benevolent
God is being treated wrongly by His creatures.

If a child is kidnapped and killed, if a dealer sells drugs near a
school, people are rightly angered by it, that someone they love is
being hurt. "This is wrong. It makes us mad to see you acting that
way."



Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: vacation
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Dear listies,

Just in case any of you who have posted to me personally do so again, I
wanted to let you know that I am going on vacation, and so won't be able to
answer for a little while.  Not long, be back around Oct. 1 or so.  I'm
signing off the list tomorrow morning so I don't have a HUGE pile of mail to
sift through when I return.

I wish all of you a very pleasant week full of happy moments! ;-)  I'll catch
up with the list later.

Angels' Blessings to all,  Barb ATNOSPAM--}}--}}--



Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: "Maurizio Zollo" 
Subject: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

I would like to announce to all the US-based list members who are seeking their 
spiritual ascent through kundalini awakening that Shri Mataji Nirmala 
Devi will be travelling the country next week and will deliver two 
public lectures in LA and New York.
Here is the schedule:
Los Angeles:  Tuesday Sept. 24 at 7:30 p.m. in the Olympic Collection 
Grand Ballroom, 11301 Olympic Blvd (at Sawtelle Blvd. 2 blocks west 
of 405 Fwy), Santa Monica; contact: (310) 832-7137
New York:  Friday, Sept. 27 at 7:30 p.m. in The Auditorioum, 2 West 
64th st. in Manhattan (corner of Central Park West); contact (914) 
476-3076
The lectures, like anything else in sahaja yoga, are completely free 
of charge (there is no money you can pay for your spiritual 
evolution...)

In case you do not know who Shri Mataji is and what sahaja yoga is, I 
would strongly suggest that you point your web browsers to:
http://www.halcyon.com/sahajnet/SahajaYoga.html
or simply search for "Sahaja Yoga" with any browser. 
As an alternative, feel free to call the above contacts or me at 
(610) 259-8932.

Be assured, though, that this is one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to experience on
your own central nervous system what we have been talking about so much
(perhaps too much) on this list.  She is a recognized world authority in
spiritual evolution through kundalini awakening, but has little (if anything at
all) to do with all those $-oriented or power-oriented gurus or cult leaders
which we have come from India to exploit seekers of Truth. Shri Mataji is a
finalist candidate for the 1996 Nobel Peace Prize (one of two remaining
candidates out of 100+ applicants). She is a born-realized soul who, as a child,
lived with her parents in Mahatma Gandhi's ashram and was frequently consulted
by him (in spite of her young age) on spiritual matters.  During her high
school years she was a leader of Gandhi's student freedom movement for the
liberation of her country from the English domination (many times imprisoned
and tortured). After the war she studied medicine at Lahore and married Sir C.P.
Shrivastava, the first Indian citizen to be knigthed by the Queen of England
and the former Secretary General of the U.N Maritime Organization. Beloved
mother and grandmother, from 1970 she dedicated her life to triggering the
spiritual ascent of mankind through Self-Realization (kundalini awakening).  On
May 5 1970 She accomplished the historical feat to open the Sahasrara Chakra of
the Virata (at the Universal level), thereby making the achievement of en-masse
Self-realization (as opposed to the traditional guru-disciple relationship) a
reality. Since then, She has kept a busy schedule travelling the entire world
every third day (at her own cost) in order to diffuse the body of knowledge
related with kundalini awakening and yoga meditation and provide the direct
experience of the awakened energy on one's own central nervous system.  The
power of Her vibrations and of Her love and compassion is absolutely infinite. 
In Her presence, everyone's kundalini spontaneously awakens and shoots up
through your Sahasrara.  You have the concrete confirmation of this spiritual
breakthrough because you distinctly feel cool breeze (the Cool Wind of the Holy
Ghost, if you are Christian, the Ruh if you are muslim, the Chi if you are
Chinese etc.) coming out of the top of your head and from the center of your
palms. Richard Satin, the distinguished editor of this list, had the chance to
experience some of it just by opening the web site and watching Her photo ! 
You are welcome to try the same: open the web site and medidate (however way
you want) on Her picture.  I will be curious to hear what experiences you had.
Let me warn you, though, that if you have gone through unrighteous knowledge
(all those faked gurus mentioned above) or have done stupid stuff with dead
spirits and sexual practices, your kundalini might have been so hurt that,
before rising, will have to clear all the negativity that you have accumulated
in your "career" of spiritual seeker.  You might then experience trembling
(particularly of the left side), heat waves and, in the worst cases, burnings
and shaking.  After a few seconds, though, your kundalini, the holy energy of
the Divine's love, should win the battle and you should experience the power of
His love as cool, soothing vibrations.

Well, I guess I wrote a bit too much... Sorry for taking too much of 
this list's space.  Enjoy !

Maurizio
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: TAKE IT ELSEWHERE!!

> People DO have a right to say: "We have formed a community of
> believers. If anyone wants acceptance into our community, then they
> must follow our customs and usages of religion, as well as
> morality."

Yes, and this is a community dedicated to Kundalini, so please follow our 
customs and stay on the subject of Kundalini! 
------------
>Concerning the question of imposing values: Should the majority
>impose its values on the minority?

>Yes. When the values of the minority conflict real strongly with
>the values of the majority, the majority will always prevail.
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Very good, ...now let us get back on the subject that the majority of the 
people are here for, which is Kundalini, and stop the damn preachin!


-- 
���������       CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE,  ...Nannu      ��؃�����



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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
Subject: The Tribe of the Fire Serpent

 is gathering this evening, 8 pm Sat Aug. 21, at Odin'd Eye Gallery, 1141
and pleasure serve the Goddess. Be welcome, bring an open mind.-Angelique.



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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 
From: Sherry Tapke 
Subject: Re: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Maurizio Zollo wrote:
I would like to announce to all the US-based list members who are
seeking their spiritual ascent through kundalini awakening that Shri
Mataji Nirmala Devi will be travelling the country next week and will
deliver two public lectures in LA and New York.
Here is the schedule:
Los Angeles:  Tuesday Sept. 24 at 7:30 p.m. in the Olympic Collection 
Grand Ballroom, 11301 Olympic Blvd (at Sawtelle Blvd. 2 blocks west 
of 405 Fwy), Santa Monica; contact: (310) 832-7137
New York:  Friday, Sept. 27 at 7:30 p.m. in The Auditorioum, 2 West 
64th st. in Manhattan (corner of Central Park West); contact (914) 
476-3076
The lectures, like anything else in sahaja yoga, are completely free 
of charge (there is no money you can pay for your spiritual 
evolution...)
-
In case you do not know who Shri Mataji is and what sahaja yoga is, I 
would strongly suggest that you point your web browsers to:
http://www.halcyon.com/sahajnet/SahajaYoga.html
or simply search for "Sahaja Yoga" with any browser. 
As an alternative, feel free to call the above contacts or me at 
(610) 259-8932.

Sherry here: If you have an opportunity to see Shri Mataji, it is worth
whatever effort it takes! Does anyone know if she will be visiting
Cincinnati or Cleveland, Ohio on this US tour?
-- 
In Service to the Light,
I AM Sherry
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/1616



Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Dan: Intolerance as evil                                

Subject: Re: Dan: Intolerance as evil                                

DN the least i could do was get a rocket
  >laucher and put some people out of their misery. oh how i'd have loved a
  >cruise missle then  anyone else get so intolerant they wanna
  >blow away the planet? :)
  >Dan.

Dan,
     Have you ever considered the idea that in the process of opening 
up to Kundalini energy, that your altering state of consciousness may 
be directionless and be exposing your Self to coarser demonic realms 
of energy? (Thus, these feelings of meanness?) 
     Isn't it true that a specific frequency would determine the nature 
and "direction" of any psychic opening to Pure Consciousness? The new 
holographic theory of the brain is a picture of a brain redolent with 
diverse and commingled energies. How do you know what direction your 
psychic opening is taking? Are you able to direct it to higher realms, 
rather than lower realms?
     Any frequency shift may be toward higher or lower planes in the 
spectrum of consciousness.
     Isn't it entirely possible that you and Dr. Kason could be 
confusing a lower level chakra with a higher one?

Just my wonderings,
Melody  

* 1st 2.00 #7384 * The quality of life is identical to quality of consciousness
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: Dan: Intolerance as evil 

There's an ancient story that tells of wise men travelling to a distant 
land to see what that unusual thing called an Elephant was.  Some didn't 
really believe it existed, some were sure it did, but disagreed on what 
it might look like, some feared what they may find.  Finally, they 
arrived one dark night into the town that held the sacred Elephant. 
Infortunately, there was no light, so each approached the elephant  with 
a little trepidation.  The first felt the tail and decided an elephant 
was long, rope like and hairy.  The second, who touched the ear, decided 
an elephant was like a leathery parchment that somehow could move of its 
own volition.  The third, who attached his hands to the trunck marvelled 
at the thick, snake like thing that was the Elephant.  (There is more, 
but I leave that to your imaginations)  Each returned home and explained 
to their village that they had been gifted enough to stand in the 
presence of the sacred Elephant and taught that it was, in turn, a 
ropelike animal, a flat like being, a large snake like creature....

Perhaps we are like that too, seeing only one part of a bigger reality.  
Maybe we should be trying to piece together a larger whole out of our 
shared experiences rather than trying to explain our own. Maybe K is more 
than just a physiological thing, maybe more than just a major discomfort, 
maybe more than just a holy experience; maybe it also contains humour, 
also contains that which we might be tempted to call sacriligious;   
maybe it is an attempt to fuse togethe all the parts of life...Maybe 
words like evil and good are like expecting a tail to be an ear?  Just 
points along a continuum that is not necessarily linear?

Then again, maybe not???  

Thanks for listening.

jan