kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 107 


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 

Subject: introduction

I've just subscribed to the list and wanted to introduce myself.  I'm 26, married, and live in NYC.  I've been doing a lot of
reading of various "new age" topics for the past few years and find the
possibilities of a kundalini awakening to be fascinating.

I was hoping someone could recommend some books on the subject to use as a
good starting point to understand this ability.  Recently, I have become
more active in researching ways to expand consciousness and awaken the
latent abilities of the mind.  

Any information you can provide would be appreciated.  

Thank you.






Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 
From: tejkohliATNOSPAMgiasdl01.vsnl.net.in
Subject: Ringing in the ears!

Hi everyone,

	Sometimes I read so much mail that I loose track of who said 
what. But I remember reading about ringing in the ears, and also about 
migrane headaches . I would like to share with you all on that. To me
both these are very significant expressions of the energy. The ringing 
that I hear happens at very crucial moments, say when I realise something 
of depth - suddenly there will be a ringing in the ears, and it is not a 
hollow or shallow ringing, it is very very deep, and expansive. It is 
like the voice of the void that some of you have talked about. I feel 
that ringing is a sure sign of the arousal of K. The migrane headaches 
are also related to the work of the energy. I find that the headaches are 
related to some restrictive, negative or binding conditioning like 
conflicts, hatred etc. that lurk in our system. When the K encounters 
them or tries to pull them to the concious mind to expell them, and we 
cling to them, we get migranes. I have got lots of them, mainly due to my 
painful past, and it reallly produces physical pain, but there are times 
when I can "see" the stuff of the past coming out.

Peace and Love,
Tej 



Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: The guru thing
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At 12:29 AM 8/22/96 +0500, you wrote:
>
>	Thanks for your message. Yes what you describe about the 
>spiritual masters who ask for money to dole out "spirituality" does sound 
>right. I was with SYDA foundation for more than 5 years. They used to 
>have two day "Intensives" that would cost $200-250, and in 1980s. And I 
>took several hundred of them, only to realise that I had wasted my money 
>and time. 
>TEj
>

I for one have a great deal of trouble with "paying" for "spirituality". If
it is "real" then they should not ask for such. If they do ask for such, I
assume they are not legitimate and move on. Sorry but that's the only way I
can differentiate the "true" spiritualists versus the carnival sideshows. 

Dan.


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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: k and pain...

I've read lots of posts, and even posted a few myself about this.
Pain in the feet, burning, migranes, ringing in the ears, sensitivity to
light, getting sick, strepthroat, you name it.

Personally I have a teeny problem with accepting this as part of k, perhaps
since my own k was so recent, but I always seem to have trouble with
accepting something that is "painful" as part of a process that is supposed
to be so good.

On the other hand, if it is part of the process, I am of course one of those
people who immediately want to find some way to avoid this messy stuff. I
don't like it. that's not to say I dont like or want k, but, there has to be
a better way. :)

Dan.
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: ori^ 
Subject: Re: k and pain...

Hi Dan and all,

At 15:14 8/21/96 -0400, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>I've read lots of posts, and even posted a few myself about this.
>Pain in the feet, burning, migranes, ringing in the ears, sensitivity to
>light, getting sick, strepthroat, you name it.
>Personally I have a teeny problem with accepting this as part of k, perhaps

ummm I don't think it is fair to attribute all pain to k.
In my experience... migraines are painful whether one has experience with
kundalini or not.

Strep throat is painful too.  At least it was when I was a kid.
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Some of the listed symptoms may be a result of kundalini.
Some of them may be a result of being human.

I'm not sure it is a logical conclusion to say that k causes pain...

ori^
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: John's Laws

I was reading murphy's laws and thought hmm.

John's Laws

1.	Nothing can go wrong, if you learn from it.
2.	Nothing is ever simple, Something is ever simple.
3.	Everything takes no time, if done right now.
4.	Left to themselves, all things are still your responsibility.
5.	Nothing needs to be perfect, or life would be a bore.
6.	Mother Nature is You.
7.	Everything is going well, as long as it is going.
8.	Even in pessimism, you must be optimistic to find the bad.
9.	Positive cannot exist without negative.
10.	To believe is not correct, to do is.
11.	The caboose will always follow the engine, unless detached
12.	Success is a failure.
13.	Living is a great adventure.
14.	Your living is your concern.
15.	Awareness is the key to living.



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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: RE: Ringing in the ears, flashes of light, and crawly feelings.

These are things that need to be experienced.

If you see flashes of light, don't worry about what they are.
Don't worry about getting rid of the crawly feeling.

Just experience them, then when they are gone.  They are gone.
But remember to watch and experrience.  That is the key.
Then when they are gone, experience the next moment
with no thought of the flashing lights.

There will probably be a great joy there.

Peace,
John Halonen

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: overdose

I just thought I'd let everyone know, that while it was not intentional, I
managed to take an overdose of my medications, approximately twice the
normal, and I came within a few seconds of taking a triple dose.  I cannot
see how such actions can be beneficial to me in any way. It almost seems
like an external source, maybe I was psychically attacked, because if I was,
I have a pretty darn good idea who. but that would get into a long
discussion about their ego which I dont really want to get into right now.

here's what happened: I took my medication at 6pm, promptly fell asleep. I
woke up, checked my watch, it said 7:30, it was dark, so I assumed it was
am, so it was the perfect time to take my medication, which I did. and I
promptly fell asleep again. once again I woke up, it was now 8:45pm. What I
thought was the next day. I was just about to take my medication again when
something in my mind snapped and said "hold on a second! there's NO WAY you
just slept 24 hours!", I checked the date, it was tuesday. I still thought
it was a new day, and almost took the third set of medication again when my
mind told me to check the date on the perscription, am I ever glad I did! it
was still the same day!!

Well I checked with my pharmacist who said that the double dose was not a
problem, just don't take anything for at least 12 hours.

For all those out there taking medication of any kind (holistic or
otherwise) when you are sick, remember you are extremely vulnerable to the
forces of darkness at this time and they will do anything possible to make
your situation worse, they especially enjoy it when you are in these
vulnerable times, and cannot surround yourself with white energy, it makes
it that much easier for them.

Dan.



Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: The guru thing

At 03:05 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Is anyone here familiar with LifeSpring, Inc.,  and whether or not it is a
>worthwhile organization?  I have friends in NM who are getting pretty
>heavily involved in it, and it seems to have a "cult" feel to it....
>
>Thanks....
>
>Maimu
>

Nothing personal, and I dont mean to slander them in any way, Maimu, but the
"cult"ish feel reminds me a LOT of "The Monroe Institute". ahem....
But I think thats enough about them.

Dan.


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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber)
Subject: Re: The guru thing

At 03:11 PM 8/21/96 -0400, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>At 03:05 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote:

>>Is anyone here familiar with LifeSpring, Inc.,  and whether or not it is a
>>worthwhile organization?  I have friends in NM who are getting pretty
>>heavily involved in it, and it seems to have a "cult" feel to it....
>>
>Nothing personal, and I dont mean to slander them in any way, Maimu, but the
>"cult"ish feel reminds me a LOT of "The Monroe Institute". ahem....
>But I think thats enough about them.
>

No offense to me at all, Dan.  Please tell me more.  I want the REAL
story...not the hype THEY put out....I want to hear others experiences with
them....
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What is the Monroe Institute..why does it sound familiar?

Thanks for your frankness....

Maimu

 
      *** Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake. --Thoreau ***

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Wendy 
Subject: Re: eyes, flashes of light

Yes, Von.  Always blue here, too.

>
>Hi: John
>
>>I have similar experiences when i close my eyes... they range from
>firework type displays, to objects of different colors imploding or
>exploding....  a lot of times, when i go to bed, i lie down, and close
>my eyes and i can still see things that resemble the room that i am in,
>except they are blue.<
>
>>From my own personal experience with this light display is that it was the
>very beginning of the awakening or turning on the light.  I feel that you are
>see the kundalini starting or wake up.  After the kundalini wakes up in the
>base of the spine.  It then goes very fast back and forth between the third
>eye and the base of the spine.  When this happens just keep concentrating on
>the third eye as it is also starting to open. Keep the light display going as
>much as you can. You may not have another chance if the kundalini goes back
>to sleep again.
>
>It is interesting that you are seeing  blue in you room.  It is possible that
>you are having more awareness of the astrol plane.  You are already going in
>to the astrol plane but your awareness is not strong enough yet. The entities
>are all light blue from my own experience.   
>
>Did any one else notice a different color other than blue for these entities?
> Just wondering.
>
>Keep in touch.
>
>As always,
>Von
>
>

Leap and the net will appear.
http://www.tiac.net/users/wenders
___________________

       Midnight is when noon is born.       - Chinese proverb
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Mysterious Forces

Reading Dan Gahlinger's last post led me to wonder about something very
strange which was sent to me in the last few hours.  It was a "web-postcard"
of sorts, indicating that someone named mysteriousATNOSPAMsomewhere.com had sent a
voodoo doll.
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I accessed the site, and sure enough, it was a pretty horrible java enabled
multimedia experience.  The message was very odd, too.  I was left not
knowing if this was intended for me, or if the person felt I was doing this
to them???

If anyone here on the list was responsible, please enlighten me.  Or if
anyone has any comments.

Richard
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>Lord Mysterious (e-mail address: mysteriousATNOSPAMsomeplace.com , apparently
>logged in from 166.41.230.167 ) has
>                                        sent you a message: 
>                                   Who do that voodoo you do so well?

libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com     http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
............................................................................
Having served on various committees, I have drawn
up a list of rules: Never arrive on time; this stamps you as a
beginner. Don't say anything until the meeting is half over; this
stamps you as being wise. Be as vague as possible; this avoids
irritating the others. When in doubt, suggest that a subcommittee
be appointed. Be the first to move for adjournment: this will make
you popular; it's what everyone is waiting for.
Harry Chapman



Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Von,Holly,Wendy

Von:

The Phoenix in the mysteries is sometimes represented as having 2 heads.  It
is a reference to twin souls.  The caduceus also has 2 snakes, and so there
are 2 heads at the top.  While this is not quite the same thing, it may be
similar.  The caduceus is the symbol for healing in medicine, and is topped
by wings often.  It is also a symbol of our DNA.
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Holly: 

I love Oliver Sacks work.  Which book was on migraines?.  By the way I read
his book An anthropologist from Mars.  It has fascinating information about
sight among other things. He is a neurologist for those who don't know.

Wendy:

I thought your list about why everyone might be ill at once hilariously
funny.  The laugh did me a lot of good, epecially because I'm recovering from
a sinus infection. I've not had one in ages. Now I know why, it's the list.
 Well we might have known, viruses are energy after all.  And to think
Richard has assured us that we cannot pick up a computer virus from his
list!. He said it was impossible! ----- Me thinks he spoke with the forked
tongue ,  of the  Kundalini  snake. 
But at least you made me laugh Wendy and we all know laughter is the best
medicine.

Love Jule
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Re: overdose

Dan,

Agree to disagree :)
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Life, Death.
Health, Sickness.
Joy, Pain.

All of these are opposites.  and illusion.  Because in the middle, inbetween
there is only living. But to get to the inbetween, something is needed.

I send light and love.

John Halonen


-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
From: Dan Gahlinger            \ Internet:    (danATNOSPAMvrx.net)
Subject: Re: overdose

I disagree. I figure sickness, pain, and death are all irrelevant. there is
absolutely no spiritual need for any of them.

Dan.
-------- REPLY, End of original message --------



Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Jeff Anderson 
Subject: Re: eyes, flashes of light

On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Wendy wrote:
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> Yes, Von.  Always blue here, too.
> 
> >firework type displays, to objects of different colors imploding or
> >exploding....  a lot of times, when i go to bed, i lie down, and close
> >my eyes and i can still see things that resemble the room that i am in,
> >except they are blue.<
> >

Am I the only one who has noticed the colors referred to and the apparent 
correlation to the colors of tthe 7 chakras. Suggest you read about the 
opening of the chakras...the visualization of the colors is an open 
invitation to visit the chakras....research the techniques, apply them, 
and you will be amazed at the results!

Jeff

              "Growing Old is Mandatory, Growing Up is Strictly Optional"


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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Arlene, Dan G,

Arlene:

I too have had the experience of being paralized for a minute or two on
awakening.  The first time it happened my fingers were interlaced together,
and I was terrified, because I couldn't separate them.  To this day I sleep
with my hands well away from one another.  I did read somewhere that the
energy gets intercepted and stopped between the body and the head when we are
in certain kinds of dream states.

Dan:

The feeling of Hairshirt is exactly what it sounds like.  If you wore
sackcloth or very itchy wool(if you are allergic as I am) , it feels like
prickling,crawling and itching sensations .  This happened to me for quite a
while at the beginning,  but has subsided a great deal now.  I took it to be
manifestations of "K", a kind of electricity running through my skin area,
and rejuvenating that area of my body.  In theosophy and the Alice Bailey
literature, "k" is called electric fire, This seems a good description of
what it felt like to me.
You mentioned the Celestine Prophesy, and someone referred to the
coincidences particularly.  The more I look at my life, the more I see a
thread.  Someone has been in charge here all along, but they have a sense of
humor because I wasn't always conscious of their purposes.  Hence the
importance of following coincidences and everything else, like chance
meetings and so on, mentioned in the book.Now  my life is beginning to look
more like one vast archetypal journey, where I've been trying to put all of
those energies together into somekind of sensible framework. I can see
 connections, and patterns and all those around me have been cooperating with
me for years in this endeavor.  The weird thing is, am I influencing them to
cooperate? Or are they doing it on their own.  More and more I can see how we
are all connected, and are all one.  So who is in charge anyway?

Love Jule


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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: mxoATNOSPAMpyrite.som.cwru.edu (Maimu Alber)
Subject: Re: Arlene, Dan G,

At 04:37 PM 8/21/96 -0400, SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
>Arlene:
>
>I too have had the experience of being paralized for a minute or two on
>awakening.  The first time it happened my fingers were interlaced together,
>and I was terrified, because I couldn't separate them.  To this day I sleep
>with my hands well away from one another.  I did read somewhere that the
>energy gets intercepted and stopped between the body and the head when we are
>in certain kinds of dream states.

And in some other circles :-)  this is considered a sudden move from REM
sleep to consciousness, where we don't go through the normal levels....it
can cause (hypnogogic episodes....also known as lucid dreaming) and
cataplexy..which is loss of muscle tone which we feel as paralysis. It was
as if my brain woke up before my body did.  I used to get this all the time.
They are symptoms of narcolepsy, which is what it's called when we go
through that uneven movement from unconsciousness into  consciousness....

I was given a low level antidepressants for years to make my sleep cycles
more smooth...and it went away.  Now I wish I had it back...I have had a
lucid dream from time to time...but not like I used to.  Now, when I'm into
examiniing my dreams fully, I do not have the ability to do with them what I
used to...as easily as I used to.

BTW, I found that if I let go of the fear, and allowed myself to relax and
settle back into unconsciousness, when the body and brain got back into
sync, I naturally woke up without a problem.  

Maimu

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    When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather......
     Not screaming and crying like the passengers in his car did.


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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Von,Holly,Wendy

At 04:16 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Von:
>
>The Phoenix in the mysteries is sometimes represented as having 2 heads.  It
>is a reference to twin souls.  The caduceus also has 2 snakes, and so there
>are 2 heads at the top.  While this is not quite the same thing, it may be
>similar.  The caduceus is the symbol for healing in medicine, and is topped
>by wings often.  It is also a symbol of our DNA.
>
can you tell me more information on what you have on the phoenix entity? its
been sort of a pet-subject of mine.

Dan.


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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com
Subject: Re: eyes, flashes of light

hi von,
   thanks for the input on the kundalini, blue vision etc.  another
interesting thing, my wife and i were on a trip in a hotel room with a
stucco ceiling.  i was laying on the bed in a alpha state and starting
to normalize, when i noticed that the ceiling was a very subtle blend of
green and purple.  in reality, this ceiling is white.  this type of
stuff happens all the time, and as i say to a few others, it just keeps
getting more and more interesting.

i don't think this energy will go back to sleep.... nor do i want it
too.

take care and god bless

john
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reikiATNOSPAMhhs.net



Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Arlene, Dan G,

At 04:47 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>BTW, I found that if I let go of the fear, and allowed myself to relax and
>settle back into unconsciousness, when the body and brain got back into
>sync, I naturally woke up without a problem.  
>
>Maimu

you say that like its an EASY thing to do... 
you dont know how many times i've just wanted to "let go" of the fear and
relax. easier said than done, or maybe not. :)

Dan.



Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: Crawlings and stuff

> there is no feeling at all.  When I go into deep meditation then these
> crawling things like bugs or spider webs really do distract me.  Also many
> times I just jump up really fast when something is pinching and twisting me. 
> 
> Do you know of anyway to stop this phenomena?
> 
> 
You said it, Von!  These things annoy me so much sometimes!  On occasion, 
I have gotten relief from hand-held magnets to draw the energy off of 
me.  And yeah, sometimes I just have to dance, exercise, move the energy 
off in whatever way I can.  It irritates the tarnation out of me, too, 
when I'm trying to meditate.  But it always passes.  
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Arlene, Dan G,

At 04:37 PM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>You mentioned the Celestine Prophesy, and someone referred to the
>coincidences particularly.  The more I look at my life, the more I see a
>thread.  Someone has been in charge here all along, but they have a sense of
>humor because I wasn't always conscious of their purposes.  Hence the
>importance of following coincidences and everything else, like chance
>meetings and so on, mentioned in the book.Now  my life is beginning to look
>more like one vast archetypal journey, where I've been trying to put all of
>those energies together into somekind of sensible framework. I can see
> connections, and patterns and all those around me have been cooperating with
>me for years in this endeavor.  The weird thing is, am I influencing them to
>cooperate? Or are they doing it on their own.  More and more I can see how we
>are all connected, and are all one.  So who is in charge anyway?
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hehehehe... you dont REALLY expect me to answer that do you? 
ah joy. well, there's you, and your guides, which are just fractures of
yourself anyhow, and theres your "overself", and there's what some call
"collective", which I refer to as "the council" (but thats a long story),
anyow, theres also my spiritual mom, fate, she's a devilish one (humour
wise), you could always ask her.  she has yet to answer a question
from anyone though, she just smiles and grins knowingly. not giving any
indication. she's like that, it's her job. 

anyhow, back to the topic, well, to me, theres many things that come into
play, theres fate, which steers things in your direction, and will keep
throwing important things at you until you get them or are a complete
doufus. :) theres yourself, which includes your subconcious, which is a very
powerful entity indeed, this too can affect your path. there's your concious
self. personally, i've never known anyone who could affect their life-path
conciously, somehow it always ended up a certain way. and then theres your
"overself", thats how i refer to it anyhow, maybe call it your soul, i
dunno, dont wanna get too carried away with terms here, and give the wrong
impression. but anyhow, theres all sorts of bonds between these things.
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you really do have your choices, and the direction you take is yours. fate
is there to guide the important messages your way, and make sure you get
them. your subconcious (I'll assume here) works to try and fulfill your
concious wants and needs, but that's only a guess.  Your overself is more
aware, i sometimes like to think of it as being one level above you on the
awareness scale, it can see the "moderate" scale picture and will try to
guide you, this we receive as "instinct" or "gut reaction"

so these things tend to guide you in a direction, and when they happen
often, some have said its a sign you are going "the right way". I dont wish
to allude to this, because i think its a whole lot more complex, for example:

theres other people too... remember, you're not alone on this planet. you
could be meeting these people not for YOU to get a message necessarily, but
to GIVE them a message. for some reason i just thought of this. :) of course
it could work both ways.

Are you confused yet? well, if not, you should be. [smirk]

I try not to give "black" and "white" answers, there really are no right or
wrongs. people or things can only guide you, your direction is your own
choice. I have tried to choose my words carefully, but even i take exception
to the way i've phrased a few things, but for "lack of a better way of
putting it" kind of deal, thats what i've written.

Dan.

>
>Love Jule
>
>