Date: Sat, 17 Aug kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 97 

From: "I.Juster"
Subject: Re: Re the ego

>I experience the void as being where I am conscious, and can be whoever or
>whatever i want to be. I am all of it. There is only me totally conscious of
>all there is.  I can be or not be.  It is a place of pure intent.  The world
> I live in is simply the result of that intent.
>
>I'm not explaining this too well, I know, because truthfully it is beyond
>words.  But I'd love some input from others on this.
>
>Love Jule


I think a lot of differences boil down to definitions. Same concepts,
different words.
Too me, the void is more like Osho says it, that place beyond the ego.

The void you describe is...well, I understand what you mean, I think. I too
have a place of pure intent. I call it my commitments. My priorities. The
principles I live by. For me they are Tantric commmitments, to be fully
present in each moment, in gratitude for life, (on and on), etc. 

Once I now my core intentions, then life, (as in the outer world) serves me
up one Tarot card, one challenge, one opportunity to learn, one after
another. Based on who I have chosen to be, I get to create my responses.
There are many, many ways to respond upon that foundation. I am not fixed in
how I respond, only in my commitments (or intentions).

I can imagine myself doing all sorts of things. I can go against my
commitments, as well as  find new ways of living into them. I could even
change them if I really wanted to, though it would be hard.

The concept that we create ourselves anew continuosly is the heart of
postmodern philosophy. This philosophy would say that there is no core, only
surface. I.e. that even our intentions are chosen/created. That there is a
surface, of our constructed reality, surfing on the void as I defined it. 

No meaning at all, other that what we choose. (BTW, this is existentialism,
renamed postmodern thought.) 

I am a postmodernist, for sure. Still, as humans, I feel, we search to put
meaning into our lives, and that quest is more important than finding out
the truth, which is ultimately unknowable. Hence I please myself greatly to
nurse and cherish my beloved Tantric commitments. And they are the
guideposts that guide me through stormy, confusing, dark nights of the soul,
always promising and then delivering me home to that place of comfort that I
sought. These same guideposts reliably take me into the Tantric ways that
are blissful to me, too. 

I don't know if this got anything clearer, but it was fun...

Love, Patti


Date: Sat, 17 Aug
From: HB28277ATNOSPAMsprynet.com
Subject: Re: Re the ego

On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
>Royale:
>
>Thanks for the analogy about getting rid of the ego being like getting rid of
>the clouds so you can see the sun.  I;d never heard that before .
>
>When I look inside myself I often see a blue sky and a sun, as part of the
>picture except when I am upset at someone.  then i see only clouds!  This is
>exactly the picture, my ego gets in the way when I allow emotions to cloud
>things.
>
>Patti:
>
>I experience the void as being where I am conscious, and can be whoever or
>whatever i want to be. I am all of it. There is only me totally conscious of
>all there is.  I can be or not be.  It is a place of pure intent.  The world
> I live in is simply the result of that intent.
>
>I'm not explaining this too well, I know, because truthfully it is beyond
>words.  But I'd love some input from others on this.
>
>Love Jule
>
>
>

      I once had a discussion with a group of Buddhists. They told me at a 
certain point I could attain enlightenment. I said, "how can I attain 
enlightenment?In other words can the ego experience samhadi and beyond?
      Someone once wrote Osho was power hungery but enlightened.
Power hungery is a state of being, a reflection of "I".Can I be enlightened.
The ego can not get rid of it self( it is ego that prompts me to write, to want,
to do, to grasp at the goal of enligtenment).Can I exist without Ego, my
collection of experinces that combined form all that I call myself?
Only by non-grasping (letting go) by the practice or" Nowness" can I die.

   Meditation practice is absolutly neccessary to complete the "death" of ego.
To become One with God, ego and all it's desire must die.Only then can I enter
into Absolute Samhadi.  This is a difficult thing to try to do,Eh?
I can not do it.Undersand?All I can do is open my hands ,spread my fingers 
and let matters flow through.
                                             Michael


Date: Sat, 17 Aug 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Re the ego

Hi: Jule

You said:
 >It is a place of pure intent.  The world
 I live in is simply the result of that intent.<

A poem for you.

---------------------------------------
      
                   " The Void"

            The void will rise tomorrow
                 upon another day,
      And all the fears that you possess
               are bound to fade away.

          The sun will rise high in the sky
            to warm your heart as soul,
         but the void becomes cold and old.
The void will be a source of newfound strength
         to help you reach your goal, but
          when the day is over and done
               and sun sets in the west
be sure that the void have not become your quest.
 
As always,
Von


Date: Sat, 17 Aug
From: Mark Rivera
Subject: Re: Re the ego

The Ego is the terrible weight that keeps us in this illusion andcauses 
our fear because of it's wnt for control. The Shakti is the road to 
freedom, cutting the anchor away from the sea toward an everlasting 
freedom, but it' not easy, but worth fighting for. This is a school. I 
think that's why all is as it is. Karma is our teacher. The Guru our 
guide. We'rre all invited to the wedding all we have to do is make our 
own dress. It's amazing how liberating shedding material thingscan be. 
It's not easy, but when it's done out of one'sown will, it's clensing. 
These are my thoughts for this evening. Perhaps all is not so serious, 
and life is but a dream.

Sita Ram, 
Mark


 
Date: Sun, 18 Aug
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Photo/Graphics Viewing

To Royale and others who asked:
There are a gazillion graphic/photo viewer/editors. ACDsee is a popular 
one, but my favorite from Alchemy Mindworks is available as shareware 
at URL:  http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/alchemy.html

It supports most popular and not-so-popular formats, allows you to edit 
and scale and convert to other formats.

DAN   =+)


Date: Sun, 18 Aug 
From: ori^
Subject: Void

Hi,
A number of you seem to have a sense of the void in a less
ominous way than I have always held.  I have had a difficult
time being in the void... of course... for many years it seemed
I was stuck there and knew nothing else... I used to say "Avoid
the void."   And yet, now, as part of this current, changing life, 
it becomes necessary at times to enter willingly into the void... 
and be there fully.  Although now I have a better sense of how to 
navigate, and I know I can return from the void... reset, in a sense.


Some time ago I bought a cd: The magnificent void / Steve Roach
I think about it as: void music...  music to enter the void by

********************************
on the back is a quote by Stanislav Grof:

"One of the most enigmatic of all transpersonal phenomena is the 
experience of the Void, the encounter with primordial Emptiness,
Nothingness, and Silence.  This extraordinary spiritual experience
is of a highly paradoxical nature.

The Void exists beyond form of any kind.

While being a source of everything it cannot itself be derived
from anything else.  It is beyond space and time.

While we can perceive nothing concrete in the Void
there is also the profound sense that nothing is missing.

This absolute emptiness is simultaneously pregnant with all of
existence since it contains everything in a potential form."

---From "The Holotropic Mind"
***

I liked this quote, so thought I'd share it.
ori^

P.S. Dan, I agree with Wendy about preferring the choice about receiving
images, especially when I sometimes am downloading my mail at work in
addition to at home, and have to do double work to delete or move the
images.  Thanks!



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Date: Sun, 18 Aug
From: Richard Satin
Subject: Re: Void

Dear ori^,

This is a wonderful, wonderful cd.    Every time I listen I am transported..
 .
> Some time ago I bought a cd: The magnificent void / Steve Roach
> I think about it as: void music...  music to enter the void by

love,
Richard
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug
From: Denise Clausen 
Subject: help Jeff

Jeff,
I think I know what you are asking here. This is my suggestion if what you
think is happening is really happening. Cut all ties with any of her exes
friends, some of them may be volentarily or not working with her x, to control
her. Also, remove any objects from her house which he gave to her or any of his
freinds gave to her, but expecially whatever her gave to her. Do not let here
loan out any of her clothing to anyone, especially her shoes. Let me know if
this all rings a bell or not 
             Yours Truly, 
              Denise


Date: Sun, 18 Aug
From: Denise Clausen 
Subject: Re: Throat Chakra

Rondi McBoyer wrote:
> 
> Here's a thought...I have a friend who has taught me lots on the K subject,
> she says when she starts to tell me something I'm not ready for, her throat
> closes up and she can't say anything,until she decides what she is allowed
> to say.
> Rondi


 I have been experiencing this for about 7 years. Im not sure if it is the
 Kundalini force, Although I have been awakened for 8 years. I do believe my
 Kundalini was activated about 8 years age but, I do not beleive that this
 closing of the throat when speaking to others is Kundalini triggered. I am at
 a loss to define what has been happening regarding this throat thing but I am
 leary of it.
                         Yours Truly, 
                          Denise


Date: Sun, 18 Aug
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Muladhara 

Von,
Thank you for sharing the inspiring story about Ram Dass!  It was exactly
what I  needed to read today!

Love,