Date: Mon, 12 Aug kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 88 

From: Wendy 
Subject: New Kundalini Book Shop

Hi Richard,

Meant to tell you I'd 'stopped' by your wee bookstore website the other day
after you gave the quote & ref from the Sallie Nichols Tarot book....

Your 'shop' looks very nice and it's great to see the titles all together
and not have to search Amazon.com's some 1 million titles for the golden
kernels one is looking for about what is all near and dear to us here.... k
'et al'

I think I might have cruised on by while you were still putting on some
finishing touches and I almost knocked but didn't want to disturb you
(knowing how intensive doing html can be, especially if fuzzy brained as I
am most of the time - directly attributable to k of course! )

Good luck with it, and I hope you make at least a small profit for all of
your labors on my and everyone else's behalf.

Wendy

ps Your email quote today reminded me of something I wrote as I was about to
embark on my 'new' life of k and all 3 years ago - the rather heady and yet
comfortable sensation that what I was feeling and experiencing felt very old
and familiar to me, but at the same time, totally new and dfiferent.  Both.
The piece is called What Happens...?  and, if anyone's interested, can be
read on my writing page at:
http://www/tiac.net/users/writing.html

Thanks, Richard, as always. - W.

>Dear List Members,
>
>If you are on the web, please take a look at the kundalini list Web site.  
>(http://www.execpc.com/~libra/)  I have made a few changes, and have added a
>direct source for ordering any of the books mentioned so far on the list. 
>It is easy and safe.
>
>Also, please send any suggestions for books which you have found
>particularly helpful or interesting, with or without comments.  You can send
>these to me, or preferably; post them to the list.  If you think there
>should be books present which you don't see, let me know and I'll add them.
>
>It should go without saying that this is a convenience for us on the list,
>and not a profit making venture. 
>
>Hope you find it helpful.  It's been a lot of fun to put together ;>
>
>Richard
>--
>libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com     http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
>............................................................................
>...and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where 
>we started and to know the place for the first time.
>-T.S. Eliot
>
>


Date: Tue, 13 Aug 
From: Frans Storms <>
Subject: Another Analogy

Before enlightnment chop wood, carry water
After enlightenment chop wood, carry water


There is something between these lines. It's the place i live.
I must have jumped into a river, and i cannot go back.
I have heart tales and stories about the other shore.
Sometimes i imagine to see its outlines faintly in the distance.
I am uncertain because i don't know.
I don't know if my efforts bring me close.
I don't know if the stream will carry me near.

I have my moments.
Then i chop water. Or carry wood.


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 
From: "I.Juster" <>
Subject: Grab bag

Karen: 
Thank you for your new member letter. Please keep coming back. Sometimes
people write something (including me) that is deep and revealing, and no one
responds, or...they disagree. I always try to let my ego alone and view my
contribuitions to this list as unconditional gifts. I encourage you to do
the same. We are listening, just all of us in our own processes, too. Timing
varies on how able we are to respond. Thanks for speaking up, too. Welcome!

On meditation: there are many kinds; orgasm; dance; any kind of flow
state--maybe even your work. As well as yantras and mantras, sitting in
zendo, etc. Whatever you do may be just what is perfect for you now, don't
force it. Follow your heart's desires.

Tej:
 Sometimes I think of the k as Kali, the destroyer and creator. They go
together. Many things in my life have been destroyed by the k, and I have
had to learn to love this part of k as much as all the creations, in order
to survive and thrive. Gratitude is a powerful path for me.

Von:

Hi friend . About Osho, he is a traveling angel to me. He gives to me,
asks nothing in return.  I have never met him, or been a member of his
roganization. I've only read his books. He gives light to me even to this
day, pure, unadulterated, blissful. We are in love. He is a mirror to my
soul.  He and I create a healthy dynamic. He has never hurt me, could never
hurt me, because fortunately I do not need to give away or hide or abuse my
own power. I invite in his light which is powerful. The fact that he had a
human, powerhungry side to his nature does not dim the light that he carried
so brightly. It is irrelevant. Humans are humans, I do not expect even the
most enlightened human to not be human. I just know that humans--even
powercrazy ones-- are capable of carrying very powerful lights. (We all are.) 

And Osho is not my only traveling angel. There are more. I am truly blessed.

Love to all, Patti


Date: Mon, 12 Aug
From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: Psychic stuff?

Hi DAniel:  I have had visions appear on a kind of tv screen and that was 
so magical!  I really love it when that happens.

But this weekend, at the workshop, I met briefly with another participant 
that I barely knew.  That night I had a dream and a message for him that 
said, Heal Your House.  I didn't know what to make of it and I almost 
dimissed it altogether.  When my husband encouraged me to deliver the 
messaged to the guy, he nearly fell over and he was having all kinds of 
strange things happen at his house and he needed to heal it.

I was so grateful that I didn't dismiss this message.  It was an obvious 
gift to the guy and he's was so touched that when he doesn't get a 
message directly, he will get it indirectly.

I think your experiences and mine are the kinds of wonderment that the K 
provides as we continue in our growth and understanding of it.  It is so 
magical and mysterious to us, but in fact, we are relearning what has 
always been.  I think now these psychic gifts are the gifts of the novo 
(new) human that we are evolving into.  And it is so exciting!

Karol Ann 


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: The International Yoga Directory

Gloria Joy Greco
Kundalini Meditation
55 E Grove Street
Reno, Nv 89502
Light of Day Press
GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
http://www.inetworld.com/lodpress


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Reprint

Karen,
Welcome. Are you avoiding mediation because once you start, it is something
that will take over your life. It really is you know, once you go within to
find that peace and quiet spot in the heart a new person will come out. But,
it is a continuation of your process and you will likely see things about
yourself that you may want to avoid. How about your dreams are you
remembering them? Gloria


 
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: No Reponse to New Member

Karen,
I sent my little encouragement on, but my computer has been off a lot because
of the electric storms we've been having. I am sorry if you feel there is no
one listening, your story is certainly one with the highs and lows. It sounds
like you are doing much better now and have a handle on things. I wrote you
in another letter suggesting you take the time everyday to meditate. It will
increase the energy in your body and help you balance. Beyond that it will
help, if it is your purpose, to align yourself with God's Will for you. The
people I work with here in Reno are very committed to not only meditate
everyday if at all possible, but they also keep a dream meditation journal
for record. It is a wonderful discipline that brings many fruits over the
years. At first it may go slow but when you look back 30 years from now, it
will mean a tremendous amount. I've kept a journal since 1968. Gloria
GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Symbolism - Interpretation - Help?

Was she a medium? You are looking at the throat chakra that has been damaged
through misuse of energy. Your message to her was likely a warning of some
kind, what was her reaction? That is sometimes an uncomfortable situation to
be in, but when spirit is moving and it is meant to come out it does. Don't
make a big thing out of it. Gloria


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: The Guru Thing

HI all,
I would suggest when ones teacher is to appear you wouldn't want these
thought forms hanging around, or it would never happen.  Don't you think this
is a mental creation that is meaningless. If you are to meet an enlightened
one, it would be a great blessing from God. If you were to meet a fake, don't
you know that it would only be there if God was teaching something through
this also.  It is good to know that the teacher is within but it is also
important to have humility and be open to divine will how ever it comes. 

May not be popular, but meditate on it. Gloria 


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 9
From: Boyd Ruffner 
Subject: re: Fran's Another Analogy

 Still not sure what I'm into.  Did enjoy the above.
bruffnerATNOSPAMkoyote.com


Date: Mon, 12 Aug
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: General

Thank you for your comments on Ireland. I asked her if she felt or saw the 
same things as here, but she told me pointedly: No, here everything feels 
good. She felt different.

Her dream about being blind seemed very real: she saw nothing, everything was 
darkness. She could only hear her friend. That's what was so frightening to 
her. 


>Hi everyone:
>
>My service was down yesterday, so some of these comments are a little late.
>
>Von:  What about those who do not like coffee?  They must really be in a
>pickle!
>
>Karol Anne, Omar:
>
>A master is like one who is at the hub of the wheel, he can see all paths
>(which represent the spokes of the wheel).  To him all paths are of equal
>worth to be used or discarded as the person sees fit.  All of them lead to
>the hub. 
>
>One who is on a spoke of the wheel, however, can only see his own spoke,
> and
>perhaps a glimmer of those on either side of him.  So he is totally
> confused
>when a spoke from the other side of the wheel is mentioned.  He cannot even
>see it, let alone understand it.
>
>The point is we need to understand that the wheel would collapse if it lost
>too many of its spokes. All are necessary to make the wheel work.
>
>Royale:
>
>For a few weeks before "K", I had energy running between the crown, 3rd
> eye,
>and alta major (base of skull) chakras. When the full blown "K" rose , it
>happened in the small hours of the morning, and started in the crown of my
>head.  It felt as if someone had touched an electric flame to my crown
> chakra
> Then the "K" rushed up my spine and the energy also rushed down from the
>crown. They met and flooded the whole body.
>There were definetly 2 kinds of energies involved, the head  energy and the
>base energy.
>
>Snowbird:
>
>I agree generally about the interpretation of your daughter's dream.  I did
>want to add one thing though.  Ireland is a very ancient land, and the
>energies are different.  The ancient people of Ireland were reputed to be
> the
>Tuatha de Danaan, who were enlightened masters who came to earth, at the
>beginning of time to help get the "earth project" for want of better
>description off to a good start.  For them, to come into these bodies was
>blindness, because they had to give up the light of spirit in order to come
>into this density.  She may have been at a power point in Ireland where
> their
>energies are still accessible. The legend goes, that when they could no
>longer have an effect, because the people had become too warlike, they
>retreated into the hills and became the little people.i.e the fairies,
>leprachauns etc of which Irish legend abounds.  Many Irish people claim to
>see them to this day, and they aren't all drunk, (the Irish i mean, not the
>fairies) So we must assume that those energies are still very very potent
> in
>some parts of the country,
>
>Love Jule
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


Date: Tue, 13 Aug 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: the guru thing

Hi Jim:

About your airplane story.  What if you are ready to take United flight # 742
to Dallas leaving  at 7:00 P.M .  You are late for the flight so you drive
very fast to the Airport, but the drive is just to long and you get very
tired driving.  You stop by a restaurant to have something to drink.  You
drank a shot of  vodka and for some reason you drank to much vodka and got
drunk.  You went to sleep with your head on top of the table.  About 11:35
P.M.  You woke up an noticed the late night T.V. news was on.  The news said
that Flight # 742 to Dallas at 7:00 P.M. crashed and there were no survivors.
 Then you thought that you better call home to your family and tell them that
you are ok.
You dial and you then only hear crying in the background. You tell your wife
that you are ok and that you stopped by a restaurant and feel asleep. 

This story is mostly true.  So can you say 100% that it was just coincidence.
I have had just to many stories in my own life and after a while this
coincidence theory just runs out of steam.  There is no way that I can ever
tell all of this on line and there is no doubt in my mind that there is a
real spiritual entity here.  Not the higher self.  This is all that I can say
in this space.

As always,
Von


Date: Tue, 13 Aug 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Neat way to crucify kundalini

Hi: Tej

You said:
	>Thanks for your message. Yes we do disagree. And lets have some 
fun disagreeing, OK?

OK!


	>By the way, can you have the fun disagreeing with any guru or 
master of YOUR choice? 

Yes!


>If you don't believe me, why don't you select a guru or master of your
choice and go right upto him/her, in front of the disciples, and say "You are
talking just bullshit". Then why don't you 
note down the reaction of the people around you, including the guru et al,
and his/her disciples

Yes I agree and that is why I never go to these meetings.  The communication
between me and the no-physical guru is very personal.  Every time I tell
people of my own experience I lose just a little bit.
If I practice alone I receive much more benefits and these entities do
communicate with me so why should I leave them at home and go outside to a
meeting?   

So,  yes I agree again.  Am I having fun yet?


	>As far as K is concerned, it is also damaging. Sooner or later in 
the K process you must meet with your Inner-Self, whether in dreams, 
visions or any other way. That process will get delayed if you have the 
image of an external body imposed on your mental process. I may not be 
expressing myself in the best way possible but I hope that you understand 
what I am saying. I have experienced this in both ways.

Yes I agree and yes I did meet with my inner-self. 

	>And now I would like to say a little on the ideal way to help 
others as you mentioned. To be done correctly, without damaging the 
receiver, it has to be done anonymously. I was helped a lot, and still am 
being helped a lot. I know that for a fact. But I still do not know even 
today, who is the being that has helped me. It can be done that lightly, 
and is done that lightly by the real advanced beings. That is the right 
way. More inferior beings( normally I dont like to use that word, but I 
am using it here) will help in a way where credit goes to them.

Yes, I agree.   Am I having fun yet?

>Peace and Love,
Tej

Is that all?  

Love, 
Von
	


Date: Tue, 13 Aug 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Grab bag

Hi:Patti

You said:
>Hi friend . About Osho, he is a traveling angel to me. He gives to me,
asks nothing in return.  I have never met him, or been a member of his
roganization. I've only read his books. He gives light to me even to this
day, pure, unadulterated, blissful. We are in love. He is a mirror to my
soul.  He and I create a healthy dynamic. He has never hurt me, could never
hurt me, because fortunately I do not need to give away or hide or abuse my
own power. I invite in his light which is powerful. The fact that he had a
human, powerhungry side to his nature does not dim the light that he carried
so brightly. It is irrelevant. Humans are humans, I do not expect even the
most enlightened human to not be human. I just know that humans--even
powercrazy ones-- are capable of carrying very powerful lights. (We all are.)


And Osho is not my only traveling angel. There are more. I am truly blessed.

---------------------------------------
In the first place as you clearly told me I sure am not always right.  I sure
did not want to offend you when I mentioned Osho.  I only know what I read
and hear.  He is not my teacher and so I don't know from actual experence.  

There is one thing that you said which I thought was very interesting. 

>The fact that he had a human, powerhungry side to his nature does not dim the
light that he carried so brightly. It is irrelevant. Humans are humans, I do
not expect even the most enlightened human to not be human.

That is very true.  You are not the only one that I heard this from.  Many
times I thought about Osho and wondered," just maybe somewhere deep down
inside he might have something.  If all of these sex stores are true or not.
 He still must have some kind of wisdom that I don't understand.   If these
sex things are a secret Tantra ritual then I will never know.  He may be hung
up on sex,  power Hungary and yet I have heard of more stranger things in
life.  If it works for you than I send you my love as I may never know for
sure.    It's nice when you just accept people as human.  We all are human
and make many mistakes.  In India they say as they bow to each other, " the
God in me bows down to the God in you." 

Thanks, 
Von

Namaste'...Arlene   if you are out there!  Waiting for your post.


Date: Mon, 12 Aug
From: ori^ <>
Subject: Karen ; Meditation

Karen,
Thank you for sharing your story.
It is always refreshing to read the depths and heights of the
paths we follow to reach *here*  Although the struggle is never
pleasant or easy and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone, it makes
me feel like I'm not alone to read your story.

>Karen wrote:

>> I am here for  the awakening of knowledge.

Yes, and for this-- the struggle is worth it.

>> Five years of tremendous change and growth have overwhelmed me. I am
>> creating life from my thoughts. We have the power to co-create with God for
>> we are his extension ....  The 2000 years of peace are almost upon us.

We do have the power to co-create, and it is within each individual.
It is awesome to begin to realize how natural this is... and that
this is part of the reason we are here on this earth.
 
>> When mankind on earth finds out the truth....first they will be scared and
>> then they will be MAD. We are here to help them through the change. I don't
>> have all the answers yet. But it will be made known to me when the time is
>> right.

We each are followers and leaders, students and teachers.  I too feel to be
an assistant... a servant of the change.  I too do not know where this is
leading... what my purpose is... and yet I know I must keep walking along
the path with my eyes open.  (Karen, I wonder if you know about lightwork-l
another list which it seems you may resonate with.  If interested, write
me privately for subscribe info.)

>> Meditation - I believe I am avoiding meditation and I do not know
>> why....another lesson I suppose. I can place myself in an alpha state on
>> demand with my eyes open. I do not understand why I AM avoiding meditation.
>>  If anyone could explain why I might be doing this I would greatly
>> appreciate your input

I wonder if it is more the concept of meditation you avoid, rather than
meditation itself.  Perhaps you have just not found a "meditation" which
is right for you.  Meditation has such a connotation to it about sitting
quietly and not thinking.  If you can enter so easily into alpha, perhaps
you are meditating far more than you realize... and it is just not a formal
meditation.  

One thing that worked for me was to call it "Running my energies" rather
than meditation.  I used this time to work with grounding, and then the
conscious running of energies... to get everything flowing, and sometimes
focusing on clearing of chakras.  This changed and evolved as I learned
various methods and techniques both from without and from within.
Somehow I have developed the idea of bilocation... and that a part of
me can be sustaining a meditative state even while I go about my day
to day business.  I do find a need to reset this state consciously
periodically, especially during states of high stress.

This life is such a mystery!
ori^



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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: kundalini awakening

------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------

Subject: kundalini awakening

My name is Jean.  For approximately the last 3 years I have been
experiencing
a full blown kundalini awakening.  It has proved to be totally full of awe
and awful.  I have watched the universe at play and have also felt it's
weight on my shoulders.  The physical pain at times has been almost
unbearable and the nights have been beyond anything  I could possible
imagine.   I have received visitation from spirits, been given implants and
 received wonderful gifts.   But the pain as of late has been more than I
can
deal with.  At times I long to die but I know that is not an option for me.
 I want the pain to end so I can get a job and support myself.  Currently I
have no income and struggle just to feed myself.   I don't qualify for any
assistance from the government so I depend on the universe to take care of
my
needs.  I have longed to talk to someone who has experienced  what I am
going
through.  Thank you for this opportunity to talk.   Please respond.  I need
people in my life that understand. God bless.   Jean   


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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Automatic or unconscious writing?

Hiiiii (k)ites,
As usual, I woke up at 2:00 am with something on my mind and the urge 
to make y'all read ANOTHER post. I just finished wading through my 
email - you guys are a verbose bunch! (Yeah, right, like I am the 
haiku-mensch of succinctitude.)     =-)     %-)     ;-)

Really, the following did come back to me at 2:00 am this morning.

Time:     afternoon, winter, 1968
Place:    University of Wisconsin Marathon County Extension Center,
          Wausau, WI, music department office.
Players:  Music dept head, three other music students, myself (I took
          no music classes, was unschooled in music, and had only taken
          1 year of piano lessons as a lad, yet was always a part of
          these afternoon get-togethers music discussion groups - have
          always been a part of groups that I didn't BELONG to (maybe
          wasn't so odd, considering the k)
Scene:    As was the habit, discussion wandered from the eclectic to
          the ordinary. One fellow was doing the audio for a local
          production of a mystery play and needed a tape of "The Merry
          Widow Waltz" and discussion was directed to where exactly
          that popular piece had come from and how he could obtain a
          taped version of it to use as a sound-bite for the play. It
          was not at anyone's immediate mental fingertips and the talk
          moved on to other things. After some discussion, I brought
          up the previous topic, saying, "Has anyone remembered where
          "The Merry Widow Waltz" came from or who wrote it"? The
          room went completely silent and everyone's jaws dropped open.
          I thought that there was some inside joke that was being
          played on me and repeated the question. Finally, one of them,
          with a very puzzled look on his face, pointed to the black-
          board across the room. There, written on it was the name
          Franz Lehar. I was somewhat baffled as I hadn't recalled
          anyone doing that. Then he added, "You wrote that and told us
          the piece was from the opera of the same name." To this day
          I do NOT remember going to the blackboard, writing the name,
          or expounding about the opera. I had NEVER heard the name
          Franz Lehar before much less of an opera called The Merry
          Widow. Was this a case of "Automatic Handwriting" or some-
          thing new; "Ambulatory Unconscious Handwriting".  %-0
Well, thar y'go.

DAN


Date: Tue, 13 Aug 
From: HowardCushATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V96 #84

Dan,

The depth of the sexual part is usually bypassed.  Forr me, it is has been
huge.  In fact, the K seems to use sex, and especially masturbation, as a
vehicle to move the energy.  At other times, thought, it has moved elsewhere
and left me without any sex drive at all.

I'd be happy to talk more about this with you, on the list or privately.  My
one question for you now is this:  when you've met these alternative types,
and also say that your marriage is completely monogomous, do you mean that
you do not participate in these gatherings?  If not, why are you there?  If
you feel like answering I have much to dialogue about on this topic.  Thanks,

Howard (HowardCushATNOSPAMAOL.COM)