Date: Thu, 25 Jul kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 67 

From: "A Psykick Warrior ov Gaia."
Subject: Re: Realms beyond crown

Somebody wanted info about realms beyond the crown chakra (soory, I can't remember your 
name; I'm having *that* kind of day). I'm not absoloutely sure what you mean but I've 
seen an article by Robert Bruce; Treatise on Projection ; which goes into great depths 
about all matters k. I know nothing about Robert Bruce and probably even less about k 
(i'm ever modest ya know :-) but this is a good article IMO.

Hav'nt got the url but type the title into 
http://metacrawler.cs.washington.edu:8080/index.html
and you should find it.


Date: Thu, 25 Jul 
From: Karol Ann Barnett
Subject: Re: The Book

Thanks for the reference Pam.  I'll add it to my reading list.
I'm reading KUNDALINI: EMPOWERING HUMAN REVOLUTION now which is 
a new book on Gopi Krishna's writings.

(i'm cc'ing the list, in case anyone else saw "stars")

BTW, you didn't mention how the K bashed you the other night.  Night 
before last, I observed a fascinating light show in my inner vision. 
Which is usual.  But last night....I got zapped big time and my inner 
vision went to snow just exactly like the TV does when the station ends 
programming.  Our brains really ARE being tuned to a higher frequency, 
apparently!  TTYL, Karol Ann


Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:57:
From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: A musical question

I'm not absolutely certain I understand your query, Barney, but I have 
experienced a kind of expanded thought where my genius really shines -- 
kind of like Barkley on his first Star Trek appearance when he gets 
zapped by the probe and becomes the most advanced human of all time.  I 
don't recall what I say during those moments, but I know that I am 
functioning at a very high level.  Unfortunately, it doesn't last very 
long.  *8-)  And I plummet back down to earth and into my limited self 
once again.  But I do believe that this kind of experience is 
preparatory, and that it will one day be the norm for all of us! Yes!


Date: Thu, 25 Jul
From: ijuster
Subject: re: twilight zone

>To: kundalini
>From: ijuster <>
>
>
>>
>>Felt quite struck, and somewhat chastened, by the remarks about the 
>>intelligence of kundalini and us being flimsy structures in a torrent.  
>>But feeble structure I am and so am awfully interested in what is 
>>happening to my body, especially sexually.  Gopi Krishna writes, 
>>somewhat obliquely, about what happens to men.  I'd like to hear from 
>>women.  For me, orgasm is not only exponentially more intense, but is 
>>now globalized throughout my body and beyond.  There is no longer any 
>>difference for me between eros and k.
>>
>>Holly
>>
>Dear Holly,
>
>As far as I know, the k has very different effects on different people
(this is hearsay), ranging from increasing the sex drive dramatically to
creating total lack of interest.
>
>For me personally I feel that my sex drive is within the "normal" range. (I
realize this is still a wide range.)
>

>
Here is a poem I wrote:

>The feeling of perfection flowing and coming through me
>floods my body,
>my heart, my mind,
>my soul.
>To reunite again and again and it's always as good.
>The bliss, the unconditional love
>Melting barriers, flooding with endorphins.
>Warm, fiery, I become a pure vehicle of this energy
>It rushes out of my temple and fills the space
>Powerful xrays
>of universal consciousness.
>Every day. Always. Thank you. 
>I love you. I love being with you.
>And I love your love of me.
>
>I guess I tend to think of myself as having a "kundalini drive" instead of
a sex drive. Really!
>
>Love, Patti


Date: Thu, 25 Jul 
From: ijuster
Subject: re: twilight zone

>
>Felt quite struck, and somewhat chastened, by the remarks about the 
>intelligence of kundalini and us being flimsy structures in a torrent.  
>But feeble structure I am and so am awfully interested in what is 
>happening to my body, especially sexually.  Gopi Krishna writes, 
>somewhat obliquely, about what happens to men.  I'd like to hear from 
>women.  For me, orgasm is not only exponentially more intense, but is 
>now globalized throughout my body and beyond.  There is no longer any 
>difference for me between eros and k.
>
>Holly
>
Dear Holly,

As far as I know, the k has very different effects on different people (this
is hearsay), ranging from increasing the sex drive dramatically to creating
total lack of interest.

For me personally I feel that my sex drive is within the "normal" range. (I
realize this is still a wide range.)


Here is a poem I wrote honoring this energy:

The feeling of perfection flowing and coming through me
floods my body,
my heart, my mind,
my soul.
To reunite again and again and it's always as good.
The bliss, the unconditional love
Melting barriers, flooding with endorphins.
Warm, fiery, I become a pure vehicle of this energy
It rushes in and out of my temple and fills the inner and outer spaces
Powerful xrays
of universal consciousness.
Every day. Always. Thank you. 
I love you. I love being with you.
And I love your love of me.

I guess I tend to think of myself as having an awakened "kundalini drive"
instead of a larger than normal sex drive. Really!

Love, Patti


Date: Thu, 25 Jul
From: ijuster
Subject: Re: Muladhara 

Von,

All day I had you in my consciousness. I was hoping that I had said what I
meant to say in a loving way, because I really did want to know more about you.

I was so happy to see your response. 

I don't have it all figured out either. Somehow, this list is really helpful
for me. AT times I'll say something, or think something as a reaction, and
realize, oh, that is what I think. 

I love hearing from everyone!!! I use this list to expand my heart, and my
mind, and my awareness. And I get powerful blasts of k from everyone.

Together we all make a great group of friends and supporters on a path that
seems very confusing at times.

I look forward to your sharing more of who you are.

Is it really a risk for all of us to share?....I know it is for me!

Love, Patti


Date: Thu, 25 Jul 
From: Richard Satin
Subject: Re: This list

Dear Patti (and Von),

Like you Patti, I was so moved by Von's post today; and was thinking about
him, and all of us on this list, at times all during the day.

I treasure this list - although at times I feel somewhat overwhelmed by the
"energy" of all of the posts together, and cannot read them for a time. 
Like you, I agree that we have seen created here a great community of
friends and supporters.  We may not always be of like mind - but certainly
we all seem to be of like heart.  And that goes for those who are here for
only a short time and then move on, as well.

You wrote, "Is it really a risk for all of us to share?....I know it is for
me!".  Yes of course.  It is for all of us.  

Love,
Richard

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul
From: ori^
Subject: Channeling

At 07:57 PM 7/25/96 -0700, Karol Ann Barnett wrote:
>I have experienced a kind of expanded thought where my genius really 
>shines --  I don't recall what I say during those moments, but I know 
>that I am functioning at a very high level.  Unfortunately, it doesn't 
>last very long.  *8-)  And I plummet back down to earth and into my 
>limited self once again.  But I do believe that this kind of experience 
>is preparatory, and that it will one day be the norm for all of us! Yes!

When I read this I found myself wondering if this might be an experience
of channeling... or what is called channeling.  Reaching those brilliant
peak moments when some very profound things are expressed.  For me, I
feel like it is a fleeting few moments of a connectedness with what 
might be called my higher self... but vocabulary is so lacking in this
area.  The energy does get flowing and reach a very high peak and 
thoughts seem to be more coherent than usual.  I've had a friend tell
me I'm channeling... I am not sure of this because even when the 
vocabulary is slightly different than mine, the concepts are all
within my grasp.

Where am I going with this?  why do I bring it up?  I don't know.
Maybe I just caught a similar wave of energy from Karol Ann's post.

>From being on this list I am beginning to think that many of my
experiences with energy over the last couple years have been 
either direct kundalini experiences or preliminary awakenings
toward a full kundalini experience.  I guess what is important
is not so much the label which is put on it, but the acknowledgement
that *something* is happening here.

ori^

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 
From: Raymond <>
Subject: Unidentified subject!

>Also the alta major which is at the base of the skull.  In the last year the
>high heart area (thymus) has been very active.  This one has been a major
>blessing as it seems to have been responsible for clearing up my many health
>problems.

>Other than the Fludd book did you find anything else useful?

Jule:

One book that I found especially helpful was "His Most Holy Trinsophia" by
Comte De Saint Germain (18th century).  Published by The Philosophical Research
Society.  But the writing is highly symbolic!  Every page of this book
references a specific western technique or principle. However, people without a
strong background in the western tradition and experience with k will find the
book unintelligible.  Two others are "The Comte De Cabile" and "Zononi." 
Zanoni concentrates more on philosophy than technique.

If you are asking about books to find info on the minor centers these will not
help.  At this moment I cannot think of any books that cover this subject in
detail.  Some Taoist books chart other centers, although some list readers will
find their methods extreme.  It sounds like you have already discovered most of
the centers I am aware of.

Do you know what triggered your k experience?

Has work with the eyes caused any temporary vision problems?

Raymond


Date: Thu, 25 Jul
From: Karol Ann Barnett
Subject: Re: Channeling

yes ori that is exactly what i think is happening to me when it happens 
-- channeling my Higher Self.  Thanks for sharing...karol ann


Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Muladhara 

Hi: Richard  /   Patti

It is interesting how you caught my feelings.  I can't say every thing
on-line, but you both did really great with your perception.  This mailing
list goes much deeper than what it appears on the surface. 

One thing that I have learned is how things just don't happen by chance.  Ram
Dass was telling a story about going to India one time.  He never saw his
Guru for many years. I think it was from 15 or 20 years.  He did not even
know were his Guru was at.  Ram Dass like us, thinks that every thing that
happens is because we made it happen our self.  Ram Dass was in a bus with
his group.  They were coming back on this bus from some kind of religious
festival going to their hotel rooms.   Ram Dass was in charge of the groups
itinerary.   On the way back they came to a fork in the road.  The driver
said lets go to the right and see if some kind of event was still going on.
 Ram Dass said," no lets go to left and go to the hotel because I am tired.
 It's been a long day."   The driver insisted, but Ram Dass already made the
group's itinerary and this event was not on his list. Also he was tired so he
said no again.  Then Ram Dass said to himself, "well, what kind of religious
person am I.  If the group wants to go to the right an see if this event is
still gong on then I guess I will let them go.  It will not take that long
anyway."  So the bus made the right turn.  They drove for a few minutes and
noticed that the event was over. The bus then made a stop and was getting
ready to turn around and go back to the hotel.  Ram Dass noticed two people
talking outside the bus window.  As he looked out the window he realized that
one of them was his Guru that he has not see for many years and in fact could
not find.  He ran out side the bus and kissed his Gurus feet ( Indian custom)
and was all excited and happy to see his Guru after so many years.  He said,"
where have you been as I was looking every place for you?"   His Guru said, "
yes I know and I has waiting for you.  Follow me to my my house as supper is
ready to be served for you and your group." They followed the Guru up the
hill with the bus behind.  When they reached the house they were greeted by
the servant.   She said," come inside as the Guru told me early this morning
to start cooking and have your meal ready when you arrived this evening for
you and your group."  There were place mats for exactly the right amount of
people that were in the group.  Ram Dass said to himself, " If the supper was
being prepared for us from early this morning then what am I when I told the
bus driver to turn right?". 

The meaning is that there is really nothing by chance that happens. Just
because we think that it is our own ideas and decisions.  Don't be so sure
about it!


Love,
Von 
     


 
Date: Fri, 26 Jul
From: "Roethel, Karen" 
Subject: Re: Realms beyond crown

I ran across my first reading of the K  in a book called "Earth." I believe 
the authors last name is Mirash...could be wrong on that. Her first book 
that I read is titled "Bringer of the Dawn." I'll double check over the 
weekend and let you know.

If anyone knows the author correct name....please share it with us. She is a 
fantastic writer. Her writings are from the Pleiadas.

Karen (Tex) in Boston
 ----------
Date: Thursday, July 25
From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: Channeling

Ori,
I wouldn't refer to your high peeks as channeling at all, that is when you
are out of the lower self and in tune to the higher, and reaching your
connection with divine will. It is when people are not focused on connecting
up with God's Will that they automatically assume that anything that is of a
higher nature is coming through a spirit rather then from God. This creates a
real illusion around the process, meditate and ask within yourself to bring
clarity about what is happening, and please remember that you are a
soul/spirit asking for union ... not with a force of equal value on the other
side but with one of absolute universal being, the creator of all. Meditate
on this, and share with us what happens. Gloria


Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: A musical question

Barney,
I started my experience with music at the age of 6, by 16 I had mastered my
instrument and played professionally and began to teach. After my awakening I
was no longer at peace with playing or teaching using what I call used music,
which is other peoples work, it was already solid and had lost the aliveness
to the moment. AT that time I begin to teach my students to tune in and feel
what was coming and asked them to take each song and reinterpret it from
another place inside. It was very interesting to watch my students begin to
do this, I then taught them chords and how simple it was to take a fake sheet
of music which is only a note and chords and move with it. Then the spirit
can work with you to interpret in spontanteous movement, meanwhile, my
experinece personally with music changed drastically. I put away all music
sheets and simply would enter chord projections, and then a melody would
surface, amazing chord structures would appear that would not normally
progress together. This was being alive to the moment and experiencing the
aliveness of music, this is also something that leaves one in awe at the
nature of sound, light, form, etc. I do believe this is the higher spirit/
music and will one day appear on earth. Gloria


Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:02:
From: ori^ <>
Subject: Author and book list

At 08:12 AM 7/26/96 E, Karen wrote:
>
>I ran across my first reading of the K  in a book called "Earth." I believe 
>the authors last name is Mirash...could be wrong on that. Her first book 
>that I read is titled "Bringer of the Dawn." I'll double check over the 
>weekend and let you know.
>
>If anyone knows the author correct name....please share it with us. 


Barbara Marciniak is the author you are thinking of.

This brings a thought to mind.  Has kundalini-l ever compiled a list
of books relating to kundalini?  I think this could be a valuable 
resource... and if it has not already been done, I would volunteer
to compile titles and authors sent to me.  I've seen many titles
listed in the time I've been subscribing, but had not thought to
compile them till now.

Sooo if you have favorite titles or authors, send them to me off-list
and I will compile and post the list and maybe see about getting it
posted on a web-site?  :)

ori^

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 
From: Richard Satin
Subject: Re: Author and book list


There is a booklist for the kundalini list, in a very rudimentary form at
http://www.execpc.com/~libra/booklist.html  I've been saving the posts and
book recommendations, and will add them hopefully soon to the book list.  

There are plans in the works to organise the books better, and to include
reviews by readers.  I will also modify the site to allow safe and private
purchasing directly from the web page, via a relationship set up with amazon
.com books.  The prices even with shipping are competitive with buying
locally.  Plus, the delivery time in the US is usually within a week.

If anyone has titles they have found particularly useful or interesting,
please consider posting them to the list, or to me privately.  Ori^, if you
would be interested in helping me, let me know.  I'd be very appreciative.

Richard

-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------

> 
> From: ori^                     \ Internet:    (mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com)
> 
> 
> At 08:12 AM 7/26/96 E, Karen wrote:
> >
> >I ran across my first reading of the K  in a book called "Earth." I
believe 
> >the authors last name is Mirash...could be wrong on that. Her first book 
> >that I read is titled "Bringer of the Dawn." I'll double check over the 
> >weekend and let you know.
> >
> >If anyone knows the author correct name....please share it with us. 
> 
> 
> Barbara Marciniak is the author you are thinking of.
> 
> This brings a thought to mind.  Has kundalini-l ever compiled a list
> of books relating to kundalini?  I think this could be a valuable 
> resource... and if it has not already been done, I would volunteer
> to compile titles and authors sent to me.  I've seen many titles
> listed in the time I've been subscribing, but had not thought to
> compile them till now.
> 
> Sooo if you have favorite titles or authors, send them to me off-list
> and I will compile and post the list and maybe see about getting it
> posted on a web-site?  :)
> 
> ori^
> 
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> 

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: re: musical question

Thank you Patti and Karol Ann.

Gloria:  Very interested in the transformation of how you receive 
music.  Music and dance have been central to my opening and, as a 
dancer, I went through much the same change about dance as you did with 
music.  I would say dance is prayer.

Holly


 
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:05:
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: From Jule--Various

I have been interested in Jewish Mystisism for a long time.  Is this what 
you were refering to when you said "Hebrew works"?  If so, do you have 
any suggestions about how or where to learn more about it?  Every thing 
I've been able to find so far has been of a historical nature.

John

On Thu, 25 Jul 1996 GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

> You asked where I get my information, I don't share anything unless I
> experience it myself. You can learn some about the higher centers through
> Hebrew works it is called the Ain Sof, or Limitless Light. My experience is
> that these higher centers connect you directly to working for humanity
> through divine will. And, once they are in operation there is much
> responsiblity that goes along with this consciousness. Is this what you were
> asking about? Gloria
> 
> 


Date: Fri, 26 Jul  
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Jewish Mysticism

Dear John,

The late Aryeh Kaplan published a number of excellent books - a few of which
might be of interest to you.  You might want to look at Jewish Meditation
for a start.

There are some other books by I believe a Rabbi Philip Berg.  He had (has?)
a lot of books out.  One was Kabbalah for the Layman.  For some reason they
didn't appeal to me when I saw them at a bookshop a few years ago.  But they
did seem very contemporary and specifically on Jewish Mysticism. 

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,
Richard
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Realms beyond crown - book title

The author is Barbara Marchiniak.  The two titles are :  Bringers of the
Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians  *and*  Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the
Living Library.

These books expanded my consciousness _ almost uncomfortably so _ and were
instrumental in the awakening of my kundalini also.  Bear and Crown Pub.  
10-13$ ATNOSPAM

Mary

>
>I ran across my first reading of the K  in a book called "Earth." I believe 
>the authors last name is Mirash...could be wrong on that. Her first book 
>that I read is titled "Bringer of the Dawn." I'll double check over the 
>weekend and let you know.
>
>If anyone knows the author correct name....please share it with us. She is a 
>fantastic writer. Her writings are from the Pleiadas.
>
>Karen (Tex) in Boston
> ----------
>
>Somebody wanted info about realms beyond the crown chakra (soory, I can't
>remember your
>name; I'm having *that* kind of day). I'm not absoloutely sure what you mean
>but I've
>seen an article by Robert Bruce; Treatise on Projection ; which goes into
>great depths
>about all matters k. I know nothing about Robert Bruce and probably even 
>less
>about k
>(i'm ever modest ya know :-) but this is a good article IMO.
>
>Hav'nt got the url but type the title into
>http://metacrawler.cs.washington.edu:8080/index.html
>and you should find it.
>
>
>


Date: 26 Jul 
From: DOROTHY BATES
Subject: Re: From Jule--Various

Jule: mailed book Friday, July 26.

Here is the poem I mentioned to you:

MAGDALENE AT 6O

Peter of the sullen face
hated all the female race.
Master kissed my mouth each day;
all the others turned away.

Of course, I was the first to see
him, as he'd always come to me;
inner voice and single eye
tell in Truth that death's a lie.

Though the years have made me old,
he has turned my days to gold.
While patient, I await his will,
joy consumes the winter's chill.

Where time and space do not exist,
once again my mouth is kissed.
In the darkening of the night,
when my body fills with light,

he loves me still.
********************************


 
Date: Fri, 26 Jul
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: Jewish Mysticism

In addition to the names Richard mentioned, look for Lawrence Kushner, 
Zalman Schachter-Shalomi and David Cooper.  The latter two are very 
active in the Jewish Renewal movement which is bringing back mysticism 
to Jewish observance, especially Reb Zalman.  There is a national 
organization to this end called Aleph.  Reb David has a book coming out 
soon on Kabbalah which should be excellent.

Holly


Date: Fri, 26 Jul
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: A song for those bad old "K" days

Jule-
Great song :D
Thanks for making me smile!
In Light and Love,
Lori