Date: Mon, 17 Jun kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 15 [1]: From: IAMBABACHUATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: love, medicine and kudalini Hello to all. First I want to thank everyone in this dialogue for your conversation. I feel a little nervous about speaking up on the line. My first experiences with the kundalini were in childhood. Since then I have had many phenomena, sometimes dramatic, sometimes illness, sometimes in synchronicites. My feeling is forming now that most of the time the negative phenomena happened when there was some kind of resistance in me. A closing down or contracting. I have found it difficult to believe that love could be my teacher and that I am worthy of her blessings. The fear or anticipation of pain being part of learning has filled me with trembling many times. Then the fear somehow set it up so that the love could not come through me with out some kind of symptom, or electrical display, or rash, or what ever. As I learn and study, everything seems to get so much easier and lighter. I still short things out from time to time, but it's not so dramatic as it used to be. When my thoughts get real wide sometimes I think that fear has been our teacher for too long. That generations of learning from fear and guilt and shame are being replaced. Today in my meditation the words "Love is the only teacher" came through. It was a very sweet moment. Thank you for being a community where I can share these insights and experiences I have a few thoughts on homeopathy, and Bill and who ever is fatigued with this conversation please delete. sometimes people prove homeopathic remedies. Very sensitive people will react with an over dose reaction to a homeopathic dose. I am one of those fortunate? people who can prove a remedy now and again. What heals us is part of the great mysteries. We are so much more than our dense physical bodies. I don't know what level homeopathy works with exactly. Perhaps it becomes a manifestation of meditation or intention. Any way I am stumbling about trying to say that I don't understand how it works. But I know it can work. Remedies have been used for generations on all ages of people. That is not to say that all of what is being sold out there is valid medicine. Since we are all going through such unique phases in our growth what works for one may not work for another. Or even have the same effect from time to time. my best to all baba [2]: From: Carlo IzzoSubject: homeopathy, etc. > Patti wrote: > On homeopathy: > Carlo, I understand and share some of your skepticism. I live with doctors. > Still, if I have looked at a person who has 2 eyes and seen a third one pop > out, and move into the center of his forehead. Twice! What do you exactly mean? > > So after things like this, the stories we hear on this list, (pretty > amazing, don't you think) Yes, I think so, and I have seen it happening to Zana, and I am amazed. > and my own interesting other things happening to > me, I find a part of my mind always open to things--like the > homeopathy--that are beyond rational sense. In fact, the older I get, the > more I feel anb sense all sorts of things that cannot be explained by reason > alone. If I see a third eye pop out, and move into the center of somebody's forehead, I believe it. But this doesn't mean that I believe in flying donkeys: I have to see one first. Ciao, Carlo [3]: From: Richard Satin Subject: Web Site of Interest: Love Letters to the World Dear Listmembers, This was sent to me, and might be of interest to some or all on the kundalini list. Richard ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Date: Sunday, 16-Jun-96 04:53 PM From: Editorial & Volunteer Staff \ Internet: (friendsATNOSPAMscruznet.com) To: Richard Satin \ Internet: (libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com) Subject: Love Letters to the World Dear Richard, This very moment, there are people, all over the world who need hear words of kindness and support. People in Russia, Africa, Bosnia, India, Europe, China, the Americas, the Middle East, people everywhere. Still others may be your friends, your family, your colleagues or acquaintances. Some may be people you have not seen for years, and yes, perhaps some you have even thought of as your enemies or adversaries. And then there are the billions of people all over the world, each one living, feeling, and breathing, just as you are this very instant, who you may never see face-to-face, but about whom you may think and care from time to time. This does not require money, and in a sense, it's not even about words. It's about the compassion and understanding behind the words, which exists in all human beings, yet rarely gets expressed. Never before has there been such a massive opportunity to reach out with a hand of friendship, of forgiveness, reconciliation and healing, of universal and unconditional love. So exactly what is this all about? 21st Century Renaissance (http://www.dawn21.com), a new Web journal dedicated to the happiness, peace and freedom from suffering of all beings everywhere, is sponsoring a project entitled "Love Letters to the World," offering virtually anyone and everyone an opportunity to help heal the world by writing to people they care about, often in cases where it would be difficult or impossible to locate the recipient. All letters that are genuinely caring will be published, unedited, where those to whom they are addressed can find them. This is particularly timely in that we have just been invited to create a "21st Century Renaissance" category for the WWW Virtual Library (founded by Tim Berners-Lee, one of the co-inventers of the Web), one of Cyberspace's most popular browsing rooms. "Love Letters to the World" will be one of the central features of that section, also. We also invite you to visit our journal and explore our pages and articles, including: *Articles, Features and Retreats with our own deeply beloved spiritual advisor and friend, Scott Morrison (http://www.scruznet.com/~friends/21CR.html) *References to the works of other 20th Century mystics, sages, scientists, Zen masters and philosophers, including Gangaji, Thich Nhat Hanh, David Bohm, Toni Packer, Jiddu Krishnamurti, Joanna Macy, George Gurdjieff, the Dalai Lama, Papaji, Achaan Chah, Suzuki Roshi, Katagiri Roshi, Ramana Maharshi, Buckminister Fuller, Daniel Goleman, and Ken Wilber *DNA Music by composer and National Public Radio commentator Susan Alexjander *In the Spirit by Interfaith Seminary's Aaron Zerah *A Declaration of The Independence of Cyberspace by John Perry Barlow, Internet Pioneer and Electronic Frontiers Foundation guiding spirit *Commentaries on the Real World *Political Therapy *Love, Sex, Honesty, and Wisdom *The ALL and EVERYTHING Directories *This Precious Earth *The Passionate Livelihood: Work as an Expression of Creativity, Love and Wisdom *Science and Mysticism *Intimate and Sacred Poetry Next month's new features will include: *Lovin'Ways (In Celebration of Unconditional Affection and Compassion) a dialogue between Dominique Van Zandt, a lesbian who also loves men, and Scott Morrison, an American Bodhisattva who simply loves everyone. *One Breath at a Time (Spiritual Awakening, especially for People in Recovery) *Cooperative Free Enterprise (How all of us can collaborate, feed and support each other on the Web as well as in the world at large) With one of the most loyal and fastest growing followings on the Web, we are currently registering thousands of visits a day, and doubling in size every 4-7 weeks. If you are interested in taking advantage of our growing popularity and increasing your own exposure, please check out our advertising page, http://www.scruznet.com/~friends/HelpLinks.html (Deadline on special rates is Monday, June 31, 1996. You may e-mail space reservations.) Finally, please add us to your mailing list to keep us informed of coming activities. If there is any other way we can be of assistance to you, please feel free to write or call. Good luck to you! We sincerely hope this serves you well! In lovingkindness, Jodi McLaughlin Special Projects Director ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- -- ==== libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com ==== http://www.execpc.com/~libra/ ==== Death is patiently making my mask as I sleep. Each morning I awake to discover in the corners of my eyes the small tears of his wax. -Philip Dow [4]: From: Mark Rivera Subject: In need of prayers from all, Help! Help I needc prayers. My dog, Brownie, who is 14 years old, is very sick. He's in terrible pain. I fear I may have to have him put to sleep. I have received shaktipat and am praying for him too. If anyone would please remember my dog, Brownie in their prayers or could give me any healing advice I will be eternally grateful. Mantras, etc. Sincerely, Mark Rivera [5]: From: CKRESSATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Strange skin excretions On June 15, Alex Goolsby mentioned he had a friend whose skin exuded a blue substance while in deep meditation. I have no idea what it was, but I wonder if there is some esoteric connection to Krishna and other blue-skinned deities. Many mythological stories allude to "secret" spiritual processes. Any ideas about this? I know of a woman with risen Kundalini whose skin -- over her entire body -- exuded a blackish substance for several weeks. She said it had the texture of cobwebs and could be easily rubbed off. El [6]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: k-volcanoes and heart centers Karol Ann, HI, back problems are probably one of the most frequent experiences with kundalini. With all that energy moving in the subtle body it does effect the spine. I've learned through experience certain things that help relieve the condition. Remember I've had 3 back surgeries, and I'm in better shape now then I was in my 20's and 30's. First sit straight even in your relaxing time. This keeps your energy moving up. Then come with a form of exercise that is your own. I think it is important to find that from within because your body will tell you what you can and can not do. I needed something to increase my heart beat and make the back muscles stronger. It works wonders. The other things to observe is a particular thought or emotion is being processed. For instance material worries or desires causes a lower back pain. Just as soon as you recognize the thought or emotion, fear or anxiety, it will go. AT least that has been my experience, and working with the people here it has always manifested in the same way. Gloria [7]: From: Iver Juster Subject: Man with third eye Carlo: We have here in the west an interesting model, called western medicine. There is no place for homeopathy here, it doesn't make sense. But if you study accuppuncture, it does not make sense either by western standards. Even their concept of things like a "liver" is not a liver like we know it, but some sort of system of meridians, etc. So if you believe what you see, fine. If you believe what others report as their experience, then homeopathy must start sounding more intriguing, yes? Perhaps you, like me, wind up on the fence? I feel I have an open mind, willing to try things for myself that have worked for others. ............. As for the man with the three eyes, I looked into this man's eyes once, no twice, while taking a cross-country hike with him up in the mountains. I was alone at a hot springs natural resort. I had asked him to join me (for safety reasons) on a hike. We hiked and laughed and played. He had a long white beard. (He turned out to be a siddha yoga follower). After hours of hiking, while taking a rest, he looked me in the eyes, at my request, (even demand, for at first he hesistated strongly.) That is when I saw the 3rd eye appear. Speechless, I asked him to do it again. I saw it come right out of his left eye and into the middle of his forehead. Stunned, I asked if he had a message for me. (My mind was blown now-- I was a money manager at this point in my life, and a pretty conservative person.) I was not a believer in the weird part of life. "Yes" he said. ............................"There is no message. That is the message. Enjoy life, it is a gift. The light that Jesus and others carried has never gone out. That would not have been a loving thing to do, let the light go out, so the light has been kept alive. Enjoy your every moment of this precious gift of life. You owe nothing, just live fully." I enjoyed the message but didn't think a whole lot about this incident afterwards. A year and a half later, I had the spontaneous, full blown awakening. I remembered this event only several years later. Once I figured out that I had had a k-awakening, people were curious as to how. I had no idea, none, until, I remembered this incident. To this day I suspect I received shaktipat. (Some "safe" hike, huh?)! [8]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: love, medicine and kudalini Thanks, baba. Gloria [9]: From: Richard Satin Subject: Anon: Re: Strange skin excretions Following is a post from a list member who wishes to remain anonymous. (If any of you ever wish to post, but are a bit hesitant, this may be an option for you. Simply send me your post, indicating this and I will forward. -RAS) Dear Richard, Richard, my guru told me not to mention my state to anyone. I would be grateful if you could please post the following on my behalf without mentioning my name and my email address (Its non-controversial, I hope! Otherwise, please don't bother.). >On June 15, Alex Goolsby mentioned he had a friend whose skin exuded a blue >substance while in deep meditation. I have no idea what it was, but I wonder >if there is some esoteric connection to Krishna and other blue-skinned >deities. Many mythological stories allude to "secret" spiritual processes. > Any ideas about this? You are probably right. One of Shiva's 1008 names is niilakanTha (niila = blue, kanTha = neck). During the churning of the ocean (=saagara manthan, saagara = ocean & manthana = churning), which is probably an allegorical myth pertaining to the rising of the K, there came a vessel (I think) full of poison (vishha) and this was going to poison the three worlds (cf 3 naadis for the rising of kundalinii shaktii!). Then Shiva undertook to drink it as he is 'out of Time'. The poison made his throat look blue, hence the name niilakanTha. Kaalii maataa is dark blue/dark. Kaali means dark as well as the Mistress controlling Time. There are 7 (!)forms of Kaalii. Hope this helps. -- ==== libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com ==== http://www.execpc.com/~libra/ ==== Beauty is one of the rare things that do not lead to doubt of God. -Jean Anouilh [10]: From: IAMBABACHUATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: In need of prayers from all, Help! many prayers for both of you. [11]: From: Jai1008ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: hey Richard Forgive me for being to lazy to look up you personal address--I have a formatting question about our list--could it be done in such a way that rather than posts coming identified as Kundalinin-l only they could also have the name (computer name) of the sender, either in the header or when it actually show up in my mail box (probably the former). It seems this sometimes occurs, and I can tell who wrote what by looking at the header, but sometimes it doesn't (?or maybe I am just out of it and missing it?). For those of us who do not like to address and sign all/each of our remarks with a name, it would be much easier. [12]: From: Jai1008ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: lip wierdness Karole Ann (sp?)--I get a strange lip twitch as well. When I am very relaxed upon entering an altered state of mind/body, maybe dropping down into theta or below, my lip curls. It is very animal feeling--like a snarl, the bottom/top part of my lip, on the right side of my mouth, snarls, curls, and occasionally even goes numb while doing so, or drips saliva....it's kind of odd, but it feels really good to the rest of me when it happens. [13]: From: Jai1008ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: migraines etc. The universe is my source and my supply--maybe the water broker needs it more than I? i know it will be replaced. [14]: From: Richard Satin Subject: Re: hey Richard > could it be done in such a way that > rather than posts coming identified as Kundalinin-l only they could also have > the name (computer name) of the sender Dear Jennifer, It should be that the posts you receive from the list have the sender in the header. (As the from: line). It may be that your mailreader is filtering the information out, thinking that the latest information is the most important. If you send me examples of posts you have received which seem to be formatted differently, I'll take a look and try to determine what's going on. If anyone else has noticed anything inconsistent regarding headers, please let me know (off line). Thanks, Richard -- libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/ ............................................................................ Don't knock on Death's door. Just ring the bell and run. He hates that. [15]: From: Carlo Izzo Subject: Man with third eye > > Carlo: > > We have here in the west an interesting model, called western medicine. It is called "medicine". And it works very well... It is based on the principle of repeating an experiment: you do so and so, and it happens again. It is not a matter of opinion. All our life, consciousness, reality, is based on a consistent possibility of repeating something. Without repetition even memory itself wouldn't be possible. To remember things, I mean. The phone wouldn't work, the plane wouldn't fly, our legs wouldn't walk, kundalini wouldn't rise. > There is no place for homeopathy here, it doesn't make sense. But if you > study accuppuncture, it does not make sense either by western standards. They are not "western" standards. They are universal standards. All we are asking is to be able to repeat something. To reproduce it. To see that we can do it again. Who needs something that can be done just once - maybe? Who needs a phone that works just once per year - at a random day? This is not just a mere convention: homeopathy has been tested - and it didn't work beyond the placebo effect. Agopuncture has been tested - and it didn't work as well. Therefore - such things don't work. It's as simple as that. > Even their concept of things like a "liver" is not a liver like we know it, > but some sort of system of meridians, etc. So if you believe what you see, > fine. If you believe what others report as their experience, then homeopathy > must start sounding more intriguing, yes? It doesn't matter at all how it sounds - it matters that it works. If homeophaty worked, it would be part of the "western" medicine. There is no physician who is against something that works. It is not necessary to understand - it is just necessary that it works: nobody knows why aspirin works - but it works, it has been tested in serious double blind experiments, and it works well beyond the placebo effect. Therefore, aspirin is not a hoax. > Perhaps you, like me, wind up on > the fence? I feel I have an open mind, willing to try things for myself that > have worked for others. I think I have an open mind. This doesn't mean that I swallow anything I am told about. > ............. > > As for the man with the three eyes, I looked into this man's eyes once, no > twice, while taking a cross-country hike with him up in the mountains. I was > alone at a hot springs natural resort. I had asked him to join me (for > safety reasons) on a hike. > > We hiked and laughed and played. He had a long white beard. (He turned out > to be a siddha yoga follower). After hours of hiking, while taking a rest, > he looked me in the eyes, at my request, (even demand, for at first he > hesistated strongly.) That is when I saw the 3rd eye appear. Speechless, I > asked him to do it again. I saw it come right out of his left eye and into > the middle of his forehead. Stunned, I asked if he had a message for me. (My > mind was blown now-- I was a money manager at this point in my life, and a > pretty conservative person.) I was not a believer in the weird part of life. > > "Yes" he said. ............................"There is no message. That is > the message. Enjoy life, it is a gift. The light that Jesus and others > carried has never gone out. That would not have been a loving thing to do, > let the light go out, so the light has been kept alive. Enjoy your every > moment of this precious gift of life. You owe nothing, just live fully." I > enjoyed the message but didn't think a whole lot about this incident > afterwards. A year and a half later, I had the spontaneous, full blown > awakening. > > I remembered this event only several years later. Once I figured out that I > had had a k-awakening, people were curious as to how. I had no idea, none, > until, I remembered this incident. To this day I suspect I received > shaktipat. (Some "safe" hike, huh?)! > This is very interesting. I don't know what to say... Ciao, Carlo [16]: From: jtracyATNOSPAMhalcyon.com (Jean Tracy) Subject: Re: migraines etc. In responds to Iver: > >I am going to have to see a neurologist in order to keep receiving the >medication, etc. I am wondering, what on earth do I tell him or her? I am a >little nervous about having my health record look weird, or being considered >a weirdo. > You know, this is a major problem. At the KRN conference, two years ago?, they announced that Kundalini was in the new DMR-IV - a thick book that therapists and doctors use to diagnose patients. Many doctors do not know what it is and prescribe drugs to make it go away. I stuck to alternative health practitioners - like accupuncture and homeopathy because they always knew of what I was talking about. [17]: From: Richard Satin Subject: Homeopathy... Dear Carlo and everyone else, I didn't want to break in here, but I should say that homeopathy has a long (and respected, at least in some quarters) heritage going back before 1900. It is repeatable, and hence is respected by at least some honest scientists here in the US. Classically trained physicians have written books about it (e.g. Mendelsohn and others). That's not to say that the actual medicine contains any currently traceable remnants of the original substance. It does not. This is what seems to cause so much commotion. Interestingly, in the early years of this century both homeopathy and allopathy were strongly represented. The homeopaths were actually more successful materially and in popularity with the public. In an effort to drive them out of business, the allopaths banded together and formed the AMA - which did everything it could to brand homeopathy quackery. The AMA wasted no time in closing the homeopathic medical schools, and establishing itself as the authority in terms of what was "acceptable" medical practice. In many developing countries (which cannot afford western medicine), homeopathy has a long successful track record. All of these things are provable, and in the public domain. Have we beaten this poor old horse to death yet? Richard -- libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/ ............................................................................ One’s destination is never a place but rather a new way of looking at things. -Henry Miller [18]: From: pettyATNOSPAMjpp-ws.sharpwa.com (John Petty) Subject: re: Man with third eye Damn! This is something! > We hiked and laughed and played. He had a long white beard. (He turned out > to be a siddha yoga follower). After hours of hiking, while taking a rest, > he looked me in the eyes, at my request, (even demand, for at first he > hesistated strongly.) That is when I saw the 3rd eye appear. Speechless, I > asked him to do it again. I saw it come right out of his left eye and into > the middle of his forehead. Stunned, I asked if he had a message for me. (My > mind was blown now-- I was a money manager at this point in my life, and a > pretty conservative person.) I was not a believer in the weird part of life. After reading this I just have to share what happened to me in a dream... or was it a vision?? ----- I'm sitting in this resturaunt waiting for a pizza to be cooked. It's the middle of the night, yet the place has lots of customers. A man sits down at my table with a woman and child and starts repeating over and over, "Jimmy crack corn and I don't care". I think that there must be something mentally wrong with him. He seems harmless so I stay put. A bum/vagrant walks by the table and stops to look at me. I smile, then he says, "It's a sad drizzly day isn't it?" (I'd never heard that phrase used about the weather before?).. and then he said a few other things to me. Suddenly, I realize that he's clairvoyant and is reading me. Then, as I looked at him a beautiful eye appeared in the middle of his forehead. My body began to hiss/ring at a very high pitch and I turned away. When I looked back the eye was gone, but reappeared within a few seconds. My body once again began to ring with intense energy and every- thing went blank .. or was it white. I woke up in bed gasping and moaning from the intensity. ---- Like the first paragraph, I watched as the third eye came out of the eye on the left side of his face (his right eye) and moved to the center of his forehead. It was pure and beautiful to look at... and much larger than our physical eyes, I'd say about 2 1/2 to 3 inches wide. Since that time my ears and body have continued to ring at the same frequency. There seem to be two of them. One that is more audible and the other that is more like a high pitched hiss that is centered in the spine and head. When I worked up the courage to tell my Jungian analyst about this I thought that he was going to fall out of his chair. Then he asked, "Do you know what the next line of "Jimmy Crack Corn" is?" I stopped and searched in vain and finally replied, "No." He said, the next line of the song is: "My master's gone away." When he said that, _I_ almost fell out of my chair. I'd never heard of Shaktipat until last week when I read about it in a book, but I'd be willing to bet... What else could explain it? John [19]: From: "Debee L. Thomas" To: Richard Satin Subject: Re: Homeopathy... > All of these things are provable, and in the public domain. > > Have we beaten this poor old horse to death yet? One last comment on the Homeopathy issue please? (ducking) For those interested in Homeopathy, there is a mail list just like this you can join and become very active in posting on this very subject at: homeopathy-requestATNOSPAMlyghtforce.com and in the first line of your message type the following: JOIN homeopathy internetATNOSPAMaddress Blessed Be Debee