[1]: From: Iver Juster <>
Subject: electronmagetic energy fields

Hi Gloria. Thanks so much for your concern. 

I do think my headaches--migraines-- are caused by my hormones going crazy
and having reactions. I say this becuase: I can be in a great mood, and if I
am having my period, I can have all kinds of problems. If it is not that
time of the month, I can withstand all sorts of negative stress, no problems
at all. (By the way, the migraines began with my kundalini awakening 11
years ago...they first started then; only in the last 3 years have they
gotten progressively more intense.

An interesting note about the magnets: I think that is an interesting thing
to study. My husband and I have been going to Sedona AZ every year for
several years. In all but one instance, I never had a migraine there, even
when it was meant to be a problem time of the month. We are certain by this
point that it is the electro magnetic field, having ruled out other things
one by one. (Just cannot explain the one occurance).  Sedona is on top of a
huge electromagnetic field. I like the magnet concept. I also have tried
homeopathy a long time ago, perhaps had limited success.  Based on what
responses I have gotten am going to try this again. It seems so much more in
line with the k-forces. 

By the way our roomate is an MD and I have talked to him at lenth about the
k. He is fascinated but at a loss to help any more than he has already. He
will be the first to tell me that MD's will have a pretty hard time
understanding this stuff. He is very openminded, and has done lots of pure
medical research for me on the subject. He loves the connection between the
electromagnetic fields and the migraines and thinks there may be something
to this.

Thanks everyone for your responses. I am pretty amazed at the outpouring of
love and concern, and certainly hope that others are also getting lots of
good ideas from all this discussion....

Love to all, Patti


 [2]: From: Pat Welsh <>
Subject: electronmagetic energy fields

Iver Juster wrote:

>By the way our roomate is an MD and I have talked to him at lenth about the
k. He is fascinated but at a loss to help any more than he has already. He
will be the first to tell me that MD's will have a pretty hard time
understanding this stuff. He is very openminded, and has done lots of pure
medical research for me on the subject. He loves the connection between the
electromagnetic fields and the migraines and thinks there may be something
>to this.
>



Do you think The International Society for the Study of Subtle Energy
Medicine (? ISSEEM, located in Boulder CO) would be interested in our
discussions, etc.?  They're too expensive for me to even afford yearly dues
(for their newsletter)--but your MD roommate might be interested.  They have
an annual conference, I think.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
S. Patricia Welsh
Program Assistant
General Services Administration
Crown 1-223
Evanston Campus 1121
(847) 467-2465
e-mail: 


 [3]: From: Mary Knapp <>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, John Petty wrote:

in part

> I'm normally very open and willing to share, but lately I've had a sense
> of caution... so I will wait till another time to share my story.  Also,
> since the chaos of kundalini began, my enthusiasm and hunger for spirit-
> ual growth has dampened somewhat.  Here I sit at work with my body
> singing at a very high pitch and I can hardly bring myself to follow
> through with my responsibilities.  I find some comfort knowing that
> this is something I did not specifically ask for.  It was given to me
> by those who must have felt that I was ready.  Still, my faith, moods,
> and emotions ping-pong all over and I sometimes think about how things
> used to be.  I've had no bliss, but mostly periods of gut-wrenching
> sobbing.  I think that I've made it through the period where it felt
> like I was dying and going insane.  My heart goes out to those who
> stumble upon this with little preparation.
> 
> Sincerely,
> John
> 

For What it's worth...

I certainly felt I had stumbled upon this with little preparation. 
Once I had given it a name - kundalini - I said OK.  Believing that my
free will is always operating, I agreed I was willing as long as the
symptoms could be mild.  They did not seems so for some time.  One day I
was tightening the finial on my bedside lamp for the umteenth time (things
around me shook and vibrated as much as I did at the time) I felt my
energies tone down as well.  This was shortly after asking a prayer group
to request the same for me. I believe these energies can be modified
somewhat.

Welcome here to this list.

Mary


 [4]: From: Mary Knapp <>
Subject: Re: -visions-&-itching

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Karol Ann Barnett wrote:

> Snowbird:
> 
> I have spontaneous visions as well.
> 
> I have not seen The EYe that you described, but have 
> 
> THe worst symptom I have had thus far is the dreaded itching.  It 
> took me years to understand that it was a build-up of static energy.
> But before I understood what it was, I was up all night in misery.
> Thank goodness, that part is over.  
> 
> Karol Ann
> 

The very first time I meditated I saw an eye.  It was grey and I likened
it to a whale's eye.  Now I see blue quite often, sometimes every few
minutes.  Silver white lights are denser and move faster.  These can
occurr daily during any activity.  I do think my thoughts and emotions are
fairly pure or high when they manifest however.  My favorite light
manifestation has been the kind where I have to keep checking to make sure
it's not raining indoors!  These have all ocurred pre and post kundalini.

OK, so if the dreaded itching ( and it is just terrible, my worst symptom
yet ) is a build up of static enery, how does one alleviate it???  I
finally took a heavy duty antihistimine but would have prefered something
more natural or self directed. All suggestions are welcome.

Thank you,
Mary


 [5]: From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: -visions-&-itching

Hi Mary:

> > 
> 
> The very first time I meditated I saw an eye.  It was grey and I likened
> it to a whale's eye. 


Well, now that's really incredible.  Very early this morning I had a 
vision of a pair of eyes just like you have described above.  My 
impression was that they were bird-like.  I still don't know what they 
were or why they presented.

> 
> OK, so if the dreaded itching ( and it is just terrible, my worst symptom
> yet ) is a build up of static enery, how does one alleviate it???  I
> finally took a heavy duty antihistimine but would have prefered something
> more natural or self directed. All suggestions are welcome.
> 
These things have worked for me at various times:

* take a cool shower
* ground the energy by holding a powerful magnet that has
  some kind of cord attached to it and the other end of 
  the cord is buried in the ground
* have someone rub their hands together and then while
  you are lying down, have them run their hands over 
  your body (about 2 " from the body) in a downward motion
* do something creative like paint, draw, sing, etc

Hope these help,

Karol Ann


 [6]: From: Mary Knapp <>
Subject: Re: electronmagetic energy fields

On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Pat Welsh wrote:

> Do you think The International Society for the Study of Subtle Energy
> Medicine (? ISSEEM, located in Boulder CO) would be interested in our
> discussions, etc.?  They're too expensive for me to even afford yearly dues
> (for their newsletter)--but your MD roommate might be interested.  They have
> an annual conference, I think.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> S. Patricia Welsh


Patricia, 

I never heard of this organization.  Do they have a web site?  Do they
have any publications that might be available in libraries or bookstores?
I would like to know more about it if you have the time to post.  TIA

Mary


 [7]: From: vetfindATNOSPAMinteraccess.com (Judy Kavanaugh)
Subject: itching, etc.

Hi everyone,

I have found that grounding myself helps a lot.  Any kind of physical
exercise, work or outdoor activity generally lessens the symptoms.  Also,
any kind of non-spiritual mental activity also helps.  Sometimes it is easy
to become totally enveloped in the kundalini mystique to the exclusion of so
much else in the physical world.  When my itching gets too overwhelming, I
look to the physical for relief and it generally helps. Sometimes if you are
outside you can visualize the excess energy moving down through your body to
the earth below to be purified.  That has worked for me a number of times.

Speaking of excess energy, has anyone had any experience with your energy
shorting out your computer or keyboards?  I have gone through three
keyboards in ten days and there is nothing wrong with my computer.  I also
have electrical disturbances with my computer at work only when I am using
it.  When anyone else uses it, it works fine.  The MIS guys are going nuts
with this one.  Also, if anyone has had similar experiences, what did you do
to solve the problem.  This many keyboards certainly disrupts the budget,
big time.

Judy

What about blowing out light bulbs?  I go through about 5-8 a week around my
house.


 [8]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: electronmagetic energy fields

Hi, 
I'm not familiar with that organization, but it certainly doesn't hurt to
communicate. Go for it. Gloria


 [9]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

John and Mary,
The most comfortable position to ride kundalini is to just be open. Which
means you don't push to increase what's happening, but you also don't block
it. Either extreme causes ractions. You know good old cause and effect. But,
when you are simply open and the observer, then you are in the right space to
move with the flow, so to speak.  Then gradually an inner calm will come on.
Gloria


[10]: From: CKRESSATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Local contacts

Anyone who wants to contact people in their area with Kundalini or other
spiritual emergence experience by phone can request "Compassionate Listener"
phone numbers from SEN senATNOSPAMcruzio.com

There are also regional SEN co-ordinators throughout the U.S. and in some
other countries as well.  In answer to John, the Oregon center in Eugene
(OSEN) can be reached at (541) 998-4860.  There is no regional group yet in
Portland to my knowledge.

El


[11]: From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Re: itching, etc.

Yeah, Judy, I've had trouble with my computer too, but nothing like what 
you're experiencing.  Last year, my terminal nearly caught fire.  I've 
never heard of that happening before.  During specific energy surges, I 
have blown a bulb or two in my time.  

It seems that the answer to all the symptoms depends on removing 
blockages, allowing the energy to flow, and ground.  

Karol Ann


 
[12]: From: jenny.hillATNOSPAMmail.utexas.edu (Jennifer Hill)
Subject: unconditional love

To Carlo, KarolAnn said:

>> If you don't not believe in unconditional
>> Love, then it certainly will not exist for you.

I'm thinking that if it's truly unconditional love, that belief in it isn't 
a requirement for it to be available to someone, i.e., unconditional love is 
always there for anyone, at any time, without any cause, whether they 
believe it or not. 

I'm guessing that what you meant, Karol Ann, was that if one doesn't believe 
in it, then one won't experience it-- a reasonable assumption.  However, I'd 
like to say that I experienced it before I really believed in it, because 
someone persisted in showing it to me despite my disbelief. (thank goodness!)

 Eventually I came to see the logic of a condition that could exist which 
might very well be called "unconditional love". I prefer to think of it 
instead as "love without the impairment of damage to the psyche". I think it 
is whatever unhealed damage we still carry that causes us to feel that there 
are limits on how much we can love any other person. 

I think, too, Carlo, that it is probably a societally inflicted form of 
damage that instills in us the idea that ANYONE might NOT have  value, or 
that we might have to do or be any particular thing to have or earn value. 
I'm not sure that's what you were saying here:

>Of course... I love a person for his/her value, and I am >loved for mine. 
And I am proud of it: I don't want anything >for free - I know I can't. 

However, I also understand the idea of not wanting someone to say they love 
me before they really know me; like from some sort of "oh, I love everyone" 
(said in a kind of blissed out trippy voice) kind of mindset. Real love, to 
me, is about the nitty gritty, when someone knows me and my "flaws" and my 
gifts, and my accomplishments,  and loves me with those flaws and gifts, and 
without them. 
 

thanks to you both for this discussion

Jenny

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Bureau of Business Research, UT Austin, PO Box 7459, Austin TX 78713-7459
email: jenny.hillATNOSPAMmail.utexas.edu  512-475-7805 or 512-475-7807


[13]: From: Melissa Ann Fornof <>
Subject: Attaining Kundalini

This makes the third or more time I have read on this list that people 
should not attempt to attain, speed up, slow down, or otherwise attempt 
to control Kundalini.  Well, what are all those breathing exercises and 
Yoga postures and such meditations for if not to somehow enhance 
Kundalini?  To me, such practices are for one or more of those reasons, 
and certainly not just "letting it happen."  Also, from everything I've 
read, spontaneous awakenings are a fairly recent phenomena.  In times 
past, from my readings, I gather that just about the ONLY way to attain 
Kundalini was through meditative/Yogic practices.  Some of the "masters" 
of the field like Gopi Krishna attained it in this manner, following 
teachings and exercises of his mentor (if I remember correctly--I may be 
getting Gopi confused with another master I've read of.).  So, I don't 
see how anyone can say that it is wrong, bad, questionable, or 
inadvisable for a person to attempt to awaken Kundalini with these 
practices.  Also, when one meditates or visualizes to ease Kundalini 
symptoms, isn't that a form of control?  Sure, it's not the same as 
trying to direct every movement or stop it altogether, but it is control 
none the less, in my opinion.  So, I believe the statements I've heard 
about not trying to attain or control Kundalini are a bit harsh.  
Understandably, one SHOULD exercise caution when playing with an "atomic 
bomb," so I understand the comments and am not offended.  I just don't 
think they are 100% true.  I welcome comments.

Melissa


 
[14]: From: jenny.hillATNOSPAMmail.utexas.edu (Jennifer Hill)
Subject: I guess this has been going on longer than I thought

Hi all--
 
>THe worst symptom I have had thus far is the dreaded itching. (from Karole Ann)

> I've had no bliss, but mostly periods of gut-wrenching
sobbing.  I think that I've made it through the period where it felt
like I was dying and going insane.  My heart goes out to those who
stumble upon this with little preparation. from John Petty

> That evening, I was just drifting off to sleep when I had the
sensation that my body was spinning rapidly - sort of like a pig on a spit. 
from Jean Tracy

>Most often the visions are accompanied by 
>a strong jolt and a loud "pop" sound that I hear and feel internally.


 I've had all these  and more going on for a long time and I've just 
realized after reading everyone's posts that kundalini has been working in 
my life for a long time, and certainly began to manifest 12 years ago when I 
first started learning to do enery work. Since I'd only heard about the very 
dramatic spine-shaking, vision-seeing extremes, I didn't realize that long 
before I had that kind of  experience, kundalini was already moving. 

I remember when I went through my first Reiki initiation, I had such intense 
unbearable itching that night that I almost went to the hospital. The only 
thing that kept me from going was that I knew it had something to do with 
the Reiki energy. My Reiki master was brand new at being a master and had 
never encountered the itching phenomena. I look back on it now and am pretty 
sure it was a major release of toxins that my body had been storing, and 
they went straight out from the lymph nodes, fat cells and liver to my skin. 
I also had a huge herpes cold sore that erupted on my mouth that same night; 
so fast it looked like time-lapse photography. I knew that the herpes virus 
lives dormant in the lower spinal chord ( that's how it gets it's name 
"herpes" it's from the greek word for "snake" because it lives hiding in the 
spinal column like a snake!) and so I figured that the Reiki energy moving 
in my spine had disturbed the herpes. (has anyone else had a herpes outbreak 
with K movement?)

I had the sobbing and other releases for years before I found help with them 
and it was really hard, but somehow I always knew it was OK. I was so 
relieved to find RC counseling, where the point view is that those episodes 
of sobbing, shaking, etc. are evidence of profound healing at work, and now 
it's equally good to know that the vehicle moving the healing is kundalini, 
and that all the other strangenesses ( the excess horniness is almost 
unbearable!) are part of that, too.


thanks again everybody for sharing

Jenny

  

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Jenny Hill, research associate/editor--Directory of Texas Manufacturers
Bureau of Business Research, UT Austin, PO Box 7459, Austin TX 78713-7459
email: jenny.hillATNOSPAMmail.utexas.edu  512-475-7805 or 512-475-7807


[15]: From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Health problems 

About 5 years ago, I cleaned up my act and started exercizing and quit 
smoking. Never had a headache since. However, I started bleeding in between 
my menses and now my cycle has adjusted to the moon cycle. Full moon= menses. 
New moon= bleeding. My crown and brow chakras are also influenced (more 
active) by the moon cycle. I also had periods of uncontrollable weeping (I 
didn't even feel depressed). I also had one experience where I was taken in a 
lucid dream. All I can remember is looking at the sky and saying to myself: 
How curious, the sky is orange. And then I saw some triangle and I thought: 
Oh! a spaceship. The rest, I can't remember. Why did I think of a spaceship? 
But I woke up and never felt better in my life. It was like I just graduated 
one class and I was up for the next. Anyone else has something like that 
happening to him/her? 

THIS SHARING FEELS SOOOO GOOOOD!!!!
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com


[16]: From: Jai1008ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: itching, etc.

Try salt baths--or sea salt, epsom salt and baking soda  in combo for your
itching. Salt can change your charge pretty fast.


[17]: From: Jai1008ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Local contacts

Hey El--I worked for S EN in the late eighties. Is Christina Grof still
running It? J.Field


[18]: From: Mary Knapp <>
Subject: Re: electricity and teeth

Only this list would make me feel 'ok' about my effect on electronics and
electrical appliances.  My somehow favorite and yet worst manifestation of
the effects involved my garage door.  At first it just seemed like I was
careless and left it open sometimes.  Then it looked like ( to my
neighbors as well as me ) it just opened at will ... and it willed to do
so quite frequently!  Then we got to the point where anytime my nearest
neighbors opened their garage doors , mine opened too!!!

Now I don't mind being thought of as a little weird by my intimate
friends, but having the whole neighborhood exposed to this was
embarrassing to say the least.  This was happening at a time when I was
very sensitive to everyone else's emotions as well, so the symbolism was
not lost on me.  I never bothered to delve too deeply into the symbolism
of random openings.  For years all front entrances to my condo were hard
to open and this was, symbolically anyway, a pleasant change. 

Initially I changed the code on my garage door opener and that helped. 
Then the owners association decided to by us all new garage doors and I
took the opportunity to purchase a new opener at the same time.  It all
broke within a few days but got fixed immediately and has been fine for
about a month now.  My front door still opens from either side too. 

Light bulbs have been ok for a while now. I still have one computer that
doesn't work too well for me but does for others.  I had been thinking of
doing a web site and it's too old for that task, so I think it's helping
me decide to get a new one. I try to see these manifestations as messages
and when I get the message the problem clears up. It's more peaceful than
drawing other conclusions anyway.

My biggest problem has been my teeth.  I still smoke and think it holds
the energies down a bit but I know my body does not like the toxins.  Any
suggestions?

Mary


[19]: From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: electricity and teeth

I too experienced some effects on electrical appliances. It occurred at first 
when I had those entities in my house and I figured they were responsible. 
But after a medium cleaned my house, it continued and I think I'm responsible 
for those. It affected my house alarm system. I had it checked twice and they 
couldn't find the reason why it would set itself off. I also affected the 
gizmo that comes with cable tv. It went crazy several times. And when I got 
my laptop, I had to format the hard disk because it was kaput, like when a 
computer is exposed to a surcharge of static electricity. When the Gateway 
technician asked me if it was exposed to some static electricity, how could I 
tell him that I thought it came from me? 

As for smoking, I can't tell you why I stopped. I just know that since then I 
almost never got the flue, except for the time I experimented with the 
exchange of energies with a person suffering from the flue. No more headaches 
either. My friend who is also experiencing kundalini told me that the last 
time she was in Florida, there was a big thunderstorm and that she could feel 
each thunder "resonate" through her teeth and jaw. She doesn't smoke either, 
so my guess would be that your smoking is not to blame. I just think that 
when you're ready, you will stop on your own.

I smoked for 20 years and it was very difficult to stop. I had to use a 
program that lets you stop gradually. Quitting cold turkey was too traumatic 
for me. I also think that physical activity helps rid you body of the 
accumulated toxins. 

I wish I could help you more. 

>
>Only this list would make me feel 'ok' about my effect on electronics and
>electrical appliances.  My somehow favorite and yet worst manifestation of
>the effects involved my garage door.  At first it just seemed like I was
>careless and left it open sometimes.  Then it looked like ( to my
>neighbors as well as me ) it just opened at will ... and it willed to do
>so quite frequently!  Then we got to the point where anytime my nearest
>neighbors opened their garage doors , mine opened too!!!
>
>Now I don't mind being thought of as a little weird by my intimate
>friends, but having the whole neighborhood exposed to this was
>embarrassing to say the least.  This was happening at a time when I was
>very sensitive to everyone else's emotions as well, so the symbolism was
>not lost on me.  I never bothered to delve too deeply into the symbolism
>of random openings.  For years all front entrances to my condo were hard
>to open and this was, symbolically anyway, a pleasant change. 
>
>Initially I changed the code on my garage door opener and that helped. 
>Then the owners association decided to by us all new garage doors and I
>took the opportunity to purchase a new opener at the same time.  It all
>broke within a few days but got fixed immediately and has been fine for
>about a month now.  My front door still opens from either side too. 
>
>Light bulbs have been ok for a while now. I still have one computer that
>doesn't work too well for me but does for others.  I had been thinking of
>doing a web site and it's too old for that task, so I think it's helping
>me decide to get a new one. I try to see these manifestations as messages
>and when I get the message the problem clears up. It's more peaceful than
>drawing other conclusions anyway.
>
>My biggest problem has been my teeth.  I still smoke and think it holds
>the energies down a bit but I know my body does not like the toxins.  Any
>suggestions?
>Mary
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com